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not__shawn__z 01/11/18 5:50:33 PM #101:	Killing someone accidentally is manslaughter. That is the definition. Whether they get convicted or not, as in the tragic Kate Steinle case, is another story. In the example you're using, the family decided not to press charges. That's not what I'm arguing at all --- Calling another user a jabroni is a flaming violation. - jabroni gamefaqs moderator <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893858746] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote>Killing someone accidentally is manslaughter. That is the definition. Whether they get convicted or not, as in the tragic Kate Steinle case, is another story. In the example you're using, the family decided not to press charges. That's not what I'm arguing at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 5:56:24 PM #102:	not__shawn__z posted... Killing someone accidentally is manslaughter. That is the definition. Whether they get convicted or not, as in the tragic Kate Steinle case, is another story. In the example you're using, the family decided not to press charges. That's not what I'm arguing at all Wrong. Killing someone accidentally may not be manslaughter. If the jurors feel that it was not the result of gross negligence (in this case the defense argued he picked up a gun from a bag on the ground and it discharged as he was handling the bag and unaware it was a gun) then that is not manslaughter. So no, accidental killing is not the full definition of manslaughter. There's a threshold of recklessness needed. The jury felt that threshold wasn't crossed. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893859110] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>Killing someone accidentally is manslaughter. That is the definition. Whether they get convicted or not, as in the tragic Kate Steinle case, is another story. In the example you're using, the family decided not to press charges. That's not what I'm arguing at all</quote> Wrong. Killing someone accidentally may not be manslaughter. If the jurors feel that it was not the result of gross negligence (in this case the defense argued he picked up a gun from a bag on the ground and it discharged as he was handling the bag and unaware it was a gun) then that is not manslaughter. So no, accidental killing is not the full definition of manslaughter. There's a threshold of recklessness needed. The jury felt that threshold wasn't crossed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/11/18 6:15:48 PM #103:	Lmao you are literally describing involuntary manslaughter --- Calling another user a jabroni is a flaming violation. - jabroni gamefaqs moderator <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893860288] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote>Lmao you are literally describing involuntary manslaughter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 6:20:09 PM #104:	not__shawn__z posted... Lmao you are literally describing involuntary manslaughter Nope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter_(United_States_law) Involuntary or unintentional manslaughter involves the killing of another person without the intent to kill, but where a death occurs through the negligent or reckless actions of the defendant. As I've said many times before, recklessness is necessary for even involuntary manslaughter. Accidentally killing alone does not meet the requirements for manslaughter. His defense was he simply picked something from the ground not realizing it was a gun and it went off. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893860548] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao you are literally describing involuntary manslaughter</quote> Nope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter_(United_States_law) Involuntary or unintentional manslaughter involves the killing of another person without the intent to kill, but where a death occurs through the negligent or reckless actions of the defendant. As I've said many times before, recklessness is necessary for even involuntary manslaughter. Accidentally killing alone does not meet the requirements for manslaughter. His defense was he simply picked something from the ground not realizing it was a gun and it went off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/11/18 6:59:56 PM #105:	Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware --- Calling another user a jabroni is a flaming violation. - jabroni gamefaqs moderator <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893862987] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote>Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FigureOfSpeech 01/11/18 7:23:23 PM #106:	not__shawn__z posted... Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware I'm interested to see how the conversation plays out following this post... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>FigureOfSpeech posted [p:893864565] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware</quote> I'm interested to see how the conversation plays out following this post...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/11/18 7:47:49 PM #107:	@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893866155] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 7:52:32 PM #108:	not__shawn__z posted... Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware This is akin to saying picking up a bag that has a motion sensor bomb which then goes off is reckless. People often pick up objects they're unsure of to inspect them. There's nothing reckless about it. It's clear you don't do any law as you were even unaware of the definition of manslaughter. Unless you are to tell me you're a lawyer that knows no laws. But this is irrevelant to my main points anyway. My point is: 1. Accidental killing is not always manslaughter and 2. The defense argued that the defendent was completely unaware he had picked up the dangerous object and that it fired as he was handling it to see what it was. In other words, they argued that it was not even manslaughter. I am not even arguing whether that was the case or not, but what his defense argued. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893866484] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>Wow. Lol. The fact that he shot a deadly weapon, "not realizing" it was a deadly weapon, resulting in the death of someone is the exact criteria of negligence and recklessness You are talking to someone who does law for a living. Just so you are aware</quote> This is akin to saying picking up a bag that has a motion sensor bomb which then goes off is reckless. People often pick up objects they're unsure of to inspect them. There's nothing reckless about it. It's clear you don't do any law as you were even unaware of the definition of manslaughter. Unless you are to tell me you're a lawyer that knows no laws. But this is irrevelant to my main points anyway. My point is: 1. Accidental killing is not always manslaughter and 2. The defense argued that the defendent was completely unaware he had picked up the dangerous object and that it fired as he was handling it to see what it was. In other words, they argued that it was not even manslaughter. I am not even arguing whether that was the case or not, but what his defense argued.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 8:03:22 PM #109:	not__shawn__z posted... He didn't get that charge. They weren't even arguing against it. There is no dispute that he killed her. But the jury, a bunch of anti trump liberals, wanted to "stick it to trump" and let him off on that one And you never addressed this one, Mr. Lawyer. Since you are so well-versed in law, can you tell me how you became aware of the political spectrum of the jurors? And how did you know they did it to "stick it to Trump?" Thanks again, Mr. Lawyer. