Board 8 > Official College Football Playoff (and New Year's Day bowls) topic.

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THEDavyJones posted...

God Clemson looks so bad.

Shows how truly special DeShaun Watson is.

Yup. Said for a while they were fraud Champions.

Only a combination of Jalen being awful and Watson being transcendent made that game remotely close. Cause Bama was the vastly superior team.

Everyone: OMG the SEC is so bad this year.
SEC: 2-0 in playoff
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The SEC was bad outside of the top 3 teams.
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In a "shocking twist", Alabama is still the best team in the country.
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UInstinctVegeta posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

God Clemson looks so bad.

Shows how truly special DeShaun Watson is.

Yup. Said for a while they were fraud Champions.

Only a combination of Jalen being awful and Watson being transcendent made that game remotely close. Cause Bama was the vastly superior team.

You're not a fraud champ when you take it to Bama two straight years and win one of them.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Everyone: OMG the SEC is so bad this year.
SEC: 2-0 in playoff

LSU lost (legit at least) on a fluke.
Mizzou kinda got screwed.
Kentucky and Auburn were straight ***ed by the officials.

See you next Monday for the SEC Championship mother fuckers....

THEDavyJones posted...

God Clemson looks so bad.

Shows how truly special DeShaun Watson is.

Alabama only loses to the one, freak athlete that Saban doesn't even try to recruit. Cam Newton, Watson, Manziel (ish)
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Alabama never recruits good QBs. Don't know why.
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THEDavyJones posted...

UInstinctVegeta posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

God Clemson looks so bad.

Shows how truly special DeShaun Watson is.

Yup. Said for a while they were fraud Champions.

Only a combination of Jalen being awful and Watson being transcendent made that game remotely close. Cause Bama was the vastly superior team.

You're not a fraud champ when you take it to Bama two straight years and win one of them.

Bama better at 21 of 22 positions.

It's only because the rules are so QB centric now they weren't destroyed. And even with a mediocre QB Bama kills them, or if Clemson only had a very good QB instead of one of the 10 best college QBs ever Bama kills them. Absolute frauds. Except Watson. Straight God level for him

Ok.
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THEDavyJones posted...

Alabama never recruits good QBs. Don't know why.

Maybe Sabin is so good he gives himself a handicap...

Clemson's defense has played damned good, though.
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Saban
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THEDavyJones posted...

Alabama never recruits good QBs. Don't know why.

Saban focuses on smart QBs who at least won't lose the game. The "coach who absolutely refuses to ever get a decent QB" you're looking for is Les Miles.
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jcgamer107 posted...

Saban

It changed it to Satan originally.....

I hate Autocorrect

SmartMuffin posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

Alabama never recruits good QBs. Don't know why.

Saban focuses on smart QBs who at least won't lose the game. The "coach who absolutely refuses to ever get a decent QB" you're looking for is Les Miles.

Yeah... except Not.....

The ONLY reason Bama loses last year is because Jalen is dog shit.

He didn't just lose them the game, he lost them the National Title

Can't blame Clemson's D here. They basically held Alabama to 10 points.
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Well that was completely miserable.

I really didnt think this years team was remotely as good as last years but it still sucks to lose to bama.
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So basically what I have read from the press is that the SEC is great because they won their playoff bowl games however you should not take the big 10's performance as meaningful becasue bowl games are not a good measurement for judgement. Also, the committee got everything right.

Checks out.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

So basically what I have read from the press is that the SEC is great because they won their playoff bowl games however you should not take the big 10's performance as meaningful becasue bowl games are not a good measurement for judgement. Also, the committee got everything right.

Checks out.

Basically this. I still think the SEC in general is overrated with Georgia and Alabama being better than I gave them credit for

It is also a travesty that UCF weren't given the chance at the playoffs. They beat the team who beat both the finalists so nobody can say they were out of their depth. Would they have won? Probably not but for me it ruins the legitimacy of the eventual champion through no fault of their own. We have a huge gaping gap between season end and bowl games to sort this shit out with an extra game if there's any doubt. They could have played Alabama in that period for that 4 slot. Of course it wouldn't ever happen but theoretically it's possible when there's a question mark.

What more can UCF do? Be in a power 5 conference? They tried that and the Big 12 got cold feet and cancelled the whole thing. Play a stronger out of conference? That is planned years in advance and no big teams are going to want to schedule UCF now. Win more? They have a Fiesta Bowl and Peach Bowl win in the last 4 seasons which is better than a ton of marquee schools in the same time period.

The system sucks for non power 5 schools as they can't get into a power 5 even when they want to and they can't consistently stay good because recruiting is so much harder especially when the power 5 come calling for your coach after a good season

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

So basically what I have read from the press is that the SEC is great because they won their playoff bowl games however you should not take the big 10's performance as meaningful becasue bowl games are not a good measurement for judgement. Also, the committee got everything right.

