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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 10:47:48 AM #1: |
http://www.complex.com/life/2018/01/james-damore-sues-google-discrimination-against-white-men
Damore, who used to work as an engineer, caught widespread attention after he was fired from Google last August for writing a 10-page manifesto that criticized the company's diversity programs and argued that women don't get as many leadership roles because they are biologically inferior to men. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 01/09/18 10:48:20 AM #2: |
lmao
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krazychao5 01/09/18 10:49:08 AM #3: |
Why can't white men be discriminated against?
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 10:50:19 AM #4: |
krazychao5 posted...
Why can't white men be discriminated against? Read the article. He feels he was fired for being a white male conservative instead of the shit he talked. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta_MAX 01/09/18 10:50:25 AM #5: |
eston posted...
lmao --- I'm Veggeta X's alt ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VipaGTS 01/09/18 10:51:08 AM #6: |
krazychao5 posted...
Why can't white men be discriminated against? He wasnt. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 01/09/18 10:52:34 AM #7: |
Google can't win, men suing for getting fired, women suing for not getting paid as much as men.
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krazychao5 01/09/18 10:55:27 AM #8: |
Yes, a white male feels like he's being discriminated against. What. A. Time. This is what I was alluding to about the article. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 4:53:44 PM #9: |
Bump for more salt
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chill02 01/09/18 5:17:35 PM #10: |
Veggeta_MAX posted...
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Mal_Fet 01/09/18 5:29:26 PM #11: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? What did he say that was so terrible --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 5:31:22 PM #13: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Women are biologically inferior and thus don't deserve management roles as much as a man does and the general spiel about how people of color are taking jobs from more deserving white men among others. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 01/09/18 5:32:30 PM #14: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Mal_Fet posted... Here's his entire memo https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f Quote where he says any of what you said he did. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 5:47:39 PM #15: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...Mal_Fet posted... Will read the whole thing later but it starts halfway through page 3, goes into 4, and is on the start of page 5 --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 01/09/18 5:51:29 PM #16: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Will read the whole thing later but it starts halfway through page 3, goes into 4, and is on the start of page 5 Quote it then --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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weapon_d00d816 01/09/18 5:52:31 PM #17: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
argued that women don't get as many leadership roles because they are biologically inferior to men. That is not what he said. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Allanon23 01/09/18 5:53:31 PM #18: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
and argued that women don't get as many leadership roles because they are biologically inferior to men. Jesus christ. He didn't say this at all. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Currently Let's Playing I Am Setsuna (Blind) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 01/09/18 5:53:42 PM #19: |
It is amusing that google is currently being sued by just about every group on discrimination grounds.
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 5:53:50 PM #20: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...Will read the whole thing later but it starts halfway through page 3, goes into 4, and is on the start of page 5 Read your own shit. Besides can't copy and paste on my phone so lol if you think I'm going to transcribe some shit you linked without reading. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 01/09/18 5:55:03 PM #21: |
LightHawKnight posted...
Google can't win, men suing for getting fired, women suing for not getting paid as much as men. Welcome the world of "all whiners will be heard." --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 5:59:45 PM #22: |
Allanon23 posted...
Jesus christ. He didn't say this at all. weapon_d00d816 posted... That is not what he said. He said there were biological, social, mental differences between men and women then proceeded to list examples of differences including but not limited to women not being as driven, being more agreeable, not able to deal with stress as effectively, being worse at coding, etc. He didn't outright say women are stupid or incapable of being good employees but its obvious why people jumped to that conclusion. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShinigamiSoul 01/09/18 6:02:36 PM #23: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Bump for more salt i think you mean no salt mirite --- I dont want a sig! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:03:46 PM #24: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
He said there were biological, social, mental differences between men and women then proceeded to list examples of differences including but not limited to women not being as driven, being more agreeable, not able to deal with stress as effectively, being worse at coding, etc. On a gender wide distribution curve, that is factually correct. But he did spend time talking about how there are many overlapping characteristics and that many women have those traits that are required, but as a whole -- a population -- there are fewer women than men with those character traits. He also brings it in reverse, where men who are less extroverted and meek do not have any of the programs that women have to help boost their self confidence, etc. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AngelsNAirwav3s 01/09/18 6:04:33 PM #25: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Allanon23 posted...Jesus christ. He didn't say this at all. He had sources to academic studies supporting every one of his claims. The point of the memo wasn't that women suck ass at engineering, it was that if Google was actually serious about hiring more women then they should look at all the facts, instead of being narrow minded and just thinking the patriarchy has forced women from being engineers. He then makes a bunch of suggestions on how to make the profession a much more attractive field for women. --- Hello world! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Allanon23 01/09/18 6:05:30 PM #26: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
He said there were biological, social, mental differences between men and women then proceeded to list examples of differences including but not limited to women not being as driven, being more agreeable, not able to deal with stress as effectively, being worse at coding, etc. You do realize that his claims are all backed up by studies, right? http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/ For the most part, behavioral scientists and psychologists have no issue with the science in his memo. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Currently Let's Playing I Am Setsuna (Blind) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 6:12:15 PM #28: |
tote_all posted...
