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1NfamousACE_2
12/23/17 6:34:34 PM
#305:


Will he be having sex with Patroclus in this?
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 6:41:14 PM
#306:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
face palm*

You rea.. *double face palm*

You realize that American is a title not an ethnicity like German or Greek right? We're talking about actual ancestry not where you were born.


Like you claiming to be white?


I don't claim that. I'm mixed but partake in mostly white interests because i love Europe and have white family.
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 6:43:37 PM
#307:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I don't claim that. I'm mixed but partake in mostly white interests because i love Europe and have white family.


Yes you do. It's been seen on here tons of times. But thanks for proving my point.
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Kineth
12/23/17 6:44:59 PM
#308:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I don't claim that. I'm mixed but partake in mostly white interests because i love Europe and have white family.


Yes you do. It's been seen on here tons of times. But thanks for proving my point.


Isn't it weird how cowardly white supremacists are when you call them out on their shit?
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 6:49:40 PM
#309:


Kineth posted...
Isn't it weird how cowardly white supremacists are when you call them out on their shit?


But remember, how can he be a white supremacist when he's not white? Understandable he's trying to pretend that he is, but they wouldn't even look his way.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 6:51:36 PM
#310:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I don't claim that. I'm mixed but partake in mostly white interests because i love Europe and have white family.


Yes you do. It's been seen on here tons of times. But thanks for proving my point.


The farthest i went was claiming that i look white and pass for white easily. I'm aware I'm mixed.

Regardless of that though, this isn't about me, we're arguing over whether one ethnic group can claim to be another ethnic group.

You have failed to convince anybody of that.
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 6:59:13 PM
#311:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
The farthest i went was claiming that i look white and pass for white easily. I'm aware I'm mixed.

Regardless of that though, this isn't about me, we're arguing over whether one ethnic group can claim to be another ethnic group.

You have failed to convince anybody of that.


No. You always claim your "white side". You never claimed your "other side". Hell, you never even mention it. All it is with you is, "I'm half white", my white side".

And once again, I've already did prove my point. Just because you refuse to accept it, doesn't mean it's not true. The proof is right there. There were/are some black Greeks. You don't want to accept that.
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LightningAce11
12/23/17 7:00:08 PM
#312:


These ropics are fun because they show the hypocrisy of right wingers about fake outrage.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 7:02:53 PM
#313:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
The farthest i went was claiming that i look white and pass for white easily. I'm aware I'm mixed.

Regardless of that though, this isn't about me, we're arguing over whether one ethnic group can claim to be another ethnic group.

You have failed to convince anybody of that.


No. You always claim your "white side". You never claimed your "other side". Hell, you never even mention it. All it is with you is, "I'm half white", my white side".

And once again, I've already did prove my point. Just because you refuse to accept it, doesn't mean it's not true. The proof is right there. There were/are some black Greeks by title. You don't want to accept that.


I'm glad we agree.
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 7:05:16 PM
#314:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
The farthest i went was claiming that i look white and pass for white easily. I'm aware I'm mixed.

Regardless of that though, this isn't about me, we're arguing over whether one ethnic group can claim to be another ethnic group.

You have failed to convince anybody of that.


No. You always claim your "white side". You never claimed your "other side". Hell, you never even mention it. All it is with you is, "I'm half white", my white side".

And once again, I've already did prove my point. Just because you refuse to accept it, doesn't mean it's not true. The proof is right there. There were/are some black Greeks by title. You don't want to accept that.


I'm glad we agree.


By birth. Not by "title". Stop looking stupid for once. (I know it's hard to do, but please try).

But aren't you white "by title"?
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 7:17:46 PM
#315:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
The farthest i went was claiming that i look white and pass for white easily. I'm aware I'm mixed.

Regardless of that though, this isn't about me, we're arguing over whether one ethnic group can claim to be another ethnic group.

You have failed to convince anybody of that.


No. You always claim your "white side". You never claimed your "other side". Hell, you never even mention it. All it is with you is, "I'm half white", my white side".

And once again, I've already did prove my point. Just because you refuse to accept it, doesn't mean it's not true. The proof is right there. There were/are some black Greeks by title. You don't want to accept that.


I'm glad we agree.


By birth. Not by "title". Stop looking stupid for once. (I know it's hard to do, but please try).

But aren't you white "by title"?


Lol. When you're born in a country, you inherit that countries name/title as yours. So if you for example were born in greece you will be greek. In Germany, you will be German. In Japan, you will be Japanese.

But unless your ancestry is Greek, German or Japanese, you can't be those ethnic people. A black person of African ancestry can never be a Greek person of Greek ancestry.

Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 7:20:19 PM
#316:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
But unless your ancestry is Greek, German or Japanese, you can't be ETHNICALLY any of those. A black person of African ancestry can never be a Greek person of Greek ancestry.


Their ancestry can be traced back to ancient Greece. They were born in Greece, and they are Greek. Understandable you don't want to accept that, but that is the facts.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 7:23:06 PM
#317:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
But unless your ancestry is Greek, German or Japanese, you can't be ETHNICALLY any of those. A black person of African ancestry can never be a Greek person of Greek ancestry.


Their ancestry can be traced back to ancient Greece. They were born in Greece, and they are Greek. Understandable you don't want to accept that, but that is the facts.


Oh ok so being 1/16 Greek makes a black person just as Greek as a 100% greek.

I guess i'm just as German as every German in Germany because i have some German DNA that amounts to like 5%.

*eye roll*
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s0nicfan
12/23/17 7:23:12 PM
#318:


What an astonishing little aside that has nothing to do with whether a historically white figure can be cast as a black man.
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Dyinglegacy
12/23/17 7:26:17 PM
#319:


Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*
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StarKnight23
12/23/17 7:33:46 PM
#320:


BBC

Hehe
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 7:38:12 PM
#321:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Oh ok so being 1/16 Greek makes a black person just as Greek as a 100% greek.

I guess i'm just as German as every German in Germany because i have some German DNA that amounts to like 5%.

*eye roll*


I see you're missing the point. (as usual). Once again, they were born in Greece. They can trace their ancestory back to ancient Greece. They still stay in Greece. They are Greek by birth, not by "title"., Why can't you understand that?

Btw" do you consider yourself white "by title" or birth?
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 7:44:52 PM
#322:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Oh ok so being 1/16 Greek makes a black person just as Greek as a 100% greek.

I guess i'm just as German as every German in Germany because i have some German DNA that amounts to like 5%.

*eye roll*


I see you're missing the point. (as usual). Once again, they were born in Greece. They can trace their ancestory back to ancient Greece. They still stay in Greece. They are Greek by birth, not by "title"., Why can't you understand that?

Btw" do you consider yourself white "by title" or birth?


Again you're missing the point. Being born in greece does not make you an ethnic Greek person unless you have Greek ancestry. And I'm not talking about 4% ancestry because that's insignificant. You need to have a lot of it otherwise you're mixed like me.

By your logic, am i just as German as a pure German just because i have a tiny tiny percentage of German DNA? Because for the last time I'm talking about DNA not birth location.

I don't consider myself white, I'm mixed.
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iPhone_7
12/23/17 7:47:21 PM
#323:


Fake outrage
Fake news
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 7:49:04 PM
#324:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Again you're missing the point. Being born in greece does not make you an ethnic Greek person unless you have Greek ancestry.


And guess what, THEY CAN PROVE THEIR ANCESTRY TO ANCIENT GREECE!!! Let me guess, you didn't even read the article did you?
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GreatEvilEmpire
12/23/17 7:51:41 PM
#325:


If a black man can play Achilles, then a white man can play the Black Panther.
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1NfamousACE_2
12/23/17 7:58:49 PM
#326:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
If a black man can play Achilles, then a white man can play the Black Panther.


lol
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s0nicfan
12/23/17 8:09:19 PM
#327:


https://www.quora.com/What-did-Achilles-look-like

In the Iliad, Achilles has blonde hair ( = "she (Athena) grabbed Achilles by his blonde hair"; Iliad, 1.197). That's probably the most persistent characteristic given for him and is repeated numerous times. The word "xanth" () used here can be translated as "yellow", "fair", "golden", "blonde". Sadly, we can't be sure about the exact shade.

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Kasperia
12/23/17 8:10:16 PM
#328:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Oh ok so being 1/16 Greek makes a black person just as Greek as a 100% greek.

I guess i'm just as German as every German in Germany because i have some German DNA that amounts to like 5%.

*eye roll*


I see you're missing the point. (as usual). Once again, they were born in Greece. They can trace their ancestory back to ancient Greece. They still stay in Greece. They are Greek by birth, not by "title"., Why can't you understand that?

Btw" do you consider yourself white "by title" or birth?


Greek is not just a nationality. Greek is also an ethnicity. If I was born in England or speak English, that doesn't make me English by race or ethnicity.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 8:11:52 PM
#329:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Again you're missing the point. Being born in greece does not make you an ethnic Greek person unless you have Greek ancestry.


