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Garioshi
01/23/18 11:16:26 PM
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Every single character is exactly the same except for where they start on the grid
You have a fourth character slot but only when a guest shows up
You move so damn slow in these gigantic areas and the game has more dead ends than I think I've ever seen in any other game
Battle system is boring and takes way too long for how many enemies the overworld is filled with
Story is bland and uninteresting

literally the only thing the game has going for it is balthier
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SGT_Conti
01/23/18 11:17:22 PM
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I feel like Zodiac Age fixes most of these complaints.
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SwayM
01/23/18 11:18:34 PM
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12 is so fucking underrated its hilarious

Dudes sleeping on an absolute banger.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 11:19:27 PM
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SGT_Conti posted...
I feel like Zodiac Age fixes most of these complaints.

and it only took them 11 years
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creativerealms
01/23/18 11:20:13 PM
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Because there is this really good story going on but you are stuck in a side story of the actual plot.
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The_Freecs
01/23/18 11:21:07 PM
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SwayM posted...
12 is so fucking underrated its hilarious

Dudes sleeping on an absolute banger.


FFXII sucks. It literally takes the worst part of most MMOs (the battle system) and puts in a single player game.
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Nightmare_Luna
01/23/18 11:21:30 PM
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Garioshi posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
I feel like Zodiac Age fixes most of these complaints.

and it only took them 11 years

IZJS came out aug 2007

troll harder please
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SavenForever
01/23/18 11:23:05 PM
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It was? I thought it was a great game.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 11:24:30 PM
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Nightmare_Luna posted...
Garioshi posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
I feel like Zodiac Age fixes most of these complaints.

and it only took them 11 years

IZJS came out aug 2007

troll harder please

he was specifically referring to zodiac age but i get what you mean
still, vanilla ffxii (the only version i've played) is a tedious mess
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NES4EVER
01/23/18 11:44:54 PM
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I wanted to like it... I really did.

Unfortunately to me it just felt like a mmorpg without the multiplayer online
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I Like Toast
01/23/18 11:48:50 PM
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because it's even more autoplay than FFXIII but with less flash/substance. at least paradgim shifting gave you something to do.

and it had that bullshit missable if you opened a jar too early. Plus it was the first main numbered FF that didn't create its own new world and just piggy backed on tactics.
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Garioshi
01/23/18 11:53:52 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
because it's even more autoplay than FFXIII but with less flash/substance. at least paradgim shifting gave you something to do.

and it had that bullshit missable if you opened a jar too early. Plus it was the first main numbered FF that didn't create its own new world and just piggy backed on tactics.

at least we got tactics advance 2 out of it?
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TrevorBlack79
01/23/18 11:57:46 PM
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SwayM posted...
12 is so fucking overrated its hilarious


Fixed both of your errors there.
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Bad_Mojo
01/24/18 12:04:38 AM
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At first I didn't really like 12, but then I kind of grew to love it. However, I went back to play it again recently and I thought it was terrible all over again, and didn't put the time in to see if I could end up enjoying it again.
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Syntheticon
01/24/18 12:10:58 AM
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Garioshi posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
I feel like Zodiac Age fixes most of these complaints.

and it only took them 11 years

The Japanese version, International Zodiac was released in 2007 with the stricter job system, western audiences were given easy mode because obviously.
Story critiques/personal tastes aside, it's easily one of the best in the series.
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Syntheticon
01/24/18 12:11:17 AM
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SwayM posted...
12 is so fucking underrated its hilarious

Dudes sleeping on an absolute banger.
This guy gets it.
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SwayM
01/24/18 12:13:40 AM
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
SwayM posted...
12 is so fucking overrated its hilarious


Fixed both of your errors there.


Seek help.
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southcoast09
01/24/18 12:14:59 AM
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Without ANY doubt, this is the worst non-online entry to the numbered Final Fantasy series. The battle system was just flat out boring. Sorry, but it was. It was like an online rpg, just not online. Horrible game and I cannot say enough bad things about it. Yet people blast 13 and 15. At least those were fun.