I too just finished. I still think he's being a little bitch. But to each his own. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:20:28 PM #30: |
I think the biggest takeaway, besides factually correct differences in gender, is that social stigma rules all. Hiveminds are a detriment to any group because it stifles intellectual conversations based on facts, instead of pandering to peoples feelings. If we are able to do just two things listed in the memo -- take away empathy from discrimination and use facts instead of feelings -- we can create positive dialogue to solve real issues.
Until then, you will be labeled a racist or misogynist if you oppose the status quo in the organization or group. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 01/09/18 6:21:14 PM #31: |
Is there a better source for this story?
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA 01/09/18 6:21:31 PM #32: |
Mal_Fet posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? @Mal_Fet He released an article publicly critiquing the company he worked for... How does this not get an employee fired? --- Kill anyone who gets in the way... Actually nevermind that... JUST KILL EVERYONE! - Kyojiro Kagenuma - WoTS 2 PSN:kingmalak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:22:09 PM #33: |
@Damn_Underscore posted...
Is there a better source for this story? Read the memo: https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f Or read real scientists' views on the memo: http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond/ --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:22:44 PM #34: |
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Makeveli_lives posted...krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? I am assuming it was leaked outside the corporation after he got fired. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 01/09/18 6:23:21 PM #35: |
No, I mean the story that the guy is suing Google
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:25:11 PM #36: |
Damn_Underscore posted...
No, I mean the story that the guy is suing Google Google's your friend https://www.reuters.com/article/us-google-diversity/ex-google-engineer-fired-over-gender-memo-sues-for-discrimination-idUSKBN1EX22L Love this quote, very funny. How another employee was fired. The coworker said on the forum that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had targeted him for being a Muslim, and he expressed worry about his personal safety, the lawsuit said. Gudeman responded with skepticism, saying the coworker had provided zero evidence for the claim and suggesting the FBI may have had justification. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 6:25:35 PM #37: |
krazychao5 posted...
If we are able to do just two things listed in the memo -- take away empathy from discrimination and use facts instead of feelings -- we can create positive dialogue to solve real issues. I see where people are trying to come from with this argument and it doesn't work in real life. The workplace is dominated by straight white males, so by not focusing on minorities and women decisions and discussion would cater to those same straight white men by default since they're the majority. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 6:26:59 PM #38: |
krazychao5 posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...Mal_Fet posted...Makeveli_lives posted...krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? No he got fired because of this going viral. --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA 01/09/18 6:28:23 PM #39: |
krazychao5 posted...
KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...Mal_Fet posted...Makeveli_lives posted...krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? All I am seeing is that it was circulated inside the company... Although my point still stands, I think releasing something like this internally critiquing hire-ups than you is a bad idea, and termination would probably be on the horizon. EDIT: #IHOPENONEOFYOURBOSSESAREBLACKOR/ANDFEMALE while you release a document like this, cause that really would be silly. --- Kill anyone who gets in the way... Actually nevermind that... JUST KILL EVERYONE! - Kyojiro Kagenuma - WoTS 2 PSN:kingmalak ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foreverzero212 01/09/18 6:36:38 PM #40: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
krazychao5 posted...If we are able to do just two things listed in the memo -- take away empathy from discrimination and use facts instead of feelings -- we can create positive dialogue to solve real issues. Well clearly the white man isn't dominating at Google. What isn't working in real life is assuming it's all the white man's fault and the harder we discriminate against men, the more women will magically love what the occupation is today. It's time to take a more calm and scientific based approach so we can finally make professions more attractive to all. It's coming on slowly, but I think tides are turning towards this approach. --- lions and panthers oh my ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:39:47 PM #41: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
Nothing I see states that he was fired over this going viral outside the company. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nicklebro 01/09/18 6:43:45 PM #42: |
tote_all posted...
The OP isn't a quote tho, he's asking what was actually said. KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
They asked for his opinion as a biologist and he merely told them all of things they were factually incorrect about. He didn't"release" anything. foreverzero212 posted...
#truth Idk why people refuse to actually cite Damore's memo when trying to criticize him, unless they know they can't use his actual words against him and must instead distort his message to fit their narrative. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 6:46:21 PM #43: |
krazychao5 posted...
Makeveli_lives posted... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ving_Rhames 01/09/18 6:47:27 PM #44: |
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:48:50 PM #45: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
krazychao5 posted...Makeveli_lives posted... Did you actually read the article you posted? Cause it does not support your claims. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Makeveli_lives 01/09/18 6:51:27 PM #46: |
krazychao5 posted...
Alphabet Inc.s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web companys diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley. James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for perpetuating gender stereotypes. How is this not getting fired for the memo? --- 3DS FC: 0087-2410-1340 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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k darkfire 01/09/18 6:52:25 PM #47: |
Why is being White a sin in America? Hes my fucking hero.
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darkjedilink 01/09/18 6:52:34 PM #48: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
krazychao5 posted...Why can't white men be discriminated against? ITP: Scientific, medical, and physical facts are shit-talking. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 01/09/18 6:54:52 PM #49: |
tote_all posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Makeveli_lives posted... He never said that at all. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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krazychao5 01/09/18 6:55:26 PM #50: |
Makeveli_lives posted...
No he got fired because of this going viral. Makeveli_lives posted... krazychao5 posted... Unless by viral, you mean it was circulated around the company, as memo's are supposed to. I think you also or someone else said he was fired for releasing this into the public. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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