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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:05:16 PM
#51:


If we include details from the novelizations of the NT and EU info related to his origin story...

He preferred to use force powers. He was a talented duelist but his force powers far exceeded that. Him defeating the Jedi masters besides Windu was very much due to his skills, though obviously the novel made the fight slightly more detailed and over in what, 3 seconds? Once he defeated the Jedi, he wanted the symbol of hope they had destroyed. He even had all the kyber crystals in the empire's reach destroyed. That's why in RotJ, he (or was it Vader) comments that Luke built his own saber. That's a huge step in Jedi or sith growth, creating their own unique weapon. But Luke had to use a synthetic kyber crystal. The reason this is noteworthy is because naturalnatural ones create colors like blue and green. Yet synthetic ones create a red saber color. Luke had to painstakingly create a synthetic one himself and he managed to make it not red, something that symbolically mattered a lot to Luke. This takes place during the interlude from tesb and rotj. I'm pretty sure it was during the events of shadow of the empire.

But yeah. Emperor hated sabers, felt they were beneath him and doubled down in his hatred of them after windu melted his face.

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RebelElite791
01/27/18 1:17:50 PM
#52:


Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

In fact much of that is the direct opposite of canon
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:20:51 PM
#53:


RebelElite791 posted...
Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

Novelizations of the films themselves are canon, and given the context that they existed to fill in the blanks? It helps explain a lot.

And it is totally relevant. Now if you said "it's not canon and therefore not relevant" you'd maybe have been onto something
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RebelElite791
01/27/18 1:22:59 PM
#54:


gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

Novelizations of the films themselves are canon, and given the context that they existed to fill in the blanks? It helps explain a lot.

And it is totally relevant. Now if you said "it's not canon and therefore not relevant" you'd maybe have been onto something

Novelizations pre TFA (and only then when it doesnt contradict the movie) are not canon.

Synthetic crystals do not exist. There are plenty of kyber left in the galaxy. Kyber produce almost any color upon attuning to a Jedi. Sith bleed their crystals by forcing them to their will, hence the red, they are not synth
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:29:52 PM
#55:


RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

Novelizations of the films themselves are canon, and given the context that they existed to fill in the blanks? It helps explain a lot.

And it is totally relevant. Now if you said "it's not canon and therefore not relevant" you'd maybe have been onto something

Novelizations pre TFA (and only then when it doesnt contradict the movie) are not canon.

Synthetic crystals do not exist. There are plenty of kyber left in the galaxy. Kyber produce almost any color upon attuning to a Jedi. Sith bleed their crystals by forcing them to their will, hence the red, they are not synth


Novelizations help explain details that were originally intended by the director (Lucas), therefore taking note of it is extremely helpful. Especially since the blanket canon wipe of most everything destroys a LOT of details that helped make the universe make sense. If it isn't canon then most details (like the one this topic is about) become impossible to actually address because there's zero supplemental information with which to respond. Literally the answer is
"Because."
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RebelElite791
01/27/18 1:31:01 PM
#56:


You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.
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Tyranthraxus
01/27/18 1:31:56 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Literally the answer is "Because."

As of TPM that is the canon answer.

There was actually a meaning to the colors until Samuel L Jackson threw a fit about wanting to have a purple lightsaber.
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RebelElite791
01/27/18 1:34:44 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Literally the answer is "Because."

As of TPM that is the canon answer.

There was actually a meaning to the colors until Samuel L Jackson threw a fit about wanting to have a purple lightsaber.

No there wasn't. Any meaning was just EU bs.

They made Luke's saber green because it stood out better against a blue sky
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jumi
01/27/18 1:35:35 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

Novelizations of the films themselves are canon, and given the context that they existed to fill in the blanks? It helps explain a lot.

And it is totally relevant. Now if you said "it's not canon and therefore not relevant" you'd maybe have been onto something

Novelizations pre TFA (and only then when it doesnt contradict the movie) are not canon.

Synthetic crystals do not exist. There are plenty of kyber left in the galaxy. Kyber produce almost any color upon attuning to a Jedi. Sith bleed their crystals by forcing them to their will, hence the red, they are not synth


Novelizations help explain details that were originally intended by the director (Lucas), therefore taking note of it is extremely helpful. Especially since the blanket canon wipe of most everything destroys a LOT of details that helped make the universe make sense. If it isn't canon then most details (like the one this topic is about) become impossible to actually address because there's zero supplemental information with which to respond. Literally the answer is
"Because."


