Current Events > If willingly putting someone's dick in your mouth isn't ''enthusiastic consent''

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then what the hell is?
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Ask victims of child abuse that question.
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She wasn't a child
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

Children can't willingly consent
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

Lmao, whoops.
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

Did you miss the word "willingly"?
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

"What does enthusiastic mean?"

Some children can be brainwashed into willingly and enthusiastically doing....bad stuff.

However, they are still victims.
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DeanAuryn posted...

Some children can be brainwashed into willingly and enthusiastically doing....bad stuff.

That's not willingly.
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Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

For real.

I get it's a Mal_Fet topic, but you sound really bad when you're only response is "well, kids get raped so..."
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

I'm not sure what point he's making.

I mean he's saying something that seems fairly logical, but what point is he making with this statement?

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

a broken clock is still right twice a day
we can accept that mal is making a reasonable point for once but let us never forget that most of what he says is horse shit
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Yes Mal, we all agree. Not sure why you felt the need to make another topic on this...
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thronedfire2 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..

Ya'll= one person
All ya'll= multiple people

When will you northerners learn?!?!
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It's short for You All. Your "correct" version is all you all. Lol

Turbam posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..

Ya'll= one person
All ya'll= multiple people

When will you northerners learn?!?!

Y'all = you all = multiple people

I should know, I'm one of the few northerners that actually says ya'll
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Turbam posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..

Ya'll= one person
All ya'll= multiple people

When will you northerners learn?!?!

No. Y'all= multiple people.
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Guys...
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smh a bunch of north cowards thinking that they know how we do it down in the south.
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We still talking about the comedian thing?

Isn't it obvious? He used magic powers of subliminal control to force her to do these things.
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

Very progressive.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

We still talking about the comedian thing?

Isn't it obvious? He used magic powers.

Lol the Punch-Out guy with the tiger pelt.

Mal_Fet posted...

then what the hell is?

doing so without having to be coerced into it. assuming her story is accurate aziz asked her like a dozen times and she said no a bunch of times before "giving in"

i actually would expect you'd have a decent understanding of enthusiastic consent. you're a good looking person

i don't think this story really fits the #metoo narrative though; there's shades of grey to everything and this is a lot less dark and a lot more "maybe normal is often kind of grey itself"

this story makes me think more about the times partners have fucked me when they werent really in the mood but i was and made sure they knew i was

it's not really about not raping someone, it's about not being a selfish asshole

i think we all agree that what happened wasn't rape or comparable to rape though--but that doesn't mean we can't think about it in the broader context of what kinds of sexual behaviors are kinda shitty and what ones arent
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She isn't Mustafa from Austin Powers.

"Damnit you asked three times! Now I have to!"

Theres categories of consent now? What will they think of next...
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Kazi1212 posted...

Theres categories of consent now? What will they think of next...

I read your post in the voice from the Fruit Roll-ups commercial.

Is this about the Aziz story? If so, there's already been plenty of people from the #metoo movement that have spoken out against his accuser.
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Darkman124 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

then what the hell is?

doing so without having to be coerced into it. assuming her story is accurate aziz asked her like a dozen times and she said no a bunch of times before "giving in"

i actually would expect you'd have a decent understanding of enthusiastic consent. you're a good looking person

i don't think this story really fits the #metoo narrative though; there's shades of grey to everything and this is a lot less dark and a lot more "maybe normal is often kind of grey itself"

this story makes me think more about the times partners have fucked me when they werent really in the mood but i was and made sure they knew i was

it's not really about not raping someone, it's about not being a selfish asshole

i think we all agree that what happened wasn't rape or comparable to rape though--but that doesn't mean we can't think about it in the broader context of what kinds of sexual behaviors are kinda shitty and what ones arent

Yeah, this whole situation really shows just how restricted the current conversation is right now. This isn't really a case where we should be deciding "did he rape her or not?" or "should we take her seriously or not?" because it's a nuanced issue.

Darkman124 posted...

doing so without having to be coerced into it. assuming her story is accurate aziz asked her like a dozen times and she said no a bunch of times before "giving in"

That's not coercion. That's not even what happened. She mumbled and gave "non-verbal cues", sucked his dick (twice!), received, THEN said no to anything further. And still didn't leave by the way.
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Darkman124 posted...

doing so without having to be coerced into it. assuming her story is accurate aziz asked her like a dozen times and she said no a bunch of times before "giving in"

In the story, she only quotes herself actually saying "no" once and she says Aziz immediately stopped. Then later after he gestured to his crotch (once), she blew him again

Is just gesturing to your crotch is "coercion"?
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DeanAuryn posted...

Some children can be brainwashed into willingly and enthusiastically doing....bad stuff.

However, they are still victims.

Dude, give it up.
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Yeah words don't mean whatever you want them to mean through magical feels.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darkman124 posted...

doing so without having to be coerced into it. assuming her story is accurate aziz asked her like a dozen times and she said no a bunch of times before "giving in"

In the story, she only quotes herself actually saying "no" once and she says Aziz immediately stopped. Then later after he gestured to his crotch (once), she blew him again

Is just gesturing to your crotch is "coercion"?

