Current Events > Oh look, someone on my Facebook Feed is bitching about Common Core

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Must be another day that ends in "y"
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common core means well but is horribly executed.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

common core means well but is horribly executed.

That is not the fault of Common Core.

CCSS is a set of standards. "Kids in Grade X should be able to do Y proficiently"
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ZMythos posted...

That is not the fault of Common Core.

If teachers are struggling to teach it and parents can't grasp it...
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dave_is_slick posted...

If teachers are struggling to teach it and parents can't grasp it...

"An entire generation of adults is having trouble understanding a new way of doing things, probably that thing's fault and not them simply being raised differently"

If people like you bred more often we'd never have smart phones or the internet >->
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ZMythos posted...

"An entire generation of adults is having trouble understanding a new way of doing things, probably that thing's fault and not them simply being raised differently"

Bullshit, dude. Why is it so hard to fathom that it itself is the problem?
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dave_is_slick posted...

Bullshit, dude. Why is it so hard to fathom that it itself is the problem?

Because our education system was going to shit before common core?
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lol OP sounds more salty than the person bitching about common core
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ZMythos posted...

Because our education system was going to shit before common core?

And common core is saving it?

sylverlolol posted...

lol OP sounds more salty than the person bitching about common core

It's just annoying to see people complain about things they don't know anything about?

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

And common core is saving it?

It's a foundation for national standards so we actually know what the fuck we're doing, so it's better than what came before.
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wow so edgy you support common core
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Common core is trash

C_Pain posted...

wow so edgy you support common core

It's not edgy

not__shawn__z posted...

Common core is trash

You probably don't even know what Common Core is.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

common core means well but is horribly executed.

lol
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ZMythos posted...

You probably don't even know what Common Core is.

I already told you it was trash

not__shawn__z posted...

I already told you it was trash

So you don't know what it is.
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I legit don't know what it is

I luckily did not have to deal with common core because that was not around when I went to school. It seems to overcomplicate things so to me it should be called common crap.
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So TC, inquiring minds would like to know: Why do you think Common Core is better than the normal way it was taught before? What about it is factually beneficial over the old ways?
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i can't even imagine how common core math is supposed to actually be better

Common core seeks to turn the simple mousetrap into something from Saw.

Just wait until you get legendary cores
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Illuminoius posted...

i can't even imagine how common core math is supposed to actually be better

Yeah, my mom works at a school, so she's talked about it for a bit. The math sounds like it's a waste of time to me, but I suppose it's not terrible to learn alternative methods of solving problems.
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TC created common core
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Man nobody knows what it is, huh?
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the only thing I know about common core are the weird ass math problems that would've made me scared of math
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ZMythos posted...

Man nobody knows what it is, huh?

Yeah, it's shit
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little kids should just go through Euclids Elements and convince themselves of each proof and then be tested on reconstructing them then they should be taught formal symbolic logic and spend highschool reconstructing arithmetic according to Russel and Whitehead's Principia Mathematica. Think of how much better this world would be.
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ZMythos posted...

Man nobody knows what it is, huh?

Explain it then.
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Oderus Urungus posted...

Common core seeks to turn the simple mousetrap into something from Saw.

That already happened, quite some time ago.
https://i0.wp.com/john.do/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/mouse-trap-1.jpg

All it does is set kids up for failure. You have teachers that don't have the resources or manpower to properly teach it and parents that have no idea how to help their kids with even basic homework, all the while the children are being force to adapt to something they can not understand. And in the end all it does is make everything more complicated because the people behind it think that we need to understand why 2+2=4.
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CarlGrimes posted...

And in the end all it does is make everything more complicated because the people behind it think that we need to understand why 2+2=4.

We had that in the 80s. It was called "count them" - sometimes even playing with a abacus.

That's all those dumb little circles do.
http://ourpotluckfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Common-core-subtract.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmaxEJOCYAA8Tle.jpg

People who support common core are nothing short of Communistic scum. The closest way between point a and b is a straight line, in one simple step, not 20 ways to see how you got there. I'm sure kids don't want to spend 5-10 minutes trying to explain why 8+5=13.
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DirkDiggles posted...

I'm sure kids don't want to spend 5-10 minutes trying to explain why 8+5=13.

If we want to grow a generation of coders and engineers, we need to teach that there are multiple ways of doing things, instead of a dogmatic "right" way.

Unfortunately, this new math is just five or six dogmas dogpiled right on top of eachother.

Listen kids, just use a calculator. Both common core and the old way suck. :v Your phone can do it for you quicker.
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You people are complete fucking jokes.

Answer the fucking question or shut the fuck up forever.

Common core is a set of normalized standards that was, in practice, suppose to improve the education system by making all the work the students in this country relatively the same. It main focus is based on students learning certain material in preparation for tests, which is the primary way of assessing student performance and growth.

These assessments are summative, with formative assessment acting as building blocks for students to develop the knowledge and material necessary to complete the summative assessments, hence the names. In theory, it is a one size fit all model that ensure students Nationwide would all be adequately learned for tests like the ACT and the SAT. In practice.... It is complete garbage.