Checks out.

Bowl games aren't a good measure overall because

1: some teams don't care
2: some players don't play
3: some teams are either losing their staff or using interim.

And in the case of some (the Big 10 this year). The had advantages in every single game (except Cotton, that one was a fair match up)

2 loss in conference Northwestern played 500 Kentucky for Christ sakes and still should have lost...

1 loss (barely) Wisconsin played a 2 loss Miami team that got dump trucked their last 2 games

2 loss Penn St. played a fraud team from Washington.

So congrats for standing by as USC killed themseleves. That's the only game they played I remeotely care about.

No one is sitting out of the playoffs, no one is disappointed to be in the playoffs, they playoffs are a true and fair judge.

And that judge says.

SEC: National Champions
Big 10: ZERO points in 3 years.

Don't worry guys. MWC would definitely still be saying Bowl games don't matter if the SEC was undefeated in them.
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kevwaffles posted...

Don't worry guys. MWC would definitely still be saying Bowl games don't matter if the SEC was undefeated in them.

Well, yeah....

Cause 2 of those games were the playoff.

The Sugar BOWL and the Rose BOWL....

If we went 2-8 (and make no mistake we tried) and those 2 games were Monday night we'd still be BY FAR the best, and PAC 12 and Big 10 are completely irrelevant.

Congrats to the Big 12 and ACC for at least showing up.

SEC are national champions because they got in.

Unbeaten team beats nobody all year then loses to a 2 loss Top 5 team in their final season game. Applies to both Alabama and Wisconsin, difference is Alabama got in despite Wisconsin's loss coming in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play. Both have similar SOS on websites that I checked.

Do I think Wisconsin should have been in? Not really but neither should Alabama.

ShatteredElysium posted...

SEC are national champions because they got in.

Unbeaten team beats nobody all year then loses to a 2 loss Top 5 team in their final season game. Applies to both Alabama and Wisconsin, difference is Alabama got in despite Wisconsin's loss coming in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play. Both have similar SOS on websites that I checked.

Do I think Wisconsin should have been in? Not really but neither should Alabama.

Bama should be in.....

I know fans for "some" reason (read delusion) have convinced themselves of all these magical criteria for the committee. But that isn't their job. Their job is to find the 4 best teams.... period. If all 4 teams are from one conference, great. Conference affiliation shouldn't matter, Championships shouldn't matter, SOS shouldn't matter, SoR should barely matter. All that matters are the 4 best teams in the country. Of which Bama was clearly one. And OSU and Wisky were not. It really is as simple as the eye test. Bama trucked everyone, and physically dominated. OSU got obliterated by Iowa, and Wisky looked unimpressive against teams like Michigan.

Those are things the committee noticed.

Everyone is treating THE PLAYOFF like its #1 seeds in the NCAA tourney. Those are done by merit, not the 4 best teams because 64 other teams make it, you aren't selecting the entire field. Somewhere in that group of 1-8 seeds you will have the 4 best teams. They aren't selected the same way because they shouldn't be. A 1 seed is an honor, but in the end doesn't mean anything for you winning it all, it a 3 seed was better but maybe lost early in the year to St Mary's you can "punish" then with a lower seed and they still have a chance to win it all. For the playoff you have to get the 4 best and nothing else matters because ONLY they can win it all.

I don't care that Alabama are from the SEC. From body of work they didn't deserve it. Their resume wasn't good and they lost their only match against meaningful opposition which is the same as Wisconsin except Wisconsin's loss was closer and in a conference title game Bama didn't play in.

They also have the same number of ranked wins as UCF and that's being generous imo since Miss State were only borderline ranked and USF inexplicably are not.

ShatteredElysium posted...

I don't care that Alabama are from the SEC. From body of work they didn't deserve it. Their resume wasn't good and they lost their only match against meaningful opposition which is the same as Wisconsin except Wisconsin's loss was closer and in a conference title game Bama didn't play in.

They also have the same number of ranked wins as UCF and that's being generous imo since Miss State were only borderline ranked and USF inexplicably are not.

Body of work doesn't matter.

The criteria isn't the 4 most deserving teams. It's 4 best.

I thought I was being pretty clear in the fact I didn't consider Alabama a top 4 team at selection time because they weren't.

It's not like I'm saying UCF with hindsight. I put my money where my mouth is and bet on UCF to beat Auburn outright, not even with the 11 point spread

ChampionCloud posted...

Body of work doesn't matter.

So why doesn't Alabama just forfeit all their games?
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THEDavyJones posted...

ChampionCloud posted...

Body of work doesn't matter.

So why doesn't Alabama just forfeit all their games?

You have to look impressivene on the field to so the committee sees you are one of the 4 best...

