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iClockwork
01/22/18 1:40:06 AM
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https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-white-supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017

The number of white supremacist murders in the United States more than doubled in 2017 compared to the previous year, far surpassing murders committed by domestic Islamic extremists and making 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence since 1970.

White supremacists were directly responsible for 18 of the total 34 extremist-related murders in 2017, according to the new ADL report, Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017. A total of nine deaths were linked to Islamic extremists.

The most recent ADL data shows that over the last decade a total of 71 percent of all fatalities have been linked to domestic right-wing extremists, while 26 percent of the killings were committed by Islamic extremists. The other 3 percent of deaths were carried out by extremists not falling into either category.

These findings are a stark reminder that domestic extremism is a serious threat to our safety and security, said Jonathan A. Greenblatt, ADL CEO. We saw two car-ramming attacks in the U.S. last year-- one from an Islamic terrorist and another from a white supremacist in Charlottesvilleand the number of deaths attributed to white supremacists increased substantially. The bottom line is we cannot ignore one form of extremism over another. We must tackle them all.


Sounds like we need to start cracking down harder on conservative para-military groups hiding out across the country.
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bevan306
01/22/18 1:55:17 AM
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islamic extremists are right wing extremists too. Just saying
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Phantom_Nook
01/22/18 1:56:01 AM
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I wonder why, he said sarcastically.
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 2:39:00 AM
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Imagine taking the ADL seriously.
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Coffeebeanz
01/22/18 2:43:05 AM
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Let me guess

Anything religious is right wing
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ThanksUglyGod
01/22/18 2:45:21 AM
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MedeaLysistrata
01/22/18 2:47:05 AM
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right-wing extremism in the US has been an issue since at least the 90s
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Frolex
01/22/18 2:47:34 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Let me guess

Anything religious is right wing


you could try actually reading the article rather than wasting space in the thread
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Coffeebeanz
01/22/18 2:48:02 AM
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I always wondered why fascism is right wing. Conservatives and liberals can be either authoritarian or libertarian. Fascists are just nationalist zealots. Communist regimes are nationalist as hell.
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Milkman5
01/22/18 2:50:02 AM
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yeah, if you count Islamist as right wing, which I suppose is true
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Frolex
01/22/18 2:51:58 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
yeah, if you count Islamist as right wing, which I suppose is true


Frolex posted...

you could try actually reading the article rather than wasting space in the thread


btw milkman take your meds
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Axiom
01/22/18 2:53:01 AM
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iClockwork posted...
The number of white supremacist murders in the United States more than doubled in 2017 compared to the previous year, far surpassing murders committed by domestic Islamic extremists and making 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence since 1970.

This is shocking news. Truly shocking
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 2:57:44 AM
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You know youre pretty much garbage when youre too far to the left for even Salon.

https://www.salon.com/2017/07/06/media-allows-bogus-civil-rights-group-adl-to-smear-israel-critics-and-black-lives-matter-activists_partner/
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Mal_Fet
01/22/18 3:22:42 AM
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BillWardsPants posted...
You know youre pretty much garbage when youre too far to the left for even Salon.

https://www.salon.com/2017/07/06/media-allows-bogus-civil-rights-group-adl-to-smear-israel-critics-and-black-lives-matter-activists_partner/

LOL. They used their own cooked up statistics as a source for this nonsense.

WJgAibL

Again, imagine taking the ADL seriously.

Where did the TC go?
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iClockwork
01/22/18 3:26:19 AM
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anti-defamation-league/

"I don't like their how they make my narrative look even though their reporting has been found to be factual."
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Kirby
01/22/18 3:26:59 AM
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White supremacists were directly responsible for 18 of the total 34 extremist-related murders in 2017


First off, 18 murders? Thats it? Detroit alone usually doles out 300 murders a year. The total amount is a joke, itd be the same as being afraid of a police officer killing you because you saw it a couple times on the news.
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Ic3Bullet
01/22/18 3:31:14 AM
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Kirby posted...
White supremacists were directly responsible for 18 of the total 34 extremist-related murders in 2017


First off, 18 murders? Thats it? Detroit alone usually doles out 300 murders a year. The total amount is a joke, itd be the same as being afraid of a police officer killing you because you saw it a couple times on the news.

