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UnfairRepresent
01/26/18 1:41:14 PM
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U.S. President Donald Trump made a rare apology on Friday over his decision to retweet anti-Muslim videos posted by a British far-right group, a move which strained tensions with London.

"If you're telling me they're horrible racist people, I would certainly apologise if you'd like me to do that," he told ITV's Good Morning Britain, referring to the group Britain First. Trump sparked outrage in Britain in November with the retweet and drew a public rebuke from Prime Minister Theresa May, to which he replied angrily, souring trans-Atlantic ties.

However, the two leaders met in Davos on Thursday where they agreed to press ahead with Trump's long-planned visit to Britain later this year, and the president was keen to downplay talk of a rift.

"The real me is someone who loves Britain, loves the UK, I love Scotland; very special people and a very special place," he said. "I don't want to cause any difficulty for your country."

Trump retweeted, in quick succession, three videos characterised as showing Islamist violence, at least one of which was found to be misleading. They were posted by Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain First who was in 2016 convicted of religiously aggravated harassment of a Muslim woman.

In the interview, presenter Piers Morgan said the president caused "huge anxiety and anger in my country, because Britain First is basically a bunch of racists, fascists".

"Of course I didn't know that," Trump responded, I know nothing about them, I know nothing about them today, other than I read a little bit... Certainly I wasn't endorsing anybody. I don't want to be involved with people (like that)," he said, adding: "I am the least racist person that anybody is going to meet.

When you do those retweets they can cause problems because you never know who's doing it to start off with."

But he was less apologetic about tweeting the content of the videos, saying he believed they depicted "radical Islamic terror".

"Radical Islamic terror, whether you like talking about it or not, you look at what's going on in the UK, you look at what's going on all over the world," he said. "It was done because I am a big believer in fighting radical Islamic terror."

May said at the time that Trump was "wrong" to send out the tweets, further straining ties after a series of spats between the president and London mayor Sadiq Khan over terrorism.

Trump hit back at May on Twitter, saying: "Don't focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!"

During their meeting on Thursday, their first since the row, Trump turned to May, saying: "We actually have a very good relationship although a lot of people think we don't. He said in the interview: "I support her, I support a lot of what she does and I support you militarily very much. We will come to your defence should anything happen."

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UnfairRepresent
01/26/18 1:41:33 PM
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May was the first foreign leader to visit Trump following his inauguration in January last year, where she invited him to make a state visit to Britain, hosted by Queen Elizabeth II. Britain has long touted its "special relationship" with the United States, and is also desperate for a trade deal as it leaves the European Union.

The trip has been delayed, however, and in Trump recently pulled out of a plan to open the new US embassy in London, a move British officials blamed on threats of mass protests.

Trump said "I don't care" about the potential protesters, adding: "I think a lot of the people in your country like what I stand for, I do stand for tough borders."

Both leaders agreed on Thursday to arrange a visit for later this year, although the White House said it would be a "working visit", suggesting it may not be the pomp-filled trip initially proposed.


Full Article: https://japantoday.com/category/world/Trump-apologizes-for-retweeting-videos-of-far-right-British-group

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IMO it takes a real man to apologize
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frozenshock
01/26/18 1:42:43 PM
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If Trump was a matrix he would have nontrivial solutions.
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ChainedRedone
01/26/18 1:43:11 PM
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"I'm the least racist person you'll meet"

Yeah you and admiral are the peast racist people ever.
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Foppe
01/26/18 1:43:51 PM
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A real man should have apologied much earlier than two months.
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UnfairRepresent
01/26/18 1:43:58 PM
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peast racist people ever.

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Funkydog
01/26/18 1:48:40 PM
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I mean, it sounds like a half apology really.