ShatteredElysium posted...

I thought I was being pretty clear in the fact I didn't consider Alabama a top 4 team at selection time because they weren't.

It's not like I'm saying UCF with hindsight. I put my money where my mouth is and bet on UCF to beat Auburn outright, not even with the 11 point spread

I mean... pretty clearly they were. Unless you think Clemson isn't any good eithe...

But at that time we are at a place where only Georgia and UCF are good teams in the country...

ChampionCloud posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

ChampionCloud posted...

Body of work doesn't matter.

So why doesn't Alabama just forfeit all their games?

You have to look impressivene on the field to so the committee sees you are one of the 4 best...

But they weren't impressive. They played nobody and got beat down by a team that finished 10-4.
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THEDavyJones posted...

ChampionCloud posted...

THEDavyJones posted...

ChampionCloud posted...

Body of work doesn't matter.

So why doesn't Alabama just forfeit all their games?

You have to look impressivene on the field to so the committee sees you are one of the 4 best...

But they weren't impressive. They played nobody and got beat down by a team that finished 10-4.

They were.

They beat every team they played except LSU and Auburn by 40.

There is no shame in losing to a top 5 Auburn on the road.

Ask Georgia...

They beat Miss State by 7 on an end of game TD after being down in the 4th. They also only beat A&M by 8

Bama had 3 40+ point wins. Mercer, Ole Miss and Vanderbilt.

From November onwards (i.e crunch time) they did not remotely looked way worse than early season

ShatteredElysium posted...

They beat Miss State by 7 on an end of game TD after being down in the 4th. They also only beat A&M by 8.

Should be obvious I was exaggerating, I think they only beat 2 teams by actual 40....

It was more the point of how supremely impressive they looked overall that got them in.

Yeah, playing garbage teams.

They got in because they were Alabama, let's just be honest about it.
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Except against real opposition they didn't look impressive. They didn't play a ranked team until November. In their 3 games against ranked opposition in November they beat LSU, very narrowly squeaked past Miss State and then got beaten by Auburn.

Prior to November they had the Baylor schedule of the last few years of beating up on bad teams.

TheRock1525 posted...

Yeah, playing garbage teams.

They got in because they were Alabama, let's just be honest about it.

They got in because all that matters (or should) is who you lose to. Once again, don't give a fuck who you beat. All teams that high can beat great teams. But who do you sick enough to drop a game to.

Losing to Iowa St is a joke.
Losing to Iowa is bad, getting dominated is disqulification.
And losing to Syracuse should mean you don't get to play for the rest of the season.

ChampionCloud posted...

Once again, don't give a fuck who you beat.

ChampionCloud posted...

You have to look impressivene on the field to so the committee sees you are one of the 4 best...

Ok.
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TheRock1525 posted...

ChampionCloud posted...

Once again, don't give a fuck who you beat.

ChampionCloud posted...

You have to look impressivene on the field to so the committee sees you are one of the 4 best...

Ok.

Who you beat and looking impressive aren't necessarily the same thing, I apologize you can't see that.

So if you impressively beat 12 local youth football league teams, you should get into the playoffs.
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"God damn, Alabama is really manhandling these 10 year olds. Some might question why Saban scheduled them but since the committee has decided that SOS is completely irrelevant, he's decided to schedule the most cupcake schedule in the history of man."
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You should see me play the pee wee football leagues. Those stupid little kids can't stop me worth shit.
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UCF lost to nobody
Wisconsin narrowly lost to Ohio State in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play

TheRock1525 posted...

So if you impressively beat 12 local youth football league teams, you should get into the playoffs.

You couldn't schedule that

ShatteredElysium posted...

UCF lost to nobody
Wisconsin narrowly lost to Ohio State in an extra game Alabama didn't have to play

I wouldn't have had no problem whatsoever with UGa, Bama, UCF and Wisky/OUpersonally...

Disqualifying Clemson for Syracuse. And OSU for Iowa

But that was never gonna happen.

I'll just point out that Penn State lost 2 games late in the 4th quarter to ranked teams that won their playoff games by a total of 4 points. Both games were on the road and one was a weird flowing game where it was delayed midway for a few hours. They very well could be the best team in the nation.

My point is that there are a lot of very good football programs in the country and limiting the playoffs to 4 is asinine.
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ChampionCloud posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

So if you impressively beat 12 local youth football league teams, you should get into the playoffs.

You couldn't schedule that

Thanks for that, Luster.
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It should have been Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, UCF. This was the ideal year to put in a non power 5 too where there was no clear 4th team.

The real problem is the format sucks. 4 is not enough teams. How many seeding upsets have we had? Quite a few. So it's clear that anyone in the top 4 can usually beat each other. And virtually every year there has been a debate around that 4th spot so the 5th and 6th teams probably had a shot too