Current Events > I just saw The Last Jedi. *spoilers*

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Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*
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Did people applaud after it ended? That always confuses and amuzes me.
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No, for we are in Canada, not America. We just took our pet poutine and went home afterwards.
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CensorErik posted...

Did people applaud after it ended? That always confuses and amuzes me.

they did in my theater

gosh i sure hope all the actors heard them from there
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I like how apparently no one's thought of just hiding a bunch of corvettes a few lightyears away and slamming them into fleets. That one capital ship destroyed the FO's flagship and half a dozen destroyers.
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I liked it too. Most of the hate comes from old EU fans.
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Alucard188 posted...

No, for we are in Canada, not America. We just took our pet poutine and went home afterwards.

Lmao. Do you guys put maple syrup on popcorn?
*awaits suspension*
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Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.
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I really enjoyed it
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I don't get the hate either. I understand not liking it or the direction of the series overall, but holy shit is it nice that Star Wars is fun again. Had a blast taking our two oldest to see it as well. They freaking loved the critters/Chewie scene and I think they had their first mind blown moment at the ramming scene.
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Some gripes I had:

-Wtf was Luke even doing in the end? He trolled Kylo and then decided to die at a pretty young age. Yes, I know. Force projection takes a lot of energy. I guess he did his best to make his peace.

-They didn't know how to expand upon Snoke so they killed him.

-New main characters are forgettable.

-How did the thief know about the plan before the rebels knew their plan?

I enjoyed it but I generally don't get too bothered by movies.
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Alucard188 posted...

Don't know why people hate it.

I've spent a few days on the movie board and it comes down to people not liking the story decision with Rey's parents and Luke turning into a grumpy old man who considered killing his nephew and hating the jedi.

Personally, I liked the story decision with both. Rey coming from no one special is awesome because lineage shouldn't be dictating everything. Luke struggling with guilt is a lot more interesting to me than if he were just Yoda-lite or something teaching Rey.
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Exactly. We knew Luke came from Anakin, but what did Anakin come from? All bloodlines have to start from somewhere.
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I don't understand the people who are complaining about Luke becoming a hermit because he feels like he failed. That's basically what Obi-Wan and Yoda did.
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WaffIeElite posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.

It was weird but I don't see how it hasn't always been a possibility. Going forward there just needs to be some sort of new technology introduced that keeps it from happening again like warp disruptors or something. I don't know how they can explain why it hasn't been done before yet, and they probably won't even try.
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Or just make a few high density rod with light speed engines in them and just program them to go light speed at a short distance to put massive holes in bigger ships, more effective then pew pew pew, we can't get through their shields because they're going just fast enough for us for our cannons to be useless...

stoltenberg11 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.

It was weird but I don't see how it hasn't always been a possibility. Going forward there just needs to be some sort of new technology introduced that keeps it from happening again like warp disruptors or something. I don't know how they can explain why it hasn't been done before yet, and they probably won't even try.

Because how often will you have a single person manning an entire Corvette, with light speed capabilities, and a final death wish? It was an epic scene, and ramming ships is nothing new. People should lighten up.
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it kind of requires someone to kamikaze themselves... most sane people don't consider that an option unless they're really, really desperate
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I had more problems with Leia floating back to safety.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.

It was weird but I don't see how it hasn't always been a possibility. Going forward there just needs to be some sort of new technology introduced that keeps it from happening again like warp disruptors or something. I don't know how they can explain why it hasn't been done before yet, and they probably won't even try.

Probably because it's expensive as shit to waste a light cruiser on one star destroyer. It's not like the resistance is made of money. That was most likely that groups last light cruiser too, so they're kinda sol until they regroup with another faction or get another ship from the child slavers lol
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Alucard188 posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.

It was weird but I don't see how it hasn't always been a possibility. Going forward there just needs to be some sort of new technology introduced that keeps it from happening again like warp disruptors or something. I don't know how they can explain why it hasn't been done before yet, and they probably won't even try.