And guess what, THEY CAN PROVE THEIR ANCESTRY TO ANCIENT GREECE!!! Let me guess, you didn't even read the article did you?


I did read the article. Many people can trace their ancestry to far off lands. But being a tiny percentage of X ethnic group because somewhere along the line 1000+ years ago one of your ancestors had sex with a Greek person does NOT make you Greek if you're 97% Nigerian or something.

I'm not German just because countless generations ago i can trace some German ancestry. It's the way it is. Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?

You know what you might have a point. Lets take white people today with African ancestry, race/ethnic change African heroes to be played by whites who are 2% African, and when people get mad at the white washing, just say " but they're African i tell ya because they have African ancestry!"
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 8:18:36 PM
#330:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Again you're missing the point. Being born in greece does not make you an ethnic Greek person unless you have Greek ancestry.


And guess what, THEY CAN PROVE THEIR ANCESTRY TO ANCIENT GREECE!!! Let me guess, you didn't even read the article did you?


I did read the article. Many people can trace their ancestry to far off lands. But being a tiny percentage of X ethnic group because somewhere along the line 1000+ years ago one of your ancestors had sex with a Greek person does NOT make you Greek if you're 97% Nigerian or something.

I'm not German just because countless generations ago i can trace some German ancestry. It's the way it is. Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?

You know what you might have a point. Lets take white people today with African ancestry, race/ethnic change African heroes to be played by whites who are 2% African, and when people get mad at the white washing, just say " but they're African i tell ya because they have African ancestry!"


Once again, they can trace their ancestory back to Greece, they still live in Greece, they been there since ancient Greece. Greece considers them Greek. So they are Greek. I know this hurts your heart, but it's the truth.
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 8:21:08 PM
#331:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?


Shall I show you some?
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Lorenzo_2003
12/23/17 8:24:32 PM
#332:


Bishop9800 posted...

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1769


"We're Greek Muslims of African origin," Raim says. "We've never agreed on our origins. You can hear lots of versions," he says. "My grandmother was from Sudan. She spoke Arabic. I remember her sitting by the fireplace and looking for a lighter. And she said to me, 'Give me nar.' She asked me for a light, in Arabic."

Yes, Muslims and their slave armies invaded pretty much all of Europe at various times. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion, considering The Iliad (and Achilles as its hero) was written hundreds of years before all of that happened. If you include Persians (different from Arabs), it's still late in the history game.
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 8:27:21 PM
#333:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Bishop9800 posted...

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1769


"We're Greek Muslims of African origin," Raim says. "We've never agreed on our origins. You can hear lots of versions," he says. "My grandmother was from Sudan. She spoke Arabic. I remember her sitting by the fireplace and looking for a lighter. And she said to me, 'Give me nar.' She asked me for a light, in Arabic."

Yes, Muslims and their slave armies invaded pretty much all of Europe at various times. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion, considering The Iliad (and Achilles as its hero) was written hundreds of years before all of that happened. If you include Persians (different from Arabs), it's still late in the history game.


Their ancestors settled in Greece. They still live in Greece. They were born in Greece. They are Greek.
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Lorenzo_2003
12/23/17 8:31:48 PM
#334:


Bishop9800 posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Bishop9800 posted...

http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1769


"We're Greek Muslims of African origin," Raim says. "We've never agreed on our origins. You can hear lots of versions," he says. "My grandmother was from Sudan. She spoke Arabic. I remember her sitting by the fireplace and looking for a lighter. And she said to me, 'Give me nar.' She asked me for a light, in Arabic."

Yes, Muslims and their slave armies invaded pretty much all of Europe at various times. I'm not sure how that is relevant to this discussion, considering The Iliad (and Achilles as its hero) was written hundreds of years before all of that happened. If you include Persians (different from Arabs), it's still late in the history game.


Their ancestors settled in Greece. They still live in Greece. They were born in Greece. They are Greek.


Giannis Antetokounmpo, a black Greek, is my favorite NBA player and hopefully an MVP soon. Take that, liberals!
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 8:35:10 PM
#335:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?


Shall I show you some?


Yes actually i'm genuinely curious
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 8:48:47 PM
#336:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?


Shall I show you some?


Yes actually i'm genuinely curious


Peter Sara and Percy Deift comes to mind.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/23/17 9:06:14 PM
#337:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Unless you're going to tell me that pale white people today who have some African dna from generations ago are just as African as an actual ethnic person from Africa?


Shall I show you some?


Yes actually i'm genuinely curious


Peter Sara and Percy Deift comes to mind.


Ok interesting.

They would make a great Shaka Zulu.

