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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 4:28:03 PM
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Do you think this should be illegal?


A man has been arrested for shouting Nazi slogans at a rabbi visiting a former concentration camp in Austria, police said on Friday, amid concerns over rising anti-Semitism in the country. The 49-year-old suspect is accused of shouting "Heil Hitler" and making a Nazi salute at the rabbi in the town of Ebensee last week.

The rabbi was there with his grandson to visit a memorial commemorating the camp where his own father had been deported. The police said the man had admitted the charges, which also included shouting "Mein Volk, Mein Reich, mein Fuhrer", the motto of the Nazi regime.

Offences involving expressions of pro-Nazi sentiment are not uncommon in Austria, despite it having some of the world's strictest laws against such acts. Concerns over extremism have been brought to the fore by the entry of the far-right Freedom Party (FP) into the national government in December as a junior coalition partner.

Protests are expected outside a ball for student fraternities organised by the FP in Vienna's former imperial Hofburg palace. Vice-Chancellor and FP leader Heinz-Christian Strache said he would renounce "all forms of anti-Semitism" in his speech opening the ball.

Earlier this week prosecutors opened an inquiry after the weekly Falter magazine revealed a student fraternity had published a songbook containing virulently anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi lyrics. The FP's Udo Landbauer came under political pressure over the revelations as he had been deputy chair of the fraternity.

Landbauer, who is the chief candidate in a regional election on Sunday, denied all knowledge of the texts and said he had been a child when they were published.


Full Article: https://www.thelocal.at/20180127/austrian-arrested-after-shouting-nazi-slogans-at-rabbi
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Now this wouldn't be illegal in America.

Do you think free speech should include the right to be a complete ass to strangers or do you think it should solely refer to criticism of the government?
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JustMonika
01/27/18 4:29:30 PM
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You could probably charge him for public nuisance or terroristic threatening.
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Patchwork
01/27/18 4:30:08 PM
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It would be illegal in America. Disorderly conduct.
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TheGrindery
01/27/18 4:30:44 PM
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dolomedes posted...
i don't think it should be illegal to be a blatant ass.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 4:32:00 PM
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dolomedes posted...
i don't think it should be illegal to be a blatant ass but it also shouldn't be illegal for a blatant ass to get a beat-down

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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 4:32:24 PM
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dolomedes posted...
but it also shouldn't be illegal for a blatant ass to get a beat-down

Sigless user logic
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TheGrindery
01/27/18 4:32:48 PM
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It's amazing how many people think you should be able to assault someone over words when nobody made any threats.
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Blue_Inigo
01/27/18 4:32:50 PM
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Patchwork posted...
It would be illegal in America. Disorderly conduct.

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Prestoff
01/27/18 4:34:58 PM
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Male human being
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 4:43:47 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
It's amazing how many people think you should be able to assault someone over words when nobody made any threats.


Sigless user logic

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TheGrindery
01/27/18 4:44:47 PM
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Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 4:52:02 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face
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_Goggalor_
01/27/18 4:52:45 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face


Great, we'll start with you.
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TheGrindery
01/27/18 4:55:37 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

And then they get to think "I pissed him off enough for him to lose his mind and attack me. Successfully trolled!"

Actual strength would be not letting someone's opinion get under your skin. Shrug them off and move on with your day. Don't confuse not caring with pretending not to care.
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 4:56:12 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

That's the least successful way to change his or anyone else's mind. It just makes him look reasonable and you look unreasonable.

If you bring violence to a debate you lose the debate by default. No matter what is being discussed
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 4:59:33 PM
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dolomedes posted...
screaming at somebody is violent.

Sigless user logic

No it's not.
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TheGrindery
01/27/18 4:59:38 PM
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People that do things just for attention don't care if it's positive or negative. The right answer is no attention. It'll drive them crazy when they act outrageous and nobody even looks up.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:00:05 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

That's the least successful way to change his or anyone else's mind. It just makes him look reasonable and you look unreasonable.

If you bring violence to a debate you lose the debate by default. No matter what is being discussed


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.
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jumi
01/27/18 5:00:19 PM
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"Human being."

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TheGrindery
01/27/18 5:01:06 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

That's the least successful way to change his or anyone else's mind. It just makes him look reasonable and you look unreasonable.

If you bring violence to a debate you lose the debate by default. No matter what is being discussed


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.

This makes me wish the guy that did this was a Scottish.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:01:30 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

And then they get to think "I pissed him off enough for him to lose his mind and attack me. Successfully trolled!"

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You obviously never seen videos where real live trolls or bigot pos get punched in the face ...they never have a look of "successfully trolled"
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Prestoff
01/27/18 5:01:33 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
People that do things just for attention don't care if it's positive or negative. The right answer is no attention. It'll drive them crazy when they act outrageous and nobody even looks up.


This, sadly it will never happen because humans and animals in general are reactionary creatures.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:01:58 PM
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TheGrindery posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

That's the least successful way to change his or anyone else's mind. It just makes him look reasonable and you look unreasonable.

If you bring violence to a debate you lose the debate by default. No matter what is being discussed


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.

This makes me wish the guy that did this was a Scottish.


Because....
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 5:03:09 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.

So Wade Watts who single-handedly defeated an entire KKK chapter is unreasonable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW3RLnXmTY


Daryl Davis who has collected 200 KKK robes from ex-members and made hundreds of friends is unreasonable?