It's murders by extremist groups. Most murders are not committed by extremist groups.
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Mal_Fet
01/22/18 3:32:55 AM
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iClockwork posted...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anti-defamation-league/

"I don't like their how they make my narrative look even though their reporting has been found to be factual."

Even if we accept the ADL's highly broad definition of a white supremacist, including (but not limited to) Christian organizations...

over the last decade a total of 71 percent of all fatalities have been linked to domestic right-wing extremists, while 26 percent of the killings were committed by Islamic extremists.

~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror

~3% of the population is Islamic: Islamic extremists commit ~25% of the terror

One of these groups are WAY overrepresented in terrorism. Can you guess which?
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iClockwork
01/22/18 3:41:57 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Even if we accept the ADL's highly broad definition of a white supremacist, including (but not limited to) Christian organizations...

Mal_Fet posted...
~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror


Can you link where the ADL claims that every white person is a white supremacist. Your argument fails without this claim.
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 3:43:14 AM
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iClockwork posted...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/anti-defamation-league/

"I don't like their how they make my narrative look even though their reporting has been found to be factual."

Maybe you should check the disclaimer on Media Bias Fact Check, before citing them as some sort of authority on factual reporting.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/disclaimer/

The information contained in this website is for general information purposes only and is the opinion of individual reviewers for Media Bias/Fact Check. The information is provided by Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC News) and while we endeavor to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness or accuracy of opinions/information on the website for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk.

They cant even establish their own credibility.
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iClockwork
01/22/18 3:44:21 AM
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BillWardsPants posted...
Maybe you should check the disclaimer on Media Bias Fact Checker, before citing them as some sort of authority on factual reporting.


I didn't say it was an ultimate authority but they are reputable a widely regarded.
http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/aug/31/who-carries-out-more-terror-attacks-us-soil-right-/
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Mal_Fet
01/22/18 3:44:40 AM
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iClockwork posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Even if we accept the ADL's highly broad definition of a white supremacist, including (but not limited to) Christian organizations...

Mal_Fet posted...
~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror


Can you link where the ADL claims that every white person is a white supremacist. Your argument fails without this claim.

I'm comparing apples to apples. I'm not suggesting anyone has claimed all Islamic people are terrorists either.
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iClockwork
01/22/18 3:48:40 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I'm comparing apples to apples. I'm not suggesting anyone has claimed all Islamic people are terrorists either.


Then your ratios for "representation" mean nothing.
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 3:55:39 AM
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iClockwork posted...
BillWardsPants posted...
Maybe you should check the disclaimer on Media Bias Fact Checker, before citing them as some sort of authority on factual reporting.


I didn't say it was an ultimate authority but they are reputable a widely regarded.
http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/aug/31/who-carries-out-more-terror-attacks-us-soil-right-/


Politifact now? Ok.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/15183/21-lies-told-politifact-not-including-obama-got-john-nolte

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/nov/01/principles-politifact-punditfact-and-truth-o-meter/

PolitiFact is run by editors and reporters from the Tampa Bay Times

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/times-recommends-hillary-clinton-for-president/2296789

Bias confirmed.

Just stop citing bullshit factories. Its embarrassing.
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scar the 1
01/22/18 3:56:47 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror

~3% of the population is Islamic: Islamic extremists commit ~25% of the terror

One of these groups are WAY overrepresented in terrorism. Can you guess which?

While you're actually making a decent point, you're making it in a very disingenuous way. I'm conflicted about how I should feel about this.
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iClockwork
01/22/18 4:05:41 AM
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BillWardsPants posted...
Politifact now? Ok.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/15183/21-lies-told-politifact-not-including-obama-got-john-nolte

Sites Dailywire...

I'm dead.

BillWardsPants posted...
PolitiFact is run by editors and reporters from the Tampa Bay Times

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/times-recommends-hillary-clinton-for-president/2296789

Bias confirmed.