It is very strict in what it allows because the students need to know the content on the test, so it hamstring education and make it formulaic. The tests are given overemphasis so these further pressures the teachers, and bad performances on the tests result in schools losing funding. This results in education being ironically pushed to the side longs, and emphasis on route memorization of material on the exam being emphasize. Our education system is no longer about learning, but performance, as schools focus on teaching to the test rather than teaching at all.

The net result is boring education that encourages gaming the system, poor performing schools doing worse, and a severely hampered education overall. It is trash.

Common core is just busy work so they don't have to teach kids other things like accurate history or art.

Questionmarktarius posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

And in the end all it does is make everything more complicated because the people behind it think that we need to understand why 2+2=4.

We had that in the 80s. It was called "count them" - sometimes even playing with a abacus.

That's all those dumb little circles do.
http://ourpotluckfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Common-core-subtract.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmaxEJOCYAA8Tle.jpg

Is the answer the third set? It's the only one that seemingly corresponds to the idea of taking away eight (dark circles) from fourteen (all circles).

I never understood why people get so flustered by calculating subtraction using addition from behind. It's been taught here for decades.
It just looks like people that feel threatened because they don't understand.

That said, I don't know much about Common Core. I only know that public education in the US is a trainwreck.
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scar the 1 posted...

I never understood why people get so flustered by calculating subtraction using addition from behind. It's been taught here for decades.
It just looks like people that feel threatened because they don't understand.

Because it makes everything overly complicated. It is maths, not philosophy.
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CarlGrimes posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I never understood why people get so flustered by calculating subtraction using addition from behind. It's been taught here for decades.
It just looks like people that feel threatened because they don't understand.

Because it makes everything overly complicated. It is maths, not philosophy.

But it's not complicated at all.
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scar the 1 posted...

But it's not complicated at all.

It is more complicated than the way everyone else learned. You just add the numbers together instead of doing all those useless steps to get the same answer.
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CarlGrimes posted...

All it does is set kids up for failure. You have teachers that don't have the resources or manpower to properly teach it and parents that have no idea how to help their kids with even basic homework, all the while the children are being force to adapt to something they can not understand. And in the end all it does is make everything more complicated because the people behind it think that we need to understand why 2+2=4.

so perhaps the education system is filled with problems (and those things make reaching the CC standards more difficult)? and the fact that parents can't do it is because they didn't learn how to do this thing? and the argument is that they should have?

and could you explain why you think students don't need to know why/how things work? I study math education, and can explain why I think you should know how things work.

CarlGrimes posted...

scar the 1 posted...

But it's not complicated at all.

It is more complicated than the way everyone else learned. You just add the numbers together instead of doing all those useless steps to get the same answer.

It's not more complicated at all. The whole point of the algorithm is that you break it down to additions that are very easy to calculate. With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head. And the additional benefit that it's intuitive.
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Fam_Fam posted...

and could you explain why you think students don't need to know why/how things work?

Because it is math. Most people are never going to need any skills beyond the basic level in their life. And half assing an all new style that most kids will not be able to get real help with is not going to help.
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CarlGrimes posted...

scar the 1 posted...

But it's not complicated at all.

It is more complicated than the way everyone else learned. You just add the numbers together instead of doing all those useless steps to get the same answer.

there are benefits to those "useless steps" in helping you understand why/how things work. this helps you in learning higher level math.

the point of developing understanding in these "easy" situations is to develop and understanding of how numbers work so that you can do upper level math right. Students have been TERRIBLE at understanding fractions and algebra. You probably know that. These "useless steps" help students understand things about number that facilitate the understanding of these more difficult concepts later on. For example, the way whole number multiplication and division are taught now (doing more than just the algorithms) apply in ways that match directly with polynomial multiplication and division (remember those?). The conceptual understanding you develop early on helps you understand how to distribute using polynomials without having to learn "FOIL" (which helps you multiply polynomials, except is only works when doing a binomial times a binomial and then you immediately through it out when doing any other type of polynomial multiplication). And oh yeah, polynomial division makes sense to NO ONE (even if you did remember how to do it), but these methods of developing conceptual knowledge in multiplication and division in elementary school also apply direction to this algebra 2 / precalculus subject.

But of course, most of the critics of the CCSSM (Common Core State Standards of Mathematics) would not know any of these things about these "useless steps"

scar the 1 posted...

With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head.

Because 34+13 is so hard.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

and could you explain why you think students don't need to know why/how things work?

Because it is math. Most people are never going to need any skills beyond the basic level in their life. And half assing an all new style that most kids will not be able to get real help with is not going to help.

most things done in school aren't done/used by people outside of school. should everyone just go to a trade school and learn what they'll do for the rest of their lives? I'm happy to argue about what should / should not be included in the standards, but this argument doesn't hold up at all in our educational system. You don't need beyond a basic understanding of really anything to function other than whatever you do for a living. In fact, if you learned nothing else, you perhaps could devote more effort towards developing expertise in a craft. Would that be a better system, in your mind?

CarlGrimes posted...

scar the 1 posted...

With the added benefit that you can easily do it in your head.

Because 34+13 is so hard.

what about 699 + 12,284? I can tell you a method that gets you the answer of 12,983 much faster than doing it out by hand