This game was a fuck-you to the fans who hurt their game sales by refusing to buy FFXI. They need to start making games for the public again, rather than for themselves. We want a return to normal turn based play. We don't have to come up with something zany and new every time...
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Zikten
01/24/18 12:15:01 AM
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never played it. but it always looked like a very generic game to me. somehow it doesn't seem to have that Final Fantasy charm. and I heard it plays like a single player mmo, which is kinda weird. dot hack was ok but that was on purpose. the only time a game should play like a single player mmo is if it's dot hack or maybe a Sword Art Online game
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southcoast09
01/24/18 12:18:43 AM
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Zikten posted...
never played it. but it always looked like a very generic game to me. somehow it doesn't seem to have that Final Fantasy charm. and I heard it plays like a single player mmo, which is kinda weird. dot hack was ok but that was on purpose. the only time a game should play like a single player mmo is if it's dot hack or maybe a Sword Art Online game


They just dialed it in because they wanted to build on the FFXI system and make that the "new thing." After poor sales and abysmal reviews, they caved. 13 and 15 were fun, but the fans want to control the ENTIRE party. We haven't had that since FFX.
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TrevorBlack79
01/24/18 12:20:16 AM
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SwayM posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
SwayM posted...
12 is so fucking overrated its hilarious


Fixed both of your errors there.


Seek help.


For what?
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Bad_Mojo
01/24/18 12:24:28 AM
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southcoast09 posted...
Zikten posted...
never played it. but it always looked like a very generic game to me. somehow it doesn't seem to have that Final Fantasy charm. and I heard it plays like a single player mmo, which is kinda weird. dot hack was ok but that was on purpose. the only time a game should play like a single player mmo is if it's dot hack or maybe a Sword Art Online game


They just dialed it in because they wanted to build on the FFXI system and make that the "new thing." After poor sales and abysmal reviews, they caved. 13 and 15 were fun, but the fans want to control the ENTIRE party. We haven't had that since FFX.


We did with X2
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Syntheticon
01/24/18 12:36:52 AM
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
VII/X are so fucking overrated its hilarious and VIII/XII don't get anywhere near the attention they deserve.
FTFY
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TrevorBlack79
01/24/18 12:48:26 AM
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Syntheticon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
VII/X are so fucking overrated its hilarious and VIII/XII don't get anywhere near the attention they deserve.
FTFY


VII used to be overrated, but it's a solid game if you can get past how poorly it's aged visually.
X is overrated as fuck.
VIII deserves more attention, despite its glaring story flaws.
XII is a straight up pile of ass.

That said, what do VII, VIII, and X have to do with XII in this discussion?
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Syntheticon
01/24/18 2:10:58 AM
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
Syntheticon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
VII/X are so fucking overrated its hilarious and VIII/XII don't get anywhere near the attention they deserve.
FTFY


VII used to be overrated, but it's a solid game if you can get past how poorly it's aged visually.
X is overrated as fuck.
VIII deserves more attention, despite its glaring story flaws.
XII is a straight up pile of ass.

That said, what do VII, VIII, and X have to do with XII in this discussion?

I just wanted to point out how laughably wrong you were and give context about why your opinion was misguided.
Of course it's all personal preference so we'll never agree but your answer shows there's still hope for you yet so keep at it, sport! ^_^
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Kajagogo
01/24/18 2:13:55 AM
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I'm sorry, but FFXII has Balthier, which makes it one of the best. There needs to be a Balthier spin off game!!
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Banjo2553
01/24/18 2:37:07 AM
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
Fixed both of your errors there.

How is it overrated if not many people praise the game?

Either way...I'm only interested in the game because I'm a big fan of the Xenoblade games and heard those games have a similar battle system to FFXII.
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TheGrindery
01/24/18 2:38:49 AM
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NES4EVER posted...
I wanted to like it... I really did.

Unfortunately to me it just felt like a mmorpg without the multiplayer online

Sounds like me with .hack
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StucklnMyPants
01/24/18 2:46:47 AM
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Ivalice is the best world that has ever been created in a FF game. Tactics, 12, and Vagrant Story are the trifecta of SquareEnix RPGs. And I don't care if Vagrant Story technically isn't canon in Ivalice, it's canon to me.
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pres_madagascar
01/24/18 3:15:30 AM
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Behaviorism
01/24/18 3:17:37 AM
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Game is trash. Ashe's butt is the only reason I beat it
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pres_madagascar
01/24/18 3:27:41 AM
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Behaviorism posted...
Game is trash. Ashe's butt is the only reason I beat it

Hehe you beat it to ashes butt.
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TrevorBlack79
01/24/18 8:23:05 AM
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Syntheticon posted...
I just wanted to point out how laughably wrong you were and give context about why your opinion was misguided.


You didn't do that, though. You brought up games unrelated to the discussion, which adds no context. It makes about as much sense as your comment in the topic about the girl with Rett syndrome, where you said the situation is particularly unfortunate because the mother is attractive. It really just shows a pattern of you being unable to contribute to the discussion at hand so you post irrelevant nonsense instead.
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Ricemills
01/24/18 8:31:52 AM
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pres_madagascar posted...
Behaviorism posted...
Game is trash. Ashe's butt is the only reason I beat it

Hehe you beat it to ashes butt.


yes, i did.
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