Current Events > So... Apparently ISIS lost nearly all of its territories and fighters this year

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SGT_Conti posted...

Doesn't collateral damage just feed more anti-American sentiment and drive people to join or form more groups like ISIS? It sounds like it's just kicking the can down the road.

As opposed to "why isn't the all powerful America doing anything to help? Bunch of hypocrites!"
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Good
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

Cause Trump switched from Bush and Obamas method of war of attrition to war of Annihilation. Instead of running them from one stronghold to another, we now surround and kill. Extermination is too good for them but it's the best we can do.

It has drastically increased the number of civilian casualties.

Oh well

Disgusting.

You'd rather let terrorists remain in power and continue to kill people?

Kill enough civilians and you save them the trouble.
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That's ISIL. Archer had that shit first. Mallory will have your ass if you keep calling the terrorists ISIS.

Arming Syrian rebels and prolonging a senseless genocidal war for over a decade apparently doesn't result in civilian casualties if you're a Democrat.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Arming Syrian rebels and prolonging a senseless genocidal war for over a decade apparently doesn't result in civilian casualties if you're a Democrat.

Dumb strawman
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fuck ISIS for taking a good name and making it smeared just like what Hitler did to the original swastika.....

I feel bad for girls named Isis.

Admirals solution to saving civilians is killing civilians to stop the enemy from killing them

Sounds plausible
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I'm all for giving the Kurds credit - hell, I'm part Kurdish myself - but the US significantly helped. They couldn't have done it without US air support and funding, even if in the end the US has shown itself to be an unreliable ally that doesn't have interest in Kurdish aims like statehood or protecting them from Turkey.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

CNN will never make a big deal about anything that could potentially give Trump credit. They're just as juvenile and asshurt as users on this board.

The real question is are they as juvenile and asshurt as the Trump fanboys who spend their days constantly bitching about how the media and specifically CNN, is "unfair to Trump."

Because it's clear that despite him and them hating places like CNN they really want their praise more than anything

You must really have a hate boner for Trump if you can't see that CNN is biased. I bet you're one of those guys to call out Fox News on its biases, too.

It's pretty obvious most liberals these days don't care about the truth, they care about making Trump and Republicans look bad first and foremost.
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And apparently we give Obama a lot of credit for when the SEALs took out bin Laden, but when it comes to ISIS being taken out IT WAS ALL DA KURDS GUYZ
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a42ozslushie posted...

And apparently we give Obama a lot of credit for when the SEALs took out bin Laden, but when it comes to ISIS being taken out IT WAS ALL DA KURDS GUYZ

This.
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creativerealms posted...

So basically Trump is getting credit for the finishing blow even though ISIS was already on it's death bed?

That's not the case but if it were, no different than Obama getting credit for Bin Laden's death after Bush handled the legwork.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Obama but yes, he deserved credit for approving the Bin Laden mission. He was basically violating the sovereignty of an allied nation and not everyone would have done that. McCain criticized him in the 2008 campaign for saying he'd go into Pakistan to take Bin Laden out, I remember watching that debate live.

Trump didn't do anything like that against ISIS. They were already losing.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Yes, primarily because of the Kurds. They're the ones that defeated ISIS, so it wasn't covered here.

What!!!! My people are the ones that fucked up isis!!!

REALLY!!

Like for real for real?
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What did Trump even do that did ISIS in?
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

What did Trump even do that did ISIS in?

Took the handcuffs of the generals
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

What did Trump even do that did ISIS in?

The biggest help has been air support in Syria for the SDF and in Iraq for the Peshmerga and whatever the hell the Shia militias are calling themselves these days.
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creativerealms posted...

So basically Trump is getting credit for the finishing blow even though ISIS was already on it's death bed?

Pretty much. As with everything else.
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a42ozslushie posted...

And apparently we give Obama a lot of credit for when the SEALs took out bin Laden, but when it comes to ISIS being taken out IT WAS ALL DA KURDS GUYZ

Since when were the Kurds operating under direct orders from Trump?

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

DarkChozoGhost posted...

Yes, primarily because of the Kurds. They're the ones that defeated ISIS, so it wasn't covered here.

What!!!! My people are the ones that fucked up isis!!!

REALLY!!

Like for real for real?

Yes, they were the backbone of the fight. And more. Turkish Kurds included.
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creativerealms posted...

So basically Trump is getting credit for the finishing blow even though ISIS was already on it's death bed?