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893867257] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>He didn't get that charge. They weren't even arguing against it. There is no dispute that he killed her. But the jury, a bunch of anti trump liberals, wanted to "stick it to trump" and let him off on that one</quote> And you never addressed this one, Mr. Lawyer. Since you are so well-versed in law, can you tell me how you became aware of the political spectrum of the jurors? And how did you know they did it to "stick it to Trump?" Thanks again, Mr. Lawyer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/11/18 11:40:49 PM #110:	KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893880245] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 11:55:14 PM #111:	KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893880942] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/11/18 11:57:58 PM #112:	ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893881074] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/11/18 11:58:12 PM #113:	KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. oh ok --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893881087] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> oh ok</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/12/18 12:09:01 AM #114:	ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. oh ok Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893881591] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> oh ok</quote> Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/12/18 12:14:12 AM #115:	KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. oh ok Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893881845] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> oh ok</quote> Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol</quote> Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/12/18 12:22:04 AM #116:	ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... @ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident. And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. oh ok Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury. Lmfao ahahahhaah hahahaha got this ocean front property in idaho to sell ya buddy --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893882219] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>@ChainedRedone literally thinks firing a gun into a crowd of people is an accident.</quote> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> oh ok</quote> Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol</quote> Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury.</quote> Lmfao ahahahhaah hahahaha got this ocean front property in idaho to sell ya buddy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/12/18 12:31:44 AM #117:	KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... And you never addressed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone. It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone. oh ok Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury. Lmfao ahahahhaah hahahaha got this ocean front property in idaho to sell ya buddy I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I believed the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893882640] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> And you never addressed this</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms) Now leave me alone.</quote> It wasn't an unintentional discharge. He had an illegal weapon on him and he shot someone.</quote> oh ok</quote> Guess the drunk driver who ran over the kid while driving drunk did it by mistake lol</quote> Well he did, but in that case he engaged in reckless behavior that would qualify it as manslaughter. Whereas the defense argued he was unaware of what he picked up until it was too late. Not saying I'm buying it, but that's what the defense argued. And it must have instilled reasonable doubt in the jury.</quote> Lmfao ahahahhaah hahahaha got this ocean front property in idaho to sell ya buddy</quote> I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I believed the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/12/18 12:35:10 AM #118:	ChainedRedone posted... I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension. No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been. --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893882788] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension.</quote> No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 01/12/18 12:40:47 AM #119:	KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension. No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been. Though it was an accident and I do believe regardless of how he obtained the weapon, he unintentionally pulled the trigger. Most people, even the ones who think he's guilty believe it was accidental. But you're free to have differing opinions. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:893883005] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension.</quote> No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been.</quote> Though it was an accident and I do believe regardless of how he obtained the weapon, he unintentionally pulled the trigger. Most people, even the ones who think he's guilty believe it was accidental. But you're free to have differing opinions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 01/12/18 1:04:16 AM #120:	ChainedRedone posted... KingCrabCake posted... ChainedRedone posted... I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension. No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been. Though it was an accident and I do believe regardless of how he obtained the weapon, he unintentionally pulled the trigger. Most people, even the ones who think he's guilty believe it was accidental. But you're free to have differing opinions. That is true. Have a great night dude. --- Waaaah. <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:893883946] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote> I just told you I didn't buy it. I never once said I agreed with the defense. You need to step up your reading comprehension.</quote> No i read everything you said ...but if you dont buy it stop calling it an accident. Dude knew what the outcome could have been.</quote> Though it was an accident and I do believe regardless of how he obtained the weapon, he unintentionally pulled the trigger. Most people, even the ones who think he's guilty believe it was accidental. But you're free to have differing opinions.</quote> That is true. Have a great night dude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bluebomber182 01/13/18 4:32:06 PM #121:	nothing says good christian values more than a serial liar that cheats on his wives. actually minus thou shall not kill trump is all of the 7 deadly sins --- Everyday is Rusev Day! <cite>Bluebomber182 posted [p:893981684] in I admit it... [t:76190321]...</cite> <quote>nothing says good christian values more than a serial liar that cheats on his wives. actually minus thou shall not kill trump is all of the 7 deadly sins</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > I admit it, I think Trump is doing a great job as president. I voted for him. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > I admit it, I think Trump is doing a great job as president. I voted for him.