Because how often will you have a single person manning an entire Corvette, with light speed capabilities, and a final death wish? It was an epic scene, and ramming ships is nothing new. People should lighten up.

Damn near every ship in Star Wars has lightspeed capability. New Hope's Death Star suicide run would have been less "Send all those ships and hope our crazy plans works" and more "Ok, toss a few fighters out, let them Lightspeed directly into the reactor, and only a few people die to win. Or just have Droids do it, we got those too".
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Alucard188 posted...

Because how often will you have a single person manning an entire Corvette, with light speed capabilities, and a final death wish? It was an epic scene, and ramming ships is nothing new. People should lighten up.

I can suspend my disbelief only so far. Slamming into shit going mach Jesus is the first thing I would've been the first thing I thought of as a weapons designer if they showed my lightspeed.

It doesn't even need to be a corvette, an A-Wing took out the SSD going regular speed.
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Itennu posted...

it kind of requires someone to kamikaze themselves... most sane people don't consider that an option unless they're really, really desperate

Droids/computers exist in the Star Wars universe.
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I can absolutely see why so many people don't like it, and are upset with it. The film has a plethora of problems, and to write them off seems kind of silly. That being said, I can also see why people love it and I would never hold it against someone if they enjoyed the film.

Ki_cat_ posted...

I had more problems with Leia floating back to safety.

It's impossible if we don't think about the context of how the force interacts with people, because the force is literally everything, contextualized. She was subject to the vacuum of space, but if we've learned anything about environmental systems in starships from science fiction, there is a generated field that at least keeps gravity in check. It's possible that there was still enough atmosphere within the bridge area to enable her to not immediately suffocate and render herself unconscious, and her brother is literally Luke Skywalker. There's a reasonable expectation that she would be able to control some aspect of the force to force pull herself in the weightlessness of space.
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Alucard188 posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Best part of the movie was when the lady turned the light cruiser towards the star destroyer and used it to crush the force there. Purely quiet interlude in the scene.

Random ass kid in the theatre: "Did you see that?!"

Everyone laughed.

Movie was enjoyable. Don't know why people hate it. I liked it far more than TFA. *shrugs*

That was cool, but the instant I saw her turning it around I knew what was going on, and thought "Ok, no. They can't fucking do that. If this works, it totally destroys all military strategy and backstory the franchise has ever had if she can just lightspeed a motherfucking small ship into a bigger one".

And they did it.

It was weird but I don't see how it hasn't always been a possibility. Going forward there just needs to be some sort of new technology introduced that keeps it from happening again like warp disruptors or something. I don't know how they can explain why it hasn't been done before yet, and they probably won't even try.

Because how often will you have a single person manning an entire Corvette, with light speed capabilities, and a final death wish? It was an epic scene, and ramming ships is nothing new. People should lighten up.

If you can do it with a single person though you can do it with a droid. And a ship that's just all armor and warhead and navigation. And then it's just a giant missile that's way more effective than other missiles and more effective than a regular ship being used for the same purpose. It was a cool scene but it needs some more explanation, not unlike the scene where Luke considers killing Kylo.
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Alucard188 posted...

Exactly. We knew Luke came from Anakin, but what did Anakin come from? All bloodlines have to start from somewhere.

Anakin was a virgin birth
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WaffIeElite posted...

Damn near every ship in Star Wars has lightspeed capability. New Hope's Death Star suicide run would have been less "Send all those ships and hope our crazy plans works" and more "Ok, toss a few fighters out, let them Lightspeed directly into the reactor, and only a few people die to win. Or just have Droids do it, we got those too".

The Reactor Core in the Death Star was buried deep in the Death Star. I don't even think the ventilation chute would have been large enough for that.
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Saw it too night as well. It was decent. Several awesome scenes and a handful of idiotic ones.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

If you can do it with a single person though you can do it with a droid. And a ship that's just all armor and warhead and navigation. And then it's just a giant missile that's way more effective than other missiles and more effective than a regular ship being used for the same purpose. It was a cool scene but it needs some more explanation, not unlike the scene where Luke considers killing Kylo.