The finishing blow was dealt by Iraqi forces that were supported and prepared during Obama's tenure.
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A Republican could take a dump in a toilet and there would be some Democrats who'd claim that it was really Obama's turd.
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for a doctor, you sure spend a lot of time shitposting about babby's first politics

Well, Gen. Mattis' first day in the Pentagon had him bomb 31 iirc ISIS bases. So yeah, they weren't long for this world.
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I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep
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itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.
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Darkman124 posted...

https://tinyurl.com/y75ecskh
(wapo)

trump didn't actually alter the obama strategy against ISIS significantly and most of the war had already been won. the removal of 'escape routes' is not what broke ISIS' back. that had already been done and their territorial holdings and materiel were rapidly shrinking prior to trump assuming office

There is no doubt that the Trump administration followed the basic strategy set in place by the Obama administration, said Michael Morell, former deputy director of the CIA. There is no doubt that Obama would have gotten where Trump is at this moment as well.

Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies dismissed land as a fairly useless metric given most of the territory is desert. But he said other metrics, such as air power, also bolstered the case that Obama had done more.

According to Cordesmans calculations, coalition forces have flown 63,758 sorties, of which 23 percent were flown under Trump. As for air munitions used, coalition forces dropped 65,731 in 2014-2016 versus 36,351 in 2017. That amounts to 36 percent under Trump.

Obama set up virtually all the structure that did the key fighting under Trump, Cordesman said. He attributed Trumps claims of dramatic success as akin to saying nothing happened in Europe until the allies in the West crossed the Rhine and entered Germany on March 7, 1945.

Obama fashioned the strategy, the alliances and assembled the forces to destroy the caliphate, but the culmination of the process has occurred on Trumps watch, said Bruce Reidel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Its a good example of Trump keeping Obama policy basically intact, not dramatically altering it. Now the territorial battle is coming to a close and the much harder ideological conflict is still to be won; that is Trumps challenge.

by the time trump took office much of ISIS' power had already been broken:

dec 2016


june 2017:


sorry for potato quality, globalcoalition.org has shitty images

the bulk of their troop losses occurred during the siege of mosul, which also started prior to trump's assuming office

you guys need to stop making shit up. virtually every person with authority and knowledge of the war is saying the same thing: Trump is following Obama's strategy.

but yes CNN tends not to cover international news much at all

Everyone just kinda ignored this post
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The strategy was logistics support to regional ground forces while also providing them air support, no? I wasn't aware that had changed any.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.

I can't sleep due to pain.

Does that make it better?
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Wariodorf posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Darkman124 posted...

https://tinyurl.com/y75ecskh
(wapo)

trump didn't actually alter the obama strategy against ISIS significantly and most of the war had already been won. the removal of 'escape routes' is not what broke ISIS' back. that had already been done and their territorial holdings and materiel were rapidly shrinking prior to trump assuming office

There is no doubt that the Trump administration followed the basic strategy set in place by the Obama administration, said Michael Morell, former deputy director of the CIA. There is no doubt that Obama would have gotten where Trump is at this moment as well.

Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies dismissed land as a fairly useless metric given most of the territory is desert. But he said other metrics, such as air power, also bolstered the case that Obama had done more.

According to Cordesmans calculations, coalition forces have flown 63,758 sorties, of which 23 percent were flown under Trump. As for air munitions used, coalition forces dropped 65,731 in 2014-2016 versus 36,351 in 2017. That amounts to 36 percent under Trump.

Obama set up virtually all the structure that did the key fighting under Trump, Cordesman said. He attributed Trumps claims of dramatic success as akin to saying nothing happened in Europe until the allies in the West crossed the Rhine and entered Germany on March 7, 1945.

Obama fashioned the strategy, the alliances and assembled the forces to destroy the caliphate, but the culmination of the process has occurred on Trumps watch, said Bruce Reidel, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Its a good example of Trump keeping Obama policy basically intact, not dramatically altering it. Now the territorial battle is coming to a close and the much harder ideological conflict is still to be won; that is Trumps challenge.

by the time trump took office much of ISIS' power had already been broken:

dec 2016


june 2017:


sorry for potato quality, globalcoalition.org has shitty images

the bulk of their troop losses occurred during the siege of mosul, which also started prior to trump's assuming office

you guys need to stop making shit up. virtually every person with authority and knowledge of the war is saying the same thing: Trump is following Obama's strategy.

but yes CNN tends not to cover international news much at all

Everyone just kinda ignored this post

It didn't fit the conservative narrative

It's exactly the same argument Conservatives made about torture when Obama got Bin Laden.

At some point you'd think people would realize that both sides are so full of crap that is not worth supporting either.
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itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.