That is blatantly untrue. Why would he have made a scene where Shaak Ti dies in RotS, when she dies differently in the novel?
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:37:24 PM
#60:


RebelElite791 posted...
You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.

Read what I said again in both parts. I said novelizations are canon and provide supplemental details that the films failed to adequately provide. This was true of EU as well. I never retracted that point, I addressed your point so as to arrive at the "the answer is 'because' now" bit. That's not backpedaling. It's qualifying a point. You really shouldn't start an argument if you don't even understand that much
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:39:32 PM
#61:


jumi posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Literally none of that is canon or remotely relevant

Novelizations of the films themselves are canon, and given the context that they existed to fill in the blanks? It helps explain a lot.

And it is totally relevant. Now if you said "it's not canon and therefore not relevant" you'd maybe have been onto something

Novelizations pre TFA (and only then when it doesnt contradict the movie) are not canon.

Synthetic crystals do not exist. There are plenty of kyber left in the galaxy. Kyber produce almost any color upon attuning to a Jedi. Sith bleed their crystals by forcing them to their will, hence the red, they are not synth


Novelizations help explain details that were originally intended by the director (Lucas), therefore taking note of it is extremely helpful. Especially since the blanket canon wipe of most everything destroys a LOT of details that helped make the universe make sense. If it isn't canon then most details (like the one this topic is about) become impossible to actually address because there's zero supplemental information with which to respond. Literally the answer is
"Because."


That is blatantly untrue. Why would he have made a scene where Shaak Ti dies in RotS, when she dies differently in the novel?

Weren't there two scenes where she dies and both were deleted scenes?
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jumi
01/27/18 1:44:23 PM
#62:


The only scene I remember was the deleted scene where Grievous kills her onboard that ship in the beginning.

In the novel Anakin kills her at the Jedi Temple.
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:48:43 PM
#63:


jumi posted...
The only scene I remember was the deleted scene where Grievous kills her onboard that ship in the beginning.

In the novel Anakin kills her at the Jedi Temple.

Deleted scenes have never been canon, mismatches like that with the actual story happened with other instances
Also starkiller in TFU killed her

But current canon says wobbly wobbly order 69y
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RebelElite791
01/27/18 1:49:22 PM
#64:


gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.

Read what I said again in both parts. I said novelizations are canon and provide supplemental details that the films failed to adequately provide. This was true of EU as well. I never retracted that point, I addressed your point so as to arrive at the "the answer is 'because' now" bit. That's not backpedaling. It's qualifying a point. You really shouldn't start an argument if you don't even understand that much

LOL I guarantee I know far more about Star Wars than you and probably anyone on this board. They aren't canon. This. Is. A. Fact.
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 1:55:35 PM
#65:


RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.

Read what I said again in both parts. I said novelizations are canon and provide supplemental details that the films failed to adequately provide. This was true of EU as well. I never retracted that point, I addressed your point so as to arrive at the "the answer is 'because' now" bit. That's not backpedaling. It's qualifying a point. You really shouldn't start an argument if you don't even understand that much

LOL I guarantee I know far more about Star Wars than you and probably anyone on this board. They aren't canon. This. Is. A. Fact.


*waits for proof that verifies this claim*
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scar the 1
01/27/18 1:56:24 PM
#66:


RebelElite791 posted...
Novelizations pre TFA (and only then when it doesnt contradict the movie)

Is there an official statement about this? I mean about how the TFA novelization is canon except for when it contradicts the movie.
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hyperpsycho
01/27/18 2:02:43 PM
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I hope the Holiday Special is still canon.
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 2:04:28 PM
#68:


hyperpsycho posted...
I hope the Holiday Special is still canon.

Or the ewok movie. <.<
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RebelElite791
01/27/18 2:05:58 PM
#69:


gunplagirl posted...
*waits for proof that verifies this claim*

Everything pre-2014 with the exceptions of the movies, Son of Dathomir, and the TCW movie and series were declared non-canon when Disney bought LFL

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon
As of April 25, 2014, the only previously published materials that are considered canon are the six Star Wars films, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, and the stand-alone Dark Horse Comics arc Star Wars: Darth MaulSon of Dathomir. Meanwhile, the Expanded Universe is no longer considered canon and was re-termed as the "Legends" brand. Most Star Wars material released after April 25, 2014with some exceptionsis composed in collaboration with the Lucasfilm Story Group, making it part of the "new canon."

This is a basic fucking fact of canon that literally everyone who knows anything about Star Wars is aware of. Stick to a topic that you know even the slightest bit about please.

scar the 1 posted...
Is there an official statement about this? I mean about how the TFA novelization is canon except for when it contradicts the movie.