One of the founders USE to work at Tampa Bay Times. How does that correlate to everyone there works for that paper. You realize most people work for another publication before starting their own right?

Holy shit how embarrassed are you right now.

Also

Dailywire LOL
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 4:39:35 AM
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iClockwork posted...
BillWardsPants posted...
Politifact now? Ok.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/15183/21-lies-told-politifact-not-including-obama-got-john-nolte

Sites Dailywire...

I'm dead.

BillWardsPants posted...
PolitiFact is run by editors and reporters from the Tampa Bay Times

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/times-recommends-hillary-clinton-for-president/2296789

Bias confirmed.

One of the founders USE to work at Tampa Bay Times. How does that correlate to everyone there works for that paper. You realize most people work for another publication before starting their own right?

Holy shit how embarrassed are you right now.

Also

Dailywire LOL


It literally says PolitiFact is run by editors and reporters from the Tampa Bay Times, in their very own About Us. I even provided a link, in the above post.
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Mal_Fet
01/22/18 4:41:30 AM
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iClockwork posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I'm comparing apples to apples. I'm not suggesting anyone has claimed all Islamic people are terrorists either.


Then your ratios for "representation" mean nothing.

How do you figure
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 7:36:55 PM
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http://newobserveronline.com/lies-adls-white-extremist-murder-list-contains-sanders-obama-voters-mixed-race-gangs-domestic-disputes/

Oh shit! BTFO!
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The Admiral
01/22/18 7:40:17 PM
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This article is about 18 murders linked to white supremacy extremists.

Just for comparison, Islamic extremists killed 15,700 people globally last year, while injuring an additional 14,302.

Guess which one libs think is the bigger threat to humanity?
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RebelElite791
01/22/18 7:43:36 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Just for comparison, Islamic extremists killed 15,700 people globally last year, while injuring an additional 14,302.

The article is about the US, not globally. As both the article, and TC's excerpt point out.

Derp
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darkjedilink
01/22/18 7:45:11 PM
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"White supremacists were responsible for 18 of 34 extremist-related murders..."

Topic title - Right Wing Extremists murder more people than any other extremest group in 2017

Someone's being a little biased.
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Axiom
01/22/18 7:45:33 PM
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WhinyZach posted...
BillWardsPants posted...
http://newobserveronline.com/lies-adls-white-extremist-murder-list-contains-sanders-obama-voters-mixed-race-gangs-domestic-disputes/

Oh shit! BTFO!


tc rekt
libs rekt

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-observer/

Notes: The New Observer has extreme right wing bias. Publishes stories that are simply not true (fake news) and has very questionable content regarding African Americans. (11/7/2016) Updated (6/20/2017)

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Kazi1212
01/22/18 7:48:07 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...

~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror

~3% of the population is Islamic: Islamic extremists commit ~25% of the terror

One of these groups are WAY overrepresented in terrorism. Can you guess which?


The Admiral posted...
This article is about 18 murders linked to white supremacy extremists.

Just for comparison, Islamic extremists killed 15,700 people globally last year, while injuring an additional 14,302.

Guess which one libs thing is the bigger threat to humanity?

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The Admiral
01/22/18 7:48:22 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Just for comparison, Islamic extremists killed 15,700 people globally last year, while injuring an additional 14,302.

The article is about the US, not globally. As both the article, and TC's excerpt point out.

Derp


Yes, this distinction was clarified in the post itself.

Now try answering the question.
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BillWardsPants
01/22/18 7:59:17 PM
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Axiom posted...
WhinyZach posted...
BillWardsPants posted...
http://newobserveronline.com/lies-adls-white-extremist-murder-list-contains-sanders-obama-voters-mixed-race-gangs-domestic-disputes/

Oh shit! BTFO!


tc rekt
libs rekt

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-observer/

Notes: The New Observer has extreme right wing bias. Publishes stories that are simply not true (fake news) and has very questionable content regarding African Americans. (11/7/2016) Updated (6/20/2017)