I can't sleep due to pain.

Does that make it better?

The problem is that if it also requires something like Benadryl on top of a narcotic, and you're still having trouble, you're likely to escalate to a benzodiazepine and that's when things go really south.
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@Coffeebeanz

Hey doc I got a weird problem.

I have the symptoms of a UTI (well mostly just intense pain when I urinate), however, there's no signs of infection in me (got tested), and definitely not an STD, so I'm a bit confused as to what it is.

This is the second time this year something like this happened. Happened the first time back in September and took about a week for my willy to go back to being pain free.
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Balanitis or intra-urethral irritation. If your urinalysis is negative, it's most likely one of the above. Pain with urination suggests swelling of the urethra - especially in men.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.

I can't sleep due to pain.

Does that make it better?

The problem is that if it also requires something like Benadryl on top of a narcotic, and you're still having trouble, you're likely to escalate to a benzodiazepine and that's when things go really south.

I'm already on benzos. I just don't like to take them after this much Benadryl, or for sleep in general.
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Not to embarrass you, but the most common cause of urethral irritation in males in the 20s and 30s is too much masturbation.
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Interesting, I'll look into those then. Thanks a bunch.

Definitely not the masturbation lol. I maybe do it about once or twice a week at most.
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itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.

I can't sleep due to pain.

Does that make it better?

The problem is that if it also requires something like Benadryl on top of a narcotic, and you're still having trouble, you're likely to escalate to a benzodiazepine and that's when things go really south.

I'm already on benzos. I just don't like to take them after this much Benadryl, or for sleep in general.

I don't say this often, but if a doctor has you on benzodiazepines and opioids and you're under 50, you probably have a doctor who doesn't give a damn about you. It's not your fault - you're just someone who needed help. But this is why we have such an overdose epidemic - careless doctors who won't take the time to actually address the underlying medical problems associated with pain and anxiety.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

itachi15243 posted...

I forgot TC was a doctor.

Hey doc, I'm about to take one of my (prescribed) perc tens to knock myself out after about 15 Benadryl over the last 3 hours.

Will I be able to sleep

Everything about what you're doing is a bad idea. On the bright side, at least Benadryl isn't a respiratory depressant. It's more a bad idea in that taking a narcotic for that sort of thing is a sign that things are going downhill.

I can't sleep due to pain.

Does that make it better?

The problem is that if it also requires something like Benadryl on top of a narcotic, and you're still having trouble, you're likely to escalate to a benzodiazepine and that's when things go really south.

I'm already on benzos. I just don't like to take them after this much Benadryl, or for sleep in general.

I don't say this often, but if a doctor has you on benzodiazepines and opioids and you're under 50, you probably have a doctor who doesn't give a damn about you. It's not your fault - you're just someone who needed help. But this is why we have such an overdose epidemic - careless doctors who won't take the time to actually address the underlying medical problems associated with pain and anxiety.

I've had three major pituitary tumors and a few bouts of radiation. I've been told that there's basically nothing else they can do for me.

I genuinely wonder if you disagree though. Some of my doctor's do, but have no better solution.
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Do you have MEN2? Man that's awful. Were they prolactinomas or something else?
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Do you have MEN2? Man that's awful. Were they prolactinomas or something else?

Luckily not that horrible. An adenoma and two Craniopharyngiomas or whatever . Not cancerous, just painful.

I've been told that after the adenoma that from a psychological aspect, the benzos can't due much more harm. I dunno if I believe that though
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Yeah, and pussy Trudeau is welcoming some of them back with open arms. Hell, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if he just let the non-Canadian ones in too and offered them all taxpayer cash and a hand job.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Yeah, and pussy Trudeau is welcoming some of them back with open arms.

source
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most of this was done by the Syrian army with Russian air support.
Americas role was secondary.
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Thanks Trump!
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So trump didn't really do anything and his supporters are lapping up his lies?
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LightningAce11 posted...

So trump didn't really do anything and his supporters are lapping up his lies?

Just two sides having a pissing contest while the military gets work done.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

What did Trump even do that did ISIS in?

Took the handcuffs of the generals

But he said he knows more about the is than they do. Why would he take the cuffs off?

Also he said he would destroy is in 30 days and he didn't deliver. Why?
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When all this is said and done. Why does this even matter?


If ISIS is really crippled at the moment. Then thank you Obama and Trump. No thanks to you, Bush. Either way. A new prominent terrorist group will likely prop up in the coming years.

Kill someones family member(s). Expect revengeance in the name of religion. Always..
(the glass half empty)
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