When you react with violence all you do is reinforce that people who oppose him are irrational, dumb and violent. And the people who share his views, all of whom raise ideas and talk to him like an equal, reinforce his views.

If you want to change minds and actually believe in a cause, the worst thing you can do is be a violent lunatic as that will cripple anything you stand for.
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TheGrindery
01/27/18 5:03:29 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
TheGrindery posted...
Maybe if he screamed it directly into his ear and caused him physical pain.

Also we aren't talking about a nazi. We're talking about a guy being an asshole to amuse himself.


And racist bigoted assholes should be dealt with by a swift punch in the face

That's the least successful way to change his or anyone else's mind. It just makes him look reasonable and you look unreasonable.

If you bring violence to a debate you lose the debate by default. No matter what is being discussed


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.

This makes me wish the guy that did this was a Scottish.


Because....

Why did I expect you to get that?
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:09:20 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...


Not a single person worth anything would think punching a coward racist in the face is unreasonable.

So Wade Watts who single-handedly defeated an entire KKK chapter is unreasonable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW3RLnXmTY


Daryl Davis who has collected 200 KKK robes from ex-members and made hundreds of friends is unreasonable?

When you react with violence all you do is reinforce that people who oppose him are irrational, dumb and violent. And the people who share his views, all of whom raise ideas and talk to him like an equal, reinforce his views.

If you want to change minds and actually believe in a cause, the worst thing you can do is be a violent lunatic as that will cripple anything you stand for.


Violence worked well to get rid of the original nazis
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 5:16:36 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...

Violence worked well to get rid of the original nazis

Well for a start you evaded the post.

For two it didn't. Violence created Nazis.

And for a third, that was time of war. Not people arguing in their day to day lives.

Sure when 5 million Germans with Machine guns go fire at Northern France no one will mind that you get involved ,or in your case shout at others to die for you.

But this is just discontented guys being asshats. And you empower them by being the inferior man.
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:19:54 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...

Violence worked well to get rid of the original nazis

Well for a start you evaded the post.

For two it didn't. Violence created Nazis.

And for a third, that was time of war. Not people arguing in their day to day lives.

Sure when 5 million Germans with Machine guns go fire at Northern France no one will mind that you get involved ,or in your case shout at others to die for you.

But this is just discontented guys being asshats. And you empower them by being the inferior man.


Idc about ending racism or people being bigots. I do care about personally shutting someone up that is shouting hateful bigoted shit to people for no reason. The fastest and easiest way to do that is a swift face punch
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Polycosm
01/27/18 5:22:30 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Male human being

RIP man arrested
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:24:45 PM
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dolomedes posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Idc about ending racism or people being bigots. I do care about personally shutting someone up that is shouting hateful bigoted shit to people for no reason. The fastest and easiest way to do that is a swift face punch

sounds good

the next time the dude decides it's fun to spew hate at strangers he can do so through the gap where he once had a tooth


Nah he probably won't make that same mistake twice. He'll just do it online
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 5:26:31 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...

Idc about ending racism
I do care about personally shutting someone up

And there's the problem
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KingCrabCake
01/27/18 5:37:54 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...

Idc about ending racism
I do care about personally shutting someone up

And there's the problem


I dont see a problem. Sorry buddy.
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Garioshi
01/27/18 5:39:10 PM
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male human being
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Eat More Beef
01/27/18 5:42:42 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...

Idc about ending racism
I do care about personally shutting someone up

And there's the problem


So you think trying to engage the person in a debate is going to change their mind?

They're being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. They deserve a punch in the mouth.

While yes, you can defend freedom of speech, to me, it doesn't go as far as allowing freedom of hate speech. He was clearly doing the latter and deserves all the crap that's gonna get thrown his way, be it a jail sentance or a knuckle sandwich.
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Garioshi
01/27/18 5:43:43 PM
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On a serious note: If you don't believe in free speech for the people you disagree with most, you don't believe in it at all.
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r4X0r
01/27/18 5:43:52 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
KingCrabCake posted...

Idc about ending racism
I do care about personally shutting someone up

And there's the problem


You don't get it. In a free country, people are allowed to have racist beliefs if they choose to do so. You want everyone to conform to your belief system, and THAT is the problem. You see people who have different opinions than you as a problem.
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Funkydog
01/27/18 5:44:09 PM
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Eat More Beef posted...
So you think trying to engage the person in a debate is going to change their mind?

I mean, many people can have their mind changed. Sure, not everyone can, but its been proven large numbers can be persuaded to drop their shitty views.
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 5:45:12 PM
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Eat More Beef posted...


So you think trying to engage the person in a debate is going to change their mind?


Worked for pretty much anyone who tried it

They're being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. They deserve a punch in the mouth.


Has never worked in recorded human history.

Problem is you don't actually care about racism or hatred or people suffering, you just want to "punish" people you don't like. And this is a scenario where you can justify doing that.

Hence why you intentionally ducked Wade Watts.
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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 5:50:41 PM
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dolomedes posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
So you think trying to engage the person in a debate is going to change their mind?

Worked for pretty much anyone who tried it

lol

your world must be cozy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NW3RLnXmTY

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UnfairRepresent
01/27/18 6:01:22 PM
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dolomedes posted...
bro i'm not watching

of course.

Hilarious that your argument for violence being greater than debate is to ignore everything the other side says when you know it is right.

That says it all there.
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