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MrBobGray
01/23/18 7:37:55 PM
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http://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2018/01/23/gotham-joker-arrival-david-mazouz-jerome/

Lets give this character every likeness of the Joker while claiming he isnt the Joker, only to have another character come along and rip off of this established character.

How does that do the real Joker any justice whatsoever?
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Darmik
01/23/18 7:39:11 PM
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Why not see how they bring him in and find out?
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MrBobGray
01/23/18 7:42:42 PM
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Darmik posted...
Why not see how they bring him in and find out?


Because theyve done literally every likeness of the Joker thus far and have claimed he isnt. Ill wait, but this seems like a cheap switcharoo.
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gna647
01/23/18 7:45:10 PM
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MrBobGray posted...
Darmik posted...
Why not see how they bring him in and find out?


Because theyve done literally every likeness of the Joker thus far and have claimed he isnt. Ill wait, but this seems like a cheap switcharoo.


I saw a few of his clips and wasnt really impressed with his version of joker

Anyways, killing jokes incarnation of jokers origin will always be my favorite
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MrBobGray
01/23/18 7:46:12 PM
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gna647 posted...
MrBobGray posted...
Darmik posted...
Why not see how they bring him in and find out?


Because theyve done literally every likeness of the Joker thus far and have claimed he isnt. Ill wait, but this seems like a cheap switcharoo.


I saw a few of his clips and wasnt really impressed with his version of joker

Anyways, killing jokes incarnation of jokers origin will always be my favorite


Neither was I. His origin wasnt that inspiring.
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Smashingpmkns
01/23/18 7:52:22 PM
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Having the Joker exist before Bruce is even close to becoming Batman is dumb as fuck.
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gna647
01/23/18 7:53:27 PM
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Jokers origin isnt supposed to be inspiring.

Its supposed to be mysterious
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MrBobGray
01/23/18 7:55:00 PM
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gna647 posted...
Jokers origin isnt supposed to be inspiring.

Its supposed to be mysterious


Hes had several origin stories so far, though.
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008Zulu
01/23/18 8:23:23 PM
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Why is it that Got-Ham is allowed to use The Joker, but CW isn't allowed to use Deathstroke?
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pegusus123456
01/23/18 8:26:30 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Why is it that Got-Ham is allowed to use The Joker, but CW isn't allowed to use Deathstroke?

They won't call him the Joker.

And I also think this is kind of dumb. I figured they'd just given up on the idea that Jerome wasn't the Joker. If he'd stayed dead and they'd left it at a bunch of people in Gotham laughing, that would've been one thing. Bringing him back to life and stealing a Joker comic plotline pretty much means he's the Joker.
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EnterTheTekken
01/23/18 8:26:45 PM
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008Zulu posted...
Why is it that Got-Ham is allowed to use The Joker, but CW isn't allowed to use Deathstroke?


Because they know the CW shows are better than the movies.
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Mal_Fet
01/23/18 8:26:52 PM
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This helps explain why Jerome has been seen doing things like throwing Joker playing cards and asking to put a smile on someone's face. The character is laying the groundwork for something more terrifying to come.

So the "real" Joker is actually going to be just some unoriginal copycat hack.

That's great.
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pegusus123456
01/23/18 8:30:08 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
This helps explain why Jerome has been seen doing things like throwing Joker playing cards and asking to put a smile on someone's face. The character is laying the groundwork for something more terrifying to come.

So the "real" Joker is actually going to be just some unoriginal copycat hack.

That's great.

In fairness, Jerome hasn't actually done any full-on Joker shit. He's got the laugh and the murder, that's about it.

In any case, Gotham is one of the dumbest shows on TV, but it still manages to be entertaining so fuck it.
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creativerealms
01/23/18 8:33:02 PM
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Jerome AKA sonotJoker is a great Joker.
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MrBobGray
01/23/18 8:34:36 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
008Zulu posted...
Why is it that Got-Ham is allowed to use The Joker, but CW isn't allowed to use Deathstroke?

They won't call him the Joker.

And I also think this is kind of dumb. I figured they'd just given up on the idea that Jerome wasn't the Joker. If he'd stayed dead and they'd left it at a bunch of people in Gotham laughing, that would've been one thing. Bringing him back to life and stealing a Joker comic plotline pretty much means he's the Joker.


Ex-fucking-actly
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Mal_Fet
01/23/18 8:35:00 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
In fairness, Jerome hasn't actually done any full-on Joker shit.