Isn't sorry he tweeted out fake news still and evidently only just learnt (despite all the news coverage and almost certainty people telling him) that the group was a bunch of racists.
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Kavatar
01/26/18 2:19:46 PM
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Actually he apologized only that he retweeted a racist group, not for retweeting the videos themselves.
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku
01/26/18 2:20:05 PM
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I don't see a formal apology in there.
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sktgamer_13dude
01/26/18 2:21:39 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Almost kinda apologizes for it

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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:22:12 PM
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This is why Trump never apologizes. At this point, short of literally getting on his hands and knees and begging for forgiveness, nobody will be happy with the level of his apology, so he may as well say "fuck it" and just move on.
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obeseexplosive
01/26/18 2:22:57 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"If you're telling me they're horrible racist people, I would certainly apologise if you'd like me to do that,"

*blinks*
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MC_BatCommander
01/26/18 2:23:36 PM
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obeseexplosive posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
"If you're telling me they're horrible racist people, I would certainly apologise if you'd like me to do that,"

*blinks*


That's like the most non-apology apology I've ever seen.
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UnfairRepresent
01/26/18 2:24:43 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
This is why Trump never apologizes.

Yeah this really goes a long way to explaining why a lot of people don't apologize.

Guys who love to be outraged refuse to "accept" it because he hasn't "apologized correctly"

It's crazy
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Axiom
01/26/18 2:25:35 PM
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Expected half-assed apology got half-assed apology
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sktgamer_13dude
01/26/18 2:29:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
This is why Trump never apologizes. At this point, short of literally getting on his hands and knees and begging for forgiveness, nobody will be happy with the level of his apology, so he may as well say "fuck it" and just move on.

I came into the topic to be like wow good for him, nice move Trump until I read what he actually said.

If he had even just said sorry for the tweet guys I would have posted what I said above. But he basically was like I mean if you want me to apologize cause theyre apparently racist, I guess. I mean, Im not racist over here.
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Funkydog
01/26/18 2:30:32 PM
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Nah, if Trump actually apologised, I would give it to him.

But this isn't even a half apology and he won't even back down on sharing actual fake news either.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:37:01 PM
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I mean, he basically said "sorry for retweeting a hate group. I don't want to signal boost them or give your country trouble and I didn't know any better". Sure, he also made sure to point out that he's "not racist" and that he did it because he thinks radical islamic terror is still a real problem, but the apology was in there.

Like, if I splice out the self-centered crap, it turns into this:
"If you're telling me they're horrible racist people, I would certainly apologise. I don't want to cause any difficulty for your country. I know nothing about them... Certainly I wasn't endorsing anybody. I don't want to be involved with people (like that),"

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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:40:39 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
I mean, he basically said "sorry for retweeting a hate group. I don't want to signal boost them or give your country trouble and I didn't know any better". Sure, he also made sure to point out that he's "not racist" and that he did it because he thinks radical islamic terror is still a real problem, but the apology was in there.

Like, if I splice out the self-centered crap, it turns into this:
"If you're telling me they're horrible racist people, I would certainly apologise. I don't want to cause any difficulty for your country. I know nothing about them... Certainly I wasn't endorsing anybody. I don't want to be involved with people (like that),"

So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.
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Kazi1212
01/26/18 2:42:00 PM
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Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:42:22 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:43:29 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:44:07 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.

Poe's Law is hitting this post super fucking hard right now.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:44:34 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.

See, you agree that Trump is acting like a child


No, I'm saying that when it comes to Trump, people seem to have completely forgotten how you're supposed to act when you want something from someone. What I said above is true of children as much as adults. If you're a dick to another adult, expecting them to treat you better after that is stupid.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:46:04 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.

See, you agree that Trump is acting like a child


No, I'm saying that when it comes to Trump, people seem to have completely forgotten how you're supposed to act when you want something from someone. What I said above is true of children as much as adults. If you're a dick to another adult, expecting them to treat you better after that is stupid.