Lmfao


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You can always look at the list on the ADL website, and dyor.
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Kazi1212
01/22/18 8:02:25 PM
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So it safe to say now that Muslim people are more prone to being terrorists according to the data in TCs article? I mean ~3% of the population commits ~25% of terrorist activity, if thats not scary I dont know what is
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Axiom
01/22/18 8:03:37 PM
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That site's front page has three articles titled

US Jews, Muslims Join Forces to Help Nonwhite Invaders in Europe

White Race Doesnt Exist, Says Romes Top Jew

100 Jews Arrested in US Senate after Illegal Demonstration in Favor of Third World Invasion of America

Calling it extreme right is being generous. It's basically borderline white supremacist
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The Admiral
01/22/18 8:04:58 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
So it safe to say now that Muslim people are more prone to being terrorists according to the data in TCs article? I mean ~3% of the population commits ~25% of terrorist activity, if thats not scary I dont what is


Of course it's safe to say, it's the reality.

For some reason, the ADL and its bleeding heart affiliates love to use absolute figures in cases like this one (ignoring population differences) when it helps their agenda, but then love to use rates in cases where it doesn't, like discussions of racial police violence (ignoring that significantly more white people are killed by police every year in terms of absolute numbers).
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ImTheMacheteGuy
01/22/18 8:08:20 PM
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This is fake news. Antifa was responsible for over a trillion murders in the US last year...

wwww.superinfowarsextreme.com/antifa-murdered-over-1trillion-people-2017.hmtl
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averagejoel
01/22/18 8:10:20 PM
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has anyone deflecting to islamic terrorism also acknowledged that the US created islamic terrorism
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The Admiral
01/22/18 8:15:00 PM
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averagejoel posted...
has anyone deflecting to islamic terrorism also acknowledged that the US created islamic terrorism


I want to start a game show called "What Can't Averagejoel Blame on White People." The premise of the show is that 3 guests will need to come up with some domestic or global problem and see if they can list one that averagejoel can't mindlessly blame on white people, white imperialism, white colonialism, or white countries.

If anyone is successful at stumping joel, they'll get a limited edition copy of The Communist Manifesto from joel's personal collection.
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a42ozslushie
01/22/18 8:16:05 PM
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Lol at the ADL. Literally created by Israel so that anyone who criticizes Israel for anything can be labeled an anti-Semite. It has a political motivation, I wouldn't take anything from the ADL as fact. Especially when the ADL says that it's source is the ADL lmfao!!!
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sktgamer_13dude
01/22/18 8:16:17 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
So it safe to say now that Muslim people are more prone to being terrorists according to the data in TCs article? I mean ~3% of the population commits ~25% of terrorist activity, if thats not scary I dont what is


Of course it's safe to say, it's the reality.

For some reason, the ADL and its bleeding heart affiliates love to use absolute figures in cases like this one (ignoring population differences) when it helps their agenda, but then love to use rates in cases where it doesn't, like discussions of racial police violence (ignoring that significantly more white people are killed by police every year in terms of absolute numbers).

I mean white people are also the majority of the country.

I wonder (honestly) what the percentages are and if they align with more of what the demographics are or not.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
01/22/18 8:17:31 PM
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iClockwork posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Even if we accept the ADL's highly broad definition of a white supremacist, including (but not limited to) Christian organizations...

Mal_Fet posted...
~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror


Can you link where the ADL claims that every white person is a white supremacist. Your argument fails without this claim.

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The Admiral
01/22/18 8:20:01 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
iClockwork posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Even if we accept the ADL's highly broad definition of a white supremacist, including (but not limited to) Christian organizations...

Mal_Fet posted...
~70% of the population is white: "white supremacists" commit ~70% of the terror


Can you link where the ADL claims that every white person is a white supremacist. Your argument fails without this claim.


How is that relevant? What do you think the point of the ADL's headline is?

Once again, just to put things in perspective, this is about 18 murders over the course of an entire year. In 2018, already, there have been more murders by black gang members than that just in the city of Chicago. For some reason, the ADL doesn't publicize that as visibly that or throw those figures into colorful pie charts.

Again, I wonder why...
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