He only acts exactly like the Joker and has an aesthetic exactly like the Joker's and has clown henchmen like the Joker and has a carnival base like the Joker and cut off then stapled back on his own face exactly like the Joker and throws joker playing cards like the Joker and want to "put a smile on your face" like the Joker.
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creativerealms
01/23/18 8:39:29 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
This helps explain why Jerome has been seen doing things like throwing Joker playing cards and asking to put a smile on someone's face. The character is laying the groundwork for something more terrifying to come.

So the "real" Joker is actually going to be just some unoriginal copycat hack.

That's great.

Well they already have a ton of Joker copy cats with Jerome's followers so the "real" Joker would be seen as worse then a copycat.
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pegusus123456
01/23/18 8:40:39 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
In fairness, Jerome hasn't actually done any full-on Joker shit.

He only acts exactly like the Joker and has an aesthetic exactly like the Joker's and has clown henchmen like the Joker and has a carnival base like the Joker and cut off then stapled back on his own face exactly like the Joker and throws joker playing cards like the Joker and want to "put a smile on your face" like the Joker.

I meant more the look <_<

He heasn't done the suit or the white skin or anything. But I take your point.
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hollow_shrine
01/23/18 8:40:58 PM
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I feel like the series has been doing exactly this kind of mess since premiering five years ago.
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Darmik
01/23/18 8:42:03 PM
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Well I mean it's possible that Joker might spring off from the seeds left behind from Jerome but still be something new. Like an evolution. Which is generally what Joker is anyway. An evolution of that criminal sickness within Gotham.
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Zikten
01/23/18 8:43:19 PM
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i've only seen a few episodes but it seems like Smallville. I never liked Smallville. The idea of cramming all these adventures "before the cape" is kinda dumb and doesn't even always make sense. might as well just do a normal batman show. even if he's young, that's still better. make it about Bruce in his 20's
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Mal_Fet
01/23/18 8:53:44 PM
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Zikten posted...
i've only seen a few episodes but it seems like Smallville. I never liked Smallville. The idea of cramming all these adventures "before the cape" is kinda dumb and doesn't even always make sense. might as well just do a normal batman show. even if he's young, that's still better. make it about Bruce in his 20's

The problem with all "origin" series is that they very quickly stop being origin series. In Smallville, they form the goddamn Justice League before Clark ever puts his cape on, because there's nowhere else to go after he learns about his powers.
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pegusus123456
01/23/18 8:55:08 PM
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Zikten posted...
i've only seen a few episodes but it seems like Smallville. I never liked Smallville. The idea of cramming all these adventures "before the cape" is kinda dumb and doesn't even always make sense. might as well just do a normal batman show. even if he's young, that's still better. make it about Bruce in his 20's

It's really goofy and if you just go with it, you'll like it.
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JustMonika
01/23/18 8:57:11 PM
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Is Jessica Lucas still on there? Because that's a reason to watch it.
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Darmik
01/23/18 9:05:21 PM
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Lets be honest. A story that's just about Gordon fighting off Carmine Falcon and other boring mafia families would be boring as shit.

People have always liked Batman for the villains. That's what Gotham eventually figured out.

Considering that WB will never fund a Batman TV show this is about the best that we'll ever get.

I'm not saying all of their choices are done right though. Their stuff with Poison Ivy is just plain awful lol. But Riddler and Penguin? Good stuff. I quite like the stuff with Bruce and Alfred too.

I haven't seen the latest season though.
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SlashmanSG
01/23/18 9:08:02 PM
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Wait, does anybody actually think Gotham is a good show? It's been trash since day 1.
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MrBobGray
01/23/18 9:27:30 PM
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Darmik posted...
Lets be honest. A story that's just about Gordon fighting off Carmine Falcon and other boring mafia families would be boring as shit.

People have always liked Batman for the villains. That's what Gotham eventually figured out.

Considering that WB will never fund a Batman TV show this is about the best that we'll ever get.

I'm not saying all of their choices are done right though. Their stuff with Poison Ivy is just plain awful lol. But Riddler and Penguin? Good stuff. I quite like the stuff with Bruce and Alfred too.

I haven't seen the latest season though.


Yeah theyve ruined Ivy just for the sake of keeping her character relevant.
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pegusus123456
01/23/18 9:28:06 PM
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SlashmanSG posted...
Wait, does anybody actually think Gotham is a good show? It's been trash since day 1.

It's an incredibly stupid show.

Which is great.
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