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legendarylemur
01/10/18 8:38:43 PM
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Literally the only good thing about it is DoA and Monte casting. This is the most casual game with the most amount of money dumped for competitive I've ever seen.

Respawning in an shooter competitive is laughable, there's no tug-of-war fun factor of watching either because they're pussy-footing til cooldowns are up or they're turtling like crazy

It's just fundamentally broken and boring as hell to watch lol. I can't believe there's so many money that went into all these teams lol

You know your game is shallow when Monte does just play-by-play commentaries too
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TheMarthKoopa
01/10/18 8:40:36 PM
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I miss TFC and FF

Also I find it hilarious that nobody wanted to ever put in the effort to get good at classic shooters but they'll try their hardest to get to the highest rankings in casual games, only to realize their own skill isn't what will ever get them there.
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Kitt
01/10/18 8:42:36 PM
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Smashingpmkns
01/10/18 8:45:23 PM
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There would be no point in playing the objective if there weren't any respawns.
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SGT_Conti
01/10/18 8:46:31 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There would be no point in playing the objective if there weren't any respawns.

Eh, CS has no respawn and objectives.
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Smashingpmkns
01/10/18 8:49:09 PM
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SGT_Conti posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
There would be no point in playing the objective if there weren't any respawns.

Eh, CS has no respawn and objectives.


The objectives don't play out the same at all. Search and destroys and the like are one thing, but payloads wouldn't work without respawns. Hell, search and destroys usually end up being TDM most of the time anyways.

Unless we're saying we have to change the whole game structure for it to be considered deemed worthy of a fun competitive scene, which is silly.
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HighOnSolar
01/10/18 8:49:34 PM
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how to identify a bronze player
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legendarylemur
01/10/18 8:52:35 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
There would be no point in playing the objective if there weren't any respawns.

Eh, CS has no respawn and objectives.


The objectives don't play out the same at all. Search and destroys and the like are one thing, but payloads wouldn't work without respawns. Hell, search and destroys usually end up being TDM most of the time anyways.

Unless we're saying we have to change the whole game structure for it to be considered deemed worthy of a fun competitive scene, which is silly.

Or just create an actual competitive mode. Not a bunch of party modes and call itself "competitive". Besides, I already said it was fundamentally flawed, as in yeah the whole game structure needs to be changed.

You know they made a game that was gonna have mass appeal, and Blizzard wanted to cash in on the e-sports money. It ends up coming off as extremely forced and absolutely a snorefest to watch. I don't end up giving a shit about any of these players either
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Mystery_Mission
01/10/18 8:52:52 PM
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Kitt posted...
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thronedfire2
01/10/18 8:55:02 PM
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legendarylemur posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
There would be no point in playing the objective if there weren't any respawns.

Eh, CS has no respawn and objectives.


The objectives don't play out the same at all. Search and destroys and the like are one thing, but payloads wouldn't work without respawns. Hell, search and destroys usually end up being TDM most of the time anyways.

Unless we're saying we have to change the whole game structure for it to be considered deemed worthy of a fun competitive scene, which is silly.

Or just create an actual competitive mode. Not a bunch of party modes and call itself "competitive". Besides, I already said it was fundamentally flawed, as in yeah the whole game structure needs to be changed.

You know they made a game that was gonna have mass appeal, and Blizzard wanted to cash in on the e-sports money. It ends up coming off as extremely forced and absolutely a snorefest to watch. I don't end up giving a shit about any of these players either


so you think just tdm would be more fun to watch? lol

I mean why even bother if you don't have any interest in the game the way it is anyway
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Smashingpmkns
01/10/18 8:55:38 PM
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That's silly. There shouldn't be a predetermined criteria for what makes a competitive game competitive, other than it being a competition and it being popular. Smash Bros has been in the competitive scene for a long time and that game isn't even a real fighting game. This basically boils down to you not liking the core mechanics of the game, which is fine. But why you continue to watch the competitive scene is beyond me.
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WaffIeElite
01/10/18 8:57:17 PM
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Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?
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CookieMarvin
01/10/18 8:58:38 PM
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Mystery_Mission posted...
Kitt posted...
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SGT_Conti
01/10/18 9:00:39 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.
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Ulyanyx
01/10/18 9:00:47 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
That's silly. There shouldn't be a predetermined criteria for what makes a competitive game competitive, other than it being a competition and it being popular. Smash Bros has been in the competitive scene for a long time and that game isn't even a real fighting game. This basically boils down to you not liking the core mechanics of the game, which is fine. But why you continue to watch the competitive scene is beyond me.


but smash brothers is a fighting game, albeit with different mechanics than other fighting games.

overwatch is boring af to play. after so many rounds, it becomes mostly the same thing. it's just a bore.
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thronedfire2
01/10/18 9:02:40 PM
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SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


if a Zen has gold damage the team is most likely gonna hear about it anyway, don't need a scoreboard for that
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Smashingpmkns
01/10/18 9:04:06 PM
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Ulyanyx posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
That's silly. There shouldn't be a predetermined criteria for what makes a competitive game competitive, other than it being a competition and it being popular. Smash Bros has been in the competitive scene for a long time and that game isn't even a real fighting game. This basically boils down to you not liking the core mechanics of the game, which is fine. But why you continue to watch the competitive scene is beyond me.


but smash brothers is a fighting game, albeit with different mechanics than other fighting games.

overwatch is boring af to play. after so many rounds, it becomes mostly the same thing. it's just a bore.