They were said to be canon(ish), but when people pointed out that Rey and Poe meet in the TFA novelization, and asked Pablo how that works when they meet in TLJ, he said defer to the movie, because the novelizations are written often before the movie comes out and the scene of them meeting was cut from TFA but made it to the book.
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glitteringfairy
01/27/18 2:13:27 PM
#70:


gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.

Read what I said again in both parts. I said novelizations are canon and provide supplemental details that the films failed to adequately provide. This was true of EU as well. I never retracted that point, I addressed your point so as to arrive at the "the answer is 'because' now" bit. That's not backpedaling. It's qualifying a point. You really shouldn't start an argument if you don't even understand that much

LOL I guarantee I know far more about Star Wars than you and probably anyone on this board. They aren't canon. This. Is. A. Fact.


*waits for proof that verifies this claim*

Well I don't think he knows more than me but he certainly knows more than most of CE including you. I'm a star wars fanatic, I have an entire room in my house dedicated to it and I rarely find any arguments against rebels star wars knowledge
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 2:17:55 PM
#71:


glitteringfairy posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
You just said they were canon. They aren't. Stop backpedaling.

And no, not everything in the novelizations was per Lucas anyways.

Read what I said again in both parts. I said novelizations are canon and provide supplemental details that the films failed to adequately provide. This was true of EU as well. I never retracted that point, I addressed your point so as to arrive at the "the answer is 'because' now" bit. That's not backpedaling. It's qualifying a point. You really shouldn't start an argument if you don't even understand that much

LOL I guarantee I know far more about Star Wars than you and probably anyone on this board. They aren't canon. This. Is. A. Fact.


*waits for proof that verifies this claim*

Well I don't think he knows more than me but he certainly knows more than most of CE including you. I'm a star wars fanatic, I have an entire room in my house dedicated to it and I rarely find any arguments against rebels star wars knowledge

How many Jawa with vinyl capes in original packaging do you have?

I never actually expect a number other than 0 but tbh I want to see a pic of one that isn't just some toy collection archive pic.
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scar the 1
01/27/18 2:19:08 PM
#72:


RebelElite791 posted...
They were said to be canon(ish), but when people pointed out that Rey and Poe meet in the TFA novelization, and asked Pablo how that works when they meet in TLJ, he said defer to the movie, because the novelizations are written often before the movie comes out and the scene of them meeting was cut from TFA but made it to the book.

Alright, so they can't really be said to be canon. There are tons of small details in the novelization that contradict or are different from the movie, after all.
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 2:23:05 PM
#73:


RebelElite791 posted...


I meant that you know more than everyone on ce.
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Funbazooka
01/27/18 2:44:48 PM
#74:


I've grown to enjoy some outrageous bits of Palpatine's dueling. His duel with Yoda still belongs in the trash though.

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ViewtifulGrave
01/27/18 2:48:56 PM
#75:


Lol at all the people talking out of their ass and/or using out dated information.
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kuwab0
01/27/18 3:32:36 PM
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gunplagirl
01/27/18 9:11:08 PM
#77:


kuwab0 posted...
An Online Class

You think that scam colleges for the force existed a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away?

"Hut University is a scam!"
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OrangeCrush980
01/28/18 5:21:54 AM
#78:


Expanded Universe is still the real canon. Episodes 7 and 8 are bad fanfiction.
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au_gold
01/28/18 5:48:02 AM
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7 was good at least. 8 was a mess.
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dave_is_slick
01/28/18 6:03:21 AM
#80:


RebelElite791 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Literally the answer is "Because."

As of TPM that is the canon answer.

There was actually a meaning to the colors until Samuel L Jackson threw a fit about wanting to have a purple lightsaber.

No there wasn't. Any meaning was just EU bs.

They made Luke's saber green because it stood out better against a blue sky

No, I would've bet my life I've seen you bitch about literally the exact opposite before.
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CarlGrimes
01/28/18 6:20:15 AM
#81:


BruceWayneJr posted...
Ever wonder why Grievous uses lightsabers? He certainly isn't a Jedi or a Sith.

He was an avid collector of lighsabers.
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bulletproofvita
01/28/18 6:28:16 AM
#82:


Steve Nick posted...
au_gold posted...
BruceWayneJr posted...
Ever wonder why Grievous uses lightsabers? He certainly isn't a Jedi or a Sith.

Dooku trained him.


Who would win? One four armed mechanical monster with four light sabers, or one Obi-boi?

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