If it is, I feel bad for umpires.

Mal_Fet posted...

In the story, she only quotes herself actually saying "no" once and she says Aziz immediately stopped.

from the article:

It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again.

I wasnt really even thinking of that, I didnt want to be engaged in that with him. But he kept asking, so I said, Next time. And he goes, Oh, you mean second date? and I go, Oh, yeah, sure, and he goes, Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her. She excused herself to the bathroom soon after.

Then she went back to Ansari. He asked her if she was okay. I said I dont want to feel forced because then Ill hate you, and Id rather not hate you, she said.

you need to understand that i'm not suggesting she was raped

i don't think she even is suggesting that

this isn't a debate over whether he's harvey weinstein 2.0
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

Stay on topic-there is no 'consent' with children, it's a hard no in every situation.
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Darkman124 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

In the story, she only quotes herself actually saying "no" once and she says Aziz immediately stopped.

from the article:

It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again.

I wasnt really even thinking of that, I didnt want to be engaged in that with him. But he kept asking, so I said, Next time. And he goes, Oh, you mean second date? and I go, Oh, yeah, sure, and he goes, Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her. She excused herself to the bathroom soon after.

Then she went back to Ansari. He asked her if she was okay. I said I dont want to feel forced because then Ill hate you, and Id rather not hate you, she said.

you need to understand that i'm not suggesting she was raped

i don't think she even is suggesting that

this isn't a debate over whether he's harvey weinstein 2.0

Quote the part of the article right after she says she doesn't want to feel forced.
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Turbam posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..

Ya'll= one person
All ya'll= multiple people

When will you northerners learn?!?!

Lmao
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Ya'll can be used to mean one person or multiple people, but in this situation I was referring to multiple people.
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is this about aziz ansari and that chick?
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Putting something in someone's drink
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DeanAuryn posted...

Ask victims of child abuse that question.

The fuck is wrong with you?
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deanshow posted...

Putting something in someone's drink

Don't put your dong in someone's soda, the cold makes it shrink. Don't put it in someone's coffee, the 3rd degree burns will render your member unable to salute. Don't put it in someone's orange juice, the citrus will make it burn as bad as the coffee, but without the scars. Don't put it in their green eggs & ham, teeth hurt almost as bad as the coffee.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Quote the part of the article right after she says she doesn't want to feel forced.

k

She told babe that at first, she was happy with how he reacted. He said, Oh, of course, its only fun if were both having fun. The response was technically very sweet and acknowledging the fact that I was very uncomfortable. Verbally, in that moment, he acknowledged that I needed to take it slow. Then he said, Lets just chill over here on the couch.

This moment is particularly significant for Grace, because she thought that would be the end of the sexual encounter her remark about not wanting to feel forced had added a verbal component to the cues she was trying to give him about her discomfort. When she sat down on the floor next to Ansari, who sat on the couch, she thought he might rub her back, or play with her hair something to calm her down.

Ansari instructed her to turn around. He sat back and pointed to his penis and motioned for me to go down on him. And I did. I think I just felt really pressured. It was literally the most unexpected thing I thought would happen at that moment because I told him I was uncomfortable.

if your point is it's not rape, we agree

if your point is she's weak willed, we agree

if your point is this isn't really news or a reason to drag his name through the mud, we agree

if your point is aziz was totally reasonable and not at all rude/pushy with her, we disagree

if your point is that this is normal and acceptable behavior, we disagree

the problem here, and i think one that we need to talk about as men, is that 'normal' is often pretty shit for women.
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Darkman124 posted...

if your point is aziz was totally reasonable and not at all rude/pushy with her, we disagree

if your point is that this is normal and acceptable behavior, we disagree

the problem here, and i think one that we need to talk about as men, is that 'normal' is often pretty shit for women.

The bigger issue at hand here is that most people are unwilling to talk about this. Mainly because it is an extremely common behavior.

But on top of that, those who do want to discuss this, only want to use it as a strawman to shoot down the recent movement re:sexual harassment.
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That's twice in like a day (maybe two) that Mal_Fet has put the smack down on COVxy. Gotta know when to hang it up.
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Darkman124 posted...

if your point is aziz was totally reasonable and not at all rude/pushy with her, we disagree

if your point is that this is normal and acceptable behavior, we disagree

the problem here, and i think one that we need to talk about as men, is that 'normal' is often pretty shit for women.

Aziz already proved that he was willing to stop doing things she doesn't want if she merely told him. Why is it his fault if she is so infantilized that she can't be trusted to consent to do something? Wouldn't it be mansplaining if Aziz said instead "You know what? I don't think you are capable of consenting to sexual relations. Although you willingly got naked and blew me earlier, I've now decided that you have the emotional wherewithal of a minor. Now get dressed and leave my house."

Would that have been the appropriate male feminist response?
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Stick_1_2_3 posted...

Turbam posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll trying so hard to "GOTCHA" Mal_Fet when he's making a reasonable point for once.

Only one person tried to do that and everyone else pointed out how wrong he was..

Ya'll= one person
All ya'll= multiple people

When will you northerners learn?!?!

No. Y'all= multiple people.

This. He's probably from canada or something.
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