Current Events > To me, the dumbest part of The Last Jedi was.... (Spoilers)

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Finn and Rose are more or less directly responsible for the destruction of 95%+ of the Rebellion because they brought along the wrong guy (knowingly, too).

What bugs me, though, is how that annoying purple haired admiral is so fucking smug about her secret plan. If she had just told someone else that the plan was to stall for time, Poe, Finn and Rose wouldn't have gone to that stupid casino planet in the first place.

So in a roundabout way that the movie doesn't address, Poe was actually right the whole time. The admiral is an idiot and her secrecy cost them everything. Yet the movie isn't self aware enough to realize it.
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Superman Leia was pretty stupid too.

don't worry, the next movie will have a Benicio Del Toro redemption arc, which will help topple the First Order
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Yeah, no. That's not how the military works. She didn't need to tell them cause she's the fucking Admiral.

The dumbest part of the movie is the fact that Poe had a fucking armed mutiny and his plan ultimately led to the deaths of tons of people (unintentional, but still happened), yet he got pretty much no punishment, and the Admiral afterwards was literally like "He's a troublemaker... I like him."

Bull shit, if that happened in literally any chain of command, Poe would either be dead or locked up.
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They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works. She didn't need to tell them cause she's the fucking Admiral.

The dumbest part of the movie is the fact that Poe had a fucking armed mutiny and his plan ultimately led to the deaths of tons of people (unintentional, but still happened), yet he got pretty much no punishment, and the Admiral afterwards was literally like "He's a troublemaker... I like him."

Bull shit, if that happened in literally any chain of command, Poe would either be dead or locked up.

By this logic Han Solo would have been locked up by the resistance.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works. She didn't need to tell them cause she's the fucking Admiral.

The dumbest part of the movie is the fact that Poe had a fucking armed mutiny and his plan ultimately led to the deaths of tons of people (unintentional, but still happened), yet he got pretty much no punishment, and the Admiral afterwards was literally like "He's a troublemaker... I like him."

Bull shit, if that happened in literally any chain of command, Poe would either be dead or locked up.

Relieving someone of command for recklessly endangering the troops is not mutiny. From the perspective of the crew, they're watching all the other vessels slowly getting picked off while the admiral twiddles her thumbs.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works. She didn't need to tell them cause she's the fucking Admiral.

The dumbest part of the movie is the fact that Poe had a fucking armed mutiny and his plan ultimately led to the deaths of tons of people (unintentional, but still happened), yet he got pretty much no punishment, and the Admiral afterwards was literally like "He's a troublemaker... I like him."

Bull shit, if that happened in literally any chain of command, Poe would either be dead or locked up.

By this logic Han Solo would have been locked up by the resistance.

When did Han Solo lead an armed mutiny?
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WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works.

by this time it is clear the resistance is little more than a ragtag bunch of freedom fighters

i don't think they have the time for proper military protocol
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WafflehouseJK posted...

When did Han Solo lead an armed mutiny?

He Betrayed the chain of command every single time he did anything. He was just a dude goofing around and saving the day.

"He's a troublemaker, I like him" was literally the unspoken reason he was kept around.
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einegutePerson posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works.

by this time it is clear the resistance is little more than a ragtag bunch of freedom fighters

i don't think they have the time for proper military protocol

They don't even really have a coherent chain of command
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einegutePerson posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Yeah, no. That's not how the military works.

by this time it is clear the resistance is little more than a ragtag bunch of freedom fighters

i don't think they have the time for proper military protocol

I suppose that's fair, but Holdo afterwards just being like "Ahh, he's fine, he's just a troublemaker" seemed dumb as fuck to me.

Like, it would have been better if Holdo wanted to punish him, but Leia was like "Nah, we need him still", since Leia would be more likely to see the bigger picture.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

When did Han Solo lead an armed mutiny?

He Betrayed the chain of command every single time he did anything. He was just a dude goofing around and saving the day.

"He's a troublemaker, I like him" was literally the unspoken reason he was kept around.

Um, no? He was an ACTUAL troublemaker, yeah, but he almost never actually broke the chain of command, and by the later films he was an incredibly high ranking member of the Rebellion anyways.

And being a "troublemaker" is nowhere NEAR the same thing as an actual mutiny.
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The whole plot with the rebel fleet reminded me alot of the very first episode of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?
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WafflehouseJK posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

When did Han Solo lead an armed mutiny?