Wtf Every FPS is the same thing. If anything Overwatch is more varied than the average FPS.

And Smash has nothing in common with other fighting games other than they have characters that hit each other. It's an amazing party game with a great competitive scene.
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WaffIeElite
01/10/18 9:05:33 PM
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SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.
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alphagamble
01/10/18 9:09:58 PM
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The camera is awful and there is so much visual noise with the shields, projectiles etc it feels really taxing to watch

I like playing Overwatch but it just isn't suited for spectators imo
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CookieMarvin
01/10/18 9:13:37 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.

having a bunch of gold medals does not inherently imply that you are carrying your weight.
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WaffIeElite
01/10/18 9:13:46 PM
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CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.

having a bunch of gold medals does not inherently imply that you are carrying your weight.


Actually it does.
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CookieMarvin
01/10/18 9:14:09 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.

having a bunch of gold medals does not inherently imply that you are carrying your weight.


Actually it does.

excellent analysis
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Guy_Fieri
01/10/18 9:15:05 PM
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does competitive overwatch have hype ass commentary
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stoltenberg11
01/10/18 9:15:06 PM
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alphagamble posted...
The camera is awful and there is so much visual noise with the shields, projectiles etc it feels really taxing to watch

I like playing Overwatch but it just isn't suited for spectators imo

I feel this way about most fps. I don't like watching the game from one person's perspective while I miss out on a lot of the other action.
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WaffIeElite
01/10/18 9:21:36 PM
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CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.

having a bunch of gold medals does not inherently imply that you are carrying your weight.


Actually it does.

excellent analysis


Don't really need to wall o' text it. I am factually correct, and you are wrong.
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SGT_Conti
01/10/18 9:22:54 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight.

Gold medals can indicate anything from being on fire and carrying all your allies to just sucking less than the rest of your teammates. It doesn't say anything about how much more damage or healing you're doing than someone, and the only concern is if your Mercy is being outhealed by Roadhog or some shit.

Yes, a scoreboard would fix this, but god knows how obsessed people are with stats as it is. Heroes of the Storm shows stats but when your tank is diving into bad fights and dying alone, but bragging about how great his stats are, then the numbers by themselves are worthless.
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CookieMarvin
01/10/18 9:24:05 PM
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WaffIeElite posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
WaffIeElite posted...
Did they actually put a scoreboard for damage dealt and shit, or did they still pussy out for the casuals even there?

Damage dealt is a pretty unimportant score, especially compared to last hits combined with eliminations. If you're just feeding the enemy healer charge you might as well just not even be there.

Though I guess it is useful to know, like if a Zen manages to get gold hero damage and gold healing.


False. It shows who is actually carrying their weight. Besides, Overwatch desperately needs a scoreboard to help give viewers something to pay attention to. The game is as casual as they come, with incredibly simplistic gameplay that can bore any real gamer to tears.

You'd need to be watching 3 competitive games at once to actually keep your mind active.

having a bunch of gold medals does not inherently imply that you are carrying your weight.


Actually it does.

excellent analysis


Don't really need to wall o' text it. I am factually correct, and you are wrong.

I appreciate you sparing me useless insight into surface level thinking
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WaffIeElite
01/10/18 9:25:14 PM
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When you're a super genius like myself, there's no point in trying to explain to the rabble (Such as yourself, in case you weren't aware). You simply won't get it.
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thronedfire2
01/10/18 9:25:23 PM
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Gold medals in overwatch don't mean shit. You have 2 dps in a standard comp, they should be gold and silver. Obj time will mostly always be tanks or a lucio for gold
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CookieMarvin
01/10/18 9:29:43 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Gold medals in overwatch don't mean shit. You have 2 dps in a standard comp, they should be gold and silver. Obj time will mostly always be tanks or a lucio for gold

the only thing medals do in practice is allow people to shift the blame in a loss. No one cares about medals when you win; people only reference them when its well, I had three golds. I wasnt the problem
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stoltenberg11
01/10/18 10:03:31 PM
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Gold medals in the game are literally fool's gold, and stupid additions just like the mvp stuff in Heroes of the Storm. But casuals need muh statz so there they are
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