By the time you're Trump's age, and the president, you're expected to know how to apologize. No, Trump doesn't deserve credit because he's finally figured out how to act like a 4 year old who's forced to issue an apology. The entire world doesn't need to grow up, just one man.
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Kazi1212
01/26/18 2:46:50 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things
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lubmelubyou
01/26/18 2:47:56 PM
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He should never have apologised. He did nothing wrong.

It doesn't matter if you retweet a message from a racist group, as long as that message is factually correct. The pictures were legit.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:48:14 PM
#33:


Kazi1212 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things

God fucking forbid we hold the president of the United States to standards higher than a bunch of terrorists.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:48:24 PM
#34:


A_Good_Boy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.

See, you agree that Trump is acting like a child


No, I'm saying that when it comes to Trump, people seem to have completely forgotten how you're supposed to act when you want something from someone. What I said above is true of children as much as adults. If you're a dick to another adult, expecting them to treat you better after that is stupid.

By the time you're Trump's age, and the president, you're expected to know how to apologize. No, Trump doesn't deserve credit because he's finally figured out how to act like a 4 year old who's forced to issue an apology. The entire world doesn't need to grow up, just one man.


*shrugs* fine, but then don't act shocked if he never apologizes again. You can't change Trump, but you can certainly work around how he is as a person if you want more or less of something from him. Choosing to be rigid rather than flexible simply because you don't like him is a fine choice, but it also means you can't expect his behavior to change.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:50:25 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
So yeah, basically if you butcher what Trump actually says and rearrange words so they sound like something someone else said, then yeah Trump issued an apology.


This is Trump, the man who never apologizes. On this, the rare occasion where he steps WAY out of his comfort zone to actually say sorry, what do you think will happen if he gets universally panned for how he phrased it? Do you think he'll start apologizing more, or less? This is kindergarten stuff... encourage good behavior if you want more of it.

See, you agree that Trump is acting like a child


No, I'm saying that when it comes to Trump, people seem to have completely forgotten how you're supposed to act when you want something from someone. What I said above is true of children as much as adults. If you're a dick to another adult, expecting them to treat you better after that is stupid.

By the time you're Trump's age, and the president, you're expected to know how to apologize. No, Trump doesn't deserve credit because he's finally figured out how to act like a 4 year old who's forced to issue an apology. The entire world doesn't need to grow up, just one man.


*shrugs* fine, but then don't act shocked if he never apologizes again. You can't change Trump, but you can certainly work around how he is as a person if you want more or less of something from him. Choosing to be rigid rather than flexible simply because you don't like him is a fine choice, but it also means you can't expect his behavior to change.

You're literally condoning that the world bends over and regards Trump as if he was a toddler, and you don't see anything concerning about that. Just lol
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Funkydog
01/26/18 2:51:19 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things

One of them at least was entirely fake news and wasn't anything the group of idiots claimed.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:52:09 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
You're literally condoning that the world bends over and regards Trump as if he was a toddler, and you don't see anything concerning about that. Just lol


I'm not condoning his behavior. I'm explaining it, and explaining how you deal with it. People seem stunningly unable to understand the difference between those things. Reality is reality, and you can either work around it, or throw a bitch fit because it isn't the way you want. I prefer the former.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 2:54:55 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
You're literally condoning that the world bends over and regards Trump as if he was a toddler, and you don't see anything concerning about that. Just lol


I'm not condoning his behavior. I'm explaining it, and explaining how you deal with it. People seem stunningly unable to understand the difference between those things. Reality is reality, and you can either work around it, or throw a bitch fit because it isn't the way you want. I prefer the former.

The reality is you're dying on the hill of treating Trump like a toddler. Idk man, you can go ahead and do that if you want. Enjoy your last stand.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 2:55:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
You're literally condoning that the world bends over and regards Trump as if he was a toddler, and you don't see anything concerning about that. Just lol


I'm not condoning his behavior. I'm explaining it, and explaining how you deal with it. People seem stunningly unable to understand the difference between those things. Reality is reality, and you can either work around it, or throw a bitch fit because it isn't the way you want. I prefer the former.