He Betrayed the chain of command every single time he did anything. He was just a dude goofing around and saving the day.

"He's a troublemaker, I like him" was literally the unspoken reason he was kept around.

Um, no? He was an ACTUAL troublemaker, yeah, but he almost never actually broke the chain of command, and by the later films he was an incredibly high ranking member of the Rebellion anyways.

And being a "troublemaker" is nowhere NEAR the same thing as an actual mutiny.

pre much

i felt like the whole of the command was incompetent
nobody made a good decision (not that there were many available to make)

which is why you shouldn't have women in ch--**GETS SHOT**
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CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.

Dying because of the plan that Poe and Finn fucked up. The plan that would have worked had it not been for Poe and Finn playing hero.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.

But he too was responsible for quite a few deaths, was a much lower rank, and had just been heavily reprimanded and demoted by Leia, their highest ranking and most influential person.

No one outside of Finn should have listened to him, Finn only listening because they were buds.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.

But he too was responsible for quite a few deaths, was a much lower rank, and had just been heavily reprimanded and demoted by Leia, their highest ranking and most influential person.

No one outside of Finn should have listened to him, Finn only listening because they were buds.

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.
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He also successfully led the attack on Starkiller and avoided the destruction of the entire Resistance and the reason Luke's whereabouts were found. You don't just lock up someone like that unless he's really fucked up.
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I swear the hate the Last Jedi is getting is about as ridiculous as it could possibly get

The people that criticize the movie because the resistance fails? Like is it possible to please anyone ever?

If this movie was another resistance has an impossible plan and it all falls into place without a hitch people would complain how formulaic it is.

I fucking love the chances they took in this movie. I love that the resistance fails. A lot.

It was so interesting to watch because I never knew where it was going to take me. Which is exactly what a movie should do. Its why people fell in love with the franchise back in the day. Once the dust clears this movie will be remembered in a good light. After all the whiny man children have had their say.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.

But he too was responsible for quite a few deaths, was a much lower rank, and had just been heavily reprimanded and demoted by Leia, their highest ranking and most influential person.

No one outside of Finn should have listened to him, Finn only listening because they were buds.

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

The thing is though, that kinda leads into its own issues. Seemingly no one else gave a shit. Even with the mutiny, wasn't it just Poe and like, 4 random ass dudes? Everyone else just kinda kept doing their own thing.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

They should have listened to Poe in the first place and told the Admiral to fuck off.

The movie literally starts with Poe being responsible for the death of countless lives and the loss of their bombers. Why the fuck should anyone listen to him or clue him in on plans?

Because, as someone else said, the Admiral was standing around with her thumb up her ass while everyone around them was dying.

But he too was responsible for quite a few deaths, was a much lower rank, and had just been heavily reprimanded and demoted by Leia, their highest ranking and most influential person.

No one outside of Finn should have listened to him, Finn only listening because they were buds.

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

The thing is though, that kinda leads into its own issues. Seemingly no one else gave a shit. Even with the mutiny, wasn't it just Poe and like, 4 random ass dudes? Everyone else just kinda kept doing their own thing.

And? 4 people doing something is better than hundreds doing nothing.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

But the Admiral was doing something, she just refused to let Poe know the plan because he'd proven himself to be a liability which was further proven when he threw a mutiny.
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CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

But the Admiral was doing something, she just refused to let Poe know the plan because he'd proven himself to be a liability which was further proven when he threw a mutiny.

Even something as simple as "I have a plan" would've likely sufficed.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

But the Admiral was doing something, she just refused to let Poe know the plan because he'd proven himself to be a liability which was further proven when he threw a mutiny.

Even something as simple as "I have a plan" would've likely sufficed.

She was placed in charge by Leia, the only person actively having issues with her was Poe. She had no reason to explain herself to him.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Just saying, the mutiny was justified. Not saying Poe was a great guy, but in that moment, I'd go with anyone other than the person doing nothing (Admiral) if I were on the ship.

But the Admiral was doing something, she just refused to let Poe know the plan because he'd proven himself to be a liability which was further proven when he threw a mutiny.

Even something as simple as "I have a plan" would've likely sufficed.

Again, that's not how the military works. She didn't even have to say that much. She probably should have, it's what a good leader would have done, but she didn't have to either.
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