How expensive do you think the ships are? Plasma blasters are less expensive.
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Alucard188 posted...

The Reactor Core in the Death Star was buried deep in the Death Star. I don't even think the ventilation chute would have been large enough for that.

The ship went through a flagship and half a dozen star destroyers, I think It'd cripple the death star just fine
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For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.
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Alucard188 posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Damn near every ship in Star Wars has lightspeed capability. New Hope's Death Star suicide run would have been less "Send all those ships and hope our crazy plans works" and more "Ok, toss a few fighters out, let them Lightspeed directly into the reactor, and only a few people die to win. Or just have Droids do it, we got those too".

The Reactor Core in the Death Star was buried deep in the Death Star. I don't even think the ventilation chute would have been large enough for that.

I think you're underestimating the kind of damage large objects moving at faster than lightspeed can do.

Just a quick video about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-s_h5PS7VQ
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stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.

The cost ratio, especially considering the rebel losses in almost every battle would be FAR better suited to this sort of tactic. Especially considering you could easily get the same result with one-man ships.
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WaffIeElite posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.

The cost ratio, especially considering the rebel losses in almost every battle would be FAR better suited to this sort of tactic. Especially considering you could easily get the same result with one-man ships.

I guess we'd have to see how much all of these ships cost in this universe. I'm sure a few dozen x wings don't hold a candle to the cost of one of these corvettes.
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WaffIeElite posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.

The cost ratio, especially considering the rebel losses in almost every battle would be FAR better suited to this sort of tactic. Especially considering you could easily get the same result with one-man ships.

You have to remember that the Rebels are trying to be a symbol of hope for the galaxy. If their go to tactic was kamikaze attacks they'd be seen as the in-universe ISIS.
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It probably would not work in like Star Trek where battles between ships are all about torpedoes and lasers and maneuvering, but in Star Wars where only small ships like X-Wings and Tie Fighters are maneuverable, a few light speed death spear would wreck the bigger ships.

The whole scene made it very clear that smaller fighters can't stray too far away from the bigger ships for some reason, and no matter how much firepower you have, it won't penetrate a ship's shield which in itself has a renewable energy source that not only neglect cannon fire but is able to repair damage to itself faster then the damage being inflicted as long as a certain amount of spacing is maintained (also we have to believe the Order doesn't have any heavily armed ships which sacrifices some armor for speed which could had easily taken out one ship), really makes no sense.

Smashingpmkns posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.

The cost ratio, especially considering the rebel losses in almost every battle would be FAR better suited to this sort of tactic. Especially considering you could easily get the same result with one-man ships.

I guess we'd have to see how much all of these ships cost in this universe. I'm sure a few dozen x wings don't hold a candle to the cost of one of these corvettes.

Luke states a ship costs less than 17,000 credits in a New Hope.

Too bad we don't know how Star Wars money works.
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Taxer posted...

WaffIeElite posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

For how effective that tactic was I don't think they would be expensive enough to deter. Plus the ship it took out had to have been 10 times more expensive.

I don't think the resistance could afford to keep doing this as a main battle tactic. I'm sure that one ship was used a whole lot before it kamikazed.

The cost ratio, especially considering the rebel losses in almost every battle would be FAR better suited to this sort of tactic. Especially considering you could easily get the same result with one-man ships.

You have to remember that the Rebels are trying to be a symbol of hope for the galaxy. If their go to tactic was kamikaze attacks they'd be seen as the in-universe ISIS.

Considering they're up against evil space wizards, and a tactic revolving around Drones / Droids piloting small ships causing outrageous amounts of damage, to the alternative of "Get half our shit blown up every fight"? I can see the clear winner in economic, military, and morale.

If you even had to say "Three dudes who are ready to suicide, get ready", because a LOT more than three dudes die every time the X-wings come out.
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even the prequels had a real saber fight at least once
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And as far as my problems with it.