I'm kidding lol >_>
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Bishop9800
12/23/17 9:07:08 PM
#338:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I'm kidding lol >_>


No you're not.
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ROBANN_88
12/23/17 9:13:25 PM
#339:


I don't understand why you guys are discussing present day geneology as if it's representative of the population of 12/13 century BC
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Kineth
12/23/17 10:46:50 PM
#340:


Bishop9800 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I'm kidding lol >_>


No you're not.


Kineth posted...
Isn't it weird how cowardly white supremacists are when you call them out on their shit?

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Re-iNcarnated
12/23/17 11:30:03 PM
#341:


This topic went past fucked up and kept on going.
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Funbazooka
12/23/17 11:54:19 PM
#342:


Greek mythological figures were not black, are not black. They will never be black outside of social justice revisionism.

Who knows, the series could be great otherwise but this will stick out like a sore thumb. It'll take you out of it, unless you're so young you have no awareness of Greek mythology.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/24/17 7:23:50 AM
#343:


Funbazooka posted...
Greek mythological figures were not black, are not black. They will never be black outside of social justice revisionism.

Who knows, the series could be great otherwise but this will stick out like a sore thumb. It'll take you out of it, unless you're so young you have no awareness of Greek mythology.


Lol the lengths people go to justify this is hilarious. When whitewashing happens it's bad because "you're changing our history to include yourself in it and we need accurate representation!"

When European heroes and stories go through revisionism they say "oh it's no big deal it's just a story, get over it!"

I don't understand how a Greek demigod with a Greek name, who is literally ethnic Greek and described to have white features that are core to his appearance..... can be black lol.

I'm telling you man. Let's revision the fuck out of African stories and have important characters played by every race expect black people. I guarantee you nobody would have a problem because they're just stories.
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Knowledge_King
12/24/17 10:55:32 PM
#344:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I'm telling you man. Let's revision the fuck out of African stories and have important characters played by every race expect black people. I guarantee you nobody would have a problem because they're just stories.


This already happens. Happened with Jesus. With Egyptian gods and generally everything to do with Ancient Egypt.
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Ilishe
12/25/17 12:25:18 PM
#345:


Back then you could claim to be Greek by living there and speaking the language. So yes they were as Greek as all the other Greeks.
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einegutePerson
12/25/17 12:28:30 PM
#346:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
There is no American ethnicity

ITT: we are still living in the 1950s
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darkjedilink
12/25/17 1:46:44 PM
#347:


Dyinglegacy posted...
Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*

It bothered a shit-ton of people who are okay with a black man playing Achilles.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/25/17 2:05:21 PM
#348:


darkjedilink posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*

It bothered a shit-ton of people who are okay with a black man playing Achilles.


Did you know that in Britain they are teaching children that the traditional Roman family in ancient times were white and black families.
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darkjedilink
12/25/17 2:06:53 PM
#349:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*

It bothered a shit-ton of people who are okay with a black man playing Achilles.

Did you know that in Britain they are teaching children that the traditional Roman family in ancient times were white and black families.

I did not. If true, more proof that liberalism is social cancer.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/25/17 2:08:49 PM
#350:


White washing is evil, but the opposite is progressive! *sniffs farts*
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darkjedilink
12/25/17 2:13:46 PM
#351:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
White washing is evil, but the opposite is progressive! *sniffs farts*

Exactly.
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NINExATExSEVEN
12/25/17 2:17:03 PM
#352:


darkjedilink posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*

It bothered a shit-ton of people who are okay with a black man playing Achilles.

Did you know that in Britain they are teaching children that the traditional Roman family in ancient times were white and black families.

I did not. If true, more proof that liberalism is social cancer.


@darkjedilink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjuYhBPwaQs


Watch this garbage. They are literally rewriting history to match today's diversity.
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Bishop9800
12/25/17 3:52:35 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Did you know that in Britain they are teaching children that the traditional Roman family in ancient times were white and black families.


Proof? Please show me this
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ROBANN_88
12/25/17 4:12:45 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
darkjedilink posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
Irrelevant. It's just a fantasy show. It also didn't bother me that a white chick played the star role in ghost in the shell.

*shrugs*

It bothered a shit-ton of people who are okay with a black man playing Achilles.

Did you know that in Britain they are teaching children that the traditional Roman family in ancient times were white and black families.

I did not. If true, more proof that liberalism is social cancer.


@darkjedilink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjuYhBPwaQs


Watch this garbage. They are literally rewriting history to match today's diversity.


well, when they say shit like
"amphitheaters where people can watch gladiators fight to the death"
you can already expect that it will not be the most well made history show
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