Current Events > CA proposes bill that would impose a $1,000 fine or jail for plastic straw use

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I don't see the problem with it. They can easily other non-plastic straws, reusable straws, or just wait until a customer requests a straw.

The_Juice_ posted...

You always hear about SJWs but I'm convinced there are people who just look up California news specifically to find stuff to be upset about, especially with things that don't affect them

This x1000
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This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.
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real talk tho people who drink water with a straw need to be publicly shamed
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meestermj posted...

This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.

It doesn't even go that far. They can offer straws by default, if they aren't made of plastic, or they are reusable.

meestermj posted...

This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.

Can't tell that to TC
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Butterfiles posted...

real talk tho people who drink water with a straw need to be publicly shamed

Too bad
http://www.thisisfriendship.com/work/worlds-longest-crazy-straw/

Twin3Turbo posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Straws are more sanitary than slathering your lips on a cup that countless other people have slobbered on before you.

I have never understood this. I have met so many people that, when we go to a restaurant, will actively avoid sipping on the rim of a cup because "other people have sipped on it"

Yet I'll bring up that they have no problem using forks and spoons that other people ate off of and to this day I have yet to actually get a good response as to why one bothers them more than the other.

People are stupid and will come up with anything to defend their actions.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Butterfiles posted...

real talk tho people who drink water with a straw need to be publicly shamed

Too bad
http://www.thisisfriendship.com/work/worlds-longest-crazy-straw/

Jesus Christ you'd be sucking so much air with that
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How do you enforce such law? Can't they make biodegradable straws, or something?
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Sami1000 posted...

How do you enforce such law? Can't they make biodegradable straws, or something?

They already have some.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Sami1000 posted...

How do you enforce such law? Can't they make biodegradable straws, or something?

They already have some.

...and reusable stainless steel straws.

Bishop9800 posted...

meestermj posted...

This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.

Can't tell that to TC

Literally says that in the OP. You should really start reading topics before you reply, bishop.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Straws are more sanitary than slathering your lips on a cup that countless other people have slobbered on before you.

I have never understood this. I have met so many people that, when we go to a restaurant, will actively avoid sipping on the rim of a cup because "other people have sipped on it"

Yet I'll bring up that they have no problem using forks and spoons that other people ate off of and to this day I have yet to actually get a good response as to why one bothers them more than the other.

Plastic cups are more porous than metal utensils, and 'casual dining' restaurants don't seem to keen on using glass for some reason.

The other side of that, of course, is the stigma of asking for a straw at a "classy" restaurant.

The Admiral posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

meestermj posted...

This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.

Can't tell that to TC

Literally says that in the OP. You should really start reading topics before you reply, bishop.

Hello Kettle, this is Pot. You're black.

And if that's the case, why are you bitching about it? What's the problem?
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The_Juice_ posted...

You always hear about SJWs but I'm convinced there are people who just look up California news specifically to find stuff to be upset about, especially with things that don't affect them

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joestarrr posted...

The_Juice_ posted...

You always hear about SJWs but I'm convinced there are people who just look up California news specifically to find stuff to be upset about, especially with things that don't affect them

Case in point, TC
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Good. Maybe the rest of America should follow suit. You know China stopped accepting most of our waste at the beginning of January right? Where do you think that's gonna go?
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So, ban all straws cuz turtles?

Derpifornia ftw.
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i thought this was about drugs and was going to ask if there is a fine for dollar bills?
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iron jojo posted...

Good. Maybe the rest of America should follow suit. You know China stopped accepting most of our waste at the beginning of January right? Where do you think that's gonna go?

China, after they realize their economy can't stand without it.
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darkjedilink posted...

iron jojo posted...

Good. Maybe the rest of America should follow suit. You know China stopped accepting most of our waste at the beginning of January right? Where do you think that's gonna go?

China, after they realize their economy can't stand without it.

Lol
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I'm all for using less plastic but it's completely unrealistic to impose a regulation like this without an existing infrastructure to support that regulation.

For example, if we banned petrol cars and said you must all have hydrogen fuel cell cars or 100% electric then without easy access to hydrogen fuel the way there's a petrol station on every corner you're implementing a dumb law.

now if straws made from resin were as common as plastic ones are, then sure, go ahead and ban the plastic ones.
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good, i fucking hate it when people give me straws at restaurants, especially if they're already opened. it's such a fucking waste.

if someone asks for it, fine
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meestermj posted...

This law doesn't ban straws. It bans restaurants from providing straws by default, but they can still give people straws if they ask for them.

Im sorry sir, but our restaurant had to stop ordering straws last month when we got a $1,000 fine because one of our servers forgot. Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.
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C7D posted...

Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

Straw vending machines.

Questionmarktarius posted...

C7D posted...

Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

Straw vending machines.