The reality is you're dying on the hill of treating Trump like a toddler. Idk man, you can go ahead and do that if you want. Enjoy your last stand.


I see you prefer the latter.
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Kazi1212
01/26/18 2:58:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things

God fucking forbid we hold the president of the United States to standards higher than a bunch of terrorists.


Sure, lets call the president a racist before we call actual extremist racists racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, we should hold the president to higher standards of it after all, makes perfect sense.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 3:02:01 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
And now youre blaming Trumps childish behavior on CE


Again: I'm explaining how you deal with it, because you can't change the person only how you deal with them. I'm also not defending his behavior, nor condoning it. You seem to be the one stuck on this idea that what I'm suggesting is a defending him, rather than telling you how to work around him.

But again, I prefer the practical approach to dealing with reality, rather than going "lol he's a child" and then getting angry when he continues to do things I don't like.
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A_Good_Boy
01/26/18 3:02:23 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things

God fucking forbid we hold the president of the United States to standards higher than a bunch of terrorists.


Sure, lets call the president a racist before we call actual extremist racists racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, we should hold the president to higher standards of it after all, makes perfect sense.

There's mutual exclusivity here that I'm just not seeing.
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Kazi1212
01/26/18 3:04:14 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Wait, is he saying if the public said those people in the video are racists that he would apologize?the people in the video were celebrating 9/11 right?


No, he's saying if the public believes the people he retweeted are racists he would apologize. He actually doubled down on why it was important to share the videos themselves.


I dont see the issue with that. Those people on the video were racist anyway right? Werent they celebrating a terrorist attack or something. It doesnt seem unreasonable of Trump to get the public to call those people racists when Trump himself gets labeled with the racist label for far more inoccous things

God fucking forbid we hold the president of the United States to standards higher than a bunch of terrorists.


Sure, lets call the president a racist before we call actual extremist racists racist. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, we should hold the president to higher standards of it after all, makes perfect sense.

There's mutual exclusivity here that I'm just not seeing.


Precisely. Which why the post I quoted from makes no sense. As if we cant do both at the same time
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TheVipaGTS
01/26/18 3:10:48 PM
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If youd like me to do that

Yea some apology.
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s0nicfan
01/26/18 3:20:39 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
s0nicfan posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
And now youre blaming Trumps childish behavior on CE


Again: I'm explaining how you deal with it, because you can't change the person only how you deal with them. I'm also not defending his behavior, nor condoning it. You seem to be the one stuck on this idea that what I'm suggesting is a defending him, rather than telling you how to work around him.

But again, I prefer the practical approach to dealing with reality, rather than going "lol he's a child" and then getting angry when he continues to do things I don't like.

EDIT: But I get what you're trying to do. Since I support some of Trump's policies, I am therefore a "trump cultist" that has full faith in everything he does, and you desperately want some kind of "gotcha" moment where you reveal the grand truth of the fact that he's not infallible to me, because for some reason you think... what? This justifies all your political opinions or something? I dunno.

We dont work with or around the president at all. We comment on a message board. We are not responsible for his behavior. He has no idea what were saying about him. Youre aware of that, right?

But please keep telling us how laughing at him for apologizing like a schoolboy is going to affect his behavior. Its the funniest joke on CE right now.


Nah, it's pretty clear you can't or don't want to extrapolate how you're reacting in this specific instance to a larger trend of how you treat others and how to get what you want out of them through basic behavioral psychology. If you think the points I'm making are literally restricted to dealing with only Trump or that the way people are acting here doesn't at all reflect how they act in real life then there's really no point. You seem fixated on thinking I'm trying to defend him rather than simply pointing out how the way you respond to this kind of behavior alters future behavior in others. If you want to get more out of life, and get better results from dealing with other people, consider following my advice. If not, that's fine too.
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01/26/18 3:22:57 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
how to get what you want out of them through basic behavioral psychology


How's that?
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