-Total character destruction of Luke

-Rey is still a Mary Sue, she somehow knows how to swim despite never leaving a desert planet.

-Rose and the whole casino subplot we're awful.

-Phasma is still around for some reason.

-everyone in the First Order is incompetent.

-Something humor like the call at the start is more in line with Spaceballs than Star Wars.

-We still have no backstory for anything, just more poor world building for the sequel trilogy.

-The way the force is retconned to work, especially the balance.

-Liea flying.

-the lightspeed ramming which is flat out contradicted by Han when he mentions you don't want to hit an asteroid field at lightspeed, and makes every space battle before it look ridiculous, where before you could assume the shields worked for protection

-the fact a huge ship can be piloted by a single person.

-Finn somehow drags Rose miles across the flat fields to the Rebels without being killed.

-Holdo and the run away plot line with Poe.

And as far as this trilogy goes in general, it's boring as hell.

There are no new alien characters and everyone is human.

It's a redux Rebels vs Empire instead of doing anything unique (Lucas' plan was for the various crime bosses to form a syndicate that fought the new Empire which would have been far better)

The world is extremely small instead of giving windows into other interesting things (compare Boba Fett to Phasma) there's a reason the old merchandise is outselling the sequel trilogy

The story is meant to be told via the droids, but they rarely appear and there's no real reason except to promote BB-8

For the most part the new characters are extremely plain and boring compared to the original trilogy or the Prequels.

Finn doesn't get any drama with his not-stormtrooper past.

There's no cohesion or plan between the directors whatsoever, and J.J. Abrams lost work became apparent (dumping mysteries on the next writer with no plans to answer them)

I really do not enjoy the film, and I'm sure you will disagree with some things that I disliked but that's fine.
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Light speed ramming is countered by using Interdictor Cruisers or any ship equipped with large enough gravity well generators. They can prevent star ships from entering hyperspace and even pull ships already in hyperspace out of them.

If you dont know what a an Interdictor Cruiser is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYq5gU68lcU

This sort of tech has been around for awhile. That is why you never really see Hyperspace ramming being a really popular tactic in Star Wars.
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Boba Fett was never interesting.
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the problem with the lightspeed maneuver is less about "why didn't the Rebels do it?" and more about why the droid army never did it. y'know, the army that didn't need to care about its soldiers or have any issues in raising funds to buy ships. yes I know that Sidious was playing both sides

apparently they're running with the idea that ships project fields that prevent other ships from going into hyperspace (gravity based) and the first order had turned them off because they were trying to bait the Resistance into using hyperspace since they could track them
which is better I guess

but yeah, I get why some people don't like it but for me it's probably the best star wars movie since ESB
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The Finn and Rose plot line was the worst part of the movie for me. Total waste of about 40 minutes that couldve been cut and the movie wouldve been better for it.
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jumi posted...

Boba Fett was never interesting.

The idea of intergalactic bounty hunters was not. Which is what made you wonder about them and let you in on another slice of the Galaxy.

While Boba Fett doesn't fight he tracks Hon Solo and friends and gives the location to Vader, doing his job perfectly.

Despite having messed up previously Vader simply chides him instead of killing him, meaning there's something special with Boba.

Vader also just gives BF what he wants instead of screwing him over like he does with Lando and some of the Imperial captains. Which adds more mystery to the character and gives something to like about him.
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WaffIeElite posted...

I think you're underestimating the kind of damage large objects moving at faster than lightspeed can do.

a speck of dust moving faster than lightspeed would annihilate any amount of mass as it would impact with infinite energy.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

I liked it too. Most of the hate comes from old EU fans.

Yep. People who bitch about how the Force is portrayed in TLJ all while loving how Luke is a freaking super saiyan in the damn EU.
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Boba Fett never did anything cool and died like a bitch. People only liked him because he had cool armor and they could imagine any backstory they liked for him.
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