I would think voluntarily going to get your own straw counts as asking for them.

the issue is servers who just stick straws in drinks before they even get to your table.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

C7D posted...

Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

Straw vending machines.

I would think voluntarily going to get your own straw counts as asking for them.

the issue is servers who just stick straws in drinks before they even get to your table.

...i wonder how this affects the drive-thru.
The text of the bill suggests that it applies to the outside too, if there's publicly-accessible tables anywhere on the premises.

darkjedilink posted...

So, ban all straws cuz turtles?

Derpifornia ftw.

What are you even on about? Straws aren't being banned.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

C7D posted...

Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

Straw vending machines.

I would think voluntarily going to get your own straw counts as asking for them.

the issue is servers who just stick straws in drinks before they even get to your table.

Thus, turning your favorite sit down restaurant into a McDonalds. Ive never personally had that happen. Typically, there is either one laying on the table when I get to the restaurant, or I am asked if I want one.
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Oh man who would have guessed the topic title would be complete bullshit????

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Oh man who would have guessed the topic title would be complete bullshit????

Look at who made it.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Oh man who would have guessed the topic title would be complete bullshit????

People like you and bishop would didn't read the OP.
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The Admiral posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Oh man who would have guessed the topic title would be complete bullshit????

People like you and bishop would didn't read the OP.

He didn't say OP, he said Topic Title. You know, the shit that's misleading. Learn to read.
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Title: People will be JAILED for straw use
Post: Literally everyone is free to use straws
Admiral: Why am I always warned?!?!?!?!

Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

the cost is so negligibly cheap that it's pointless.

there is also a cost savings in not serving water unless it's asked for, both because you save water and second because you won't have to wash a second cup if they ask for soda or beer but everyone still gives out water anyway.
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C7D posted...

Im sorry sir, but our restaurant had to stop ordering straws last month when we got a $1,000 fine because one of our servers forgot. Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

The bill hasn't even been passed
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Antifar posted...

C7D posted...

Im sorry sir, but our restaurant had to stop ordering straws last month when we got a $1,000 fine because one of our servers forgot. Lets not pretend that there is any other expected outcome.

The bill hasn't even been passed

My tongue in cheek remark did not specify a time frame did it?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

the cost is so negligibly cheap that it's pointless.

there is also a cost savings in not serving water unless it's asked for, both because you save water and second because you won't have to wash a second cup if they ask for soda or beer but everyone still gives out water anyway.

You think it would matter? There's stories about an old bigwig at Marvel comics so cheap he tried to keep people from needlessly tossing out paper clips. It's not a large savings for sit down restaurants, but every bit helps, and it could do rather well for take out fast food.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Or here's an idea. Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

the cost is so negligibly cheap that it's pointless.

there is also a cost savings in not serving water unless it's asked for, both because you save water and second because you won't have to wash a second cup if they ask for soda or beer but everyone still gives out water anyway.

You think it would matter? There's stories about an old bigwig at Marvel comics so cheap he tried to keep people from needlessly tossing out paper clips. It's not a large savings for sit down restaurants, but every bit helps, and it could do rather well for take out fast food.

I've heard of companies being aware of/controlling the amount of things like napkins and ketchup packets that they give to customers in the name of cost savings. I'm not really sure why it would be any different for straws to be honest
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Sounds like a step in the right direction tbh
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Point out there's a cost savings in not offering straws (or other incidental items) to people that don't want them and watch money grubbing businesses do it of their own free will without getting the law involved.

This suggests these businesses aren't smart enough to realize this currently. I don't buy that.
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Restaurants sell a service/experience, not just food. The profits from a repeat customer dwarf the cost of straws, which is why they offer free amenities like that.
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lol liherals if you threw the straw in the recycle bin then the the recycling company would bitch at you for not cleaning the straw before throwing it away

The_Doge posted...

What will McDonalds do tho
Very wonder

Dine in places. And it doesn't say you can't have a straw just that you have to request it. I never use a straw anyways but if you want one all you have to do is ask the server and they'll give you one. Not seeing the big deal with this.
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s0nicfan posted...

Restaurants sell a service/experience, not just food. The profits from a repeat customer dwarf the cost of straws, which is why they offer free amenities like that.

I doubt very many customers would be lost if restaurants change their process from immediately giving a straw to "would you like a straw with that" TBH

Especially if basically everyone has to do it.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Restaurants sell a service/experience, not just food. The profits from a repeat customer dwarf the cost of straws, which is why they offer free amenities like that.

I doubt very many customers would be lost if restaurants change their process from immediately giving a straw to "would you like a straw with that" TBH

Especially if basically everyone has to do it.

I was responding more to the guy saying greedy companies would eliminate straws entirely to serve their bottom line.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims

Doesn't really apply here, this isn't really for the benefit of the people who would affected by the law. That shit goes into the ocean and into landfills, not into their back yards.
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