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In what fucking world is that not a catch?

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Hand jerked and the ball bobbled.

In any other league, pee wee, high school, or college, that's a catch.

But the NFL is hard mode baby.
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He had complete control of the ball, and then he lunged into the endzone and was down before anything happened with the ball.
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Ground can't help you gain possession. It was obviously not a catch by league rules.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He had complete control of the ball, and then he lunged into the endzone and was down before anything happened with the ball.

Defenders never touched him, so he was never technically "down" according to the rule book
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Bloodychess posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He had complete control of the ball, and then he lunged into the endzone and was down before anything happened with the ball.

Defenders never touched him, so he was never technically "down" according to the rule book

He also didn't take enough steps after reception to clearly establish possession prior to his forward progress.
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He was down once he impacted the ground with the ball in his hands in the endzone.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He was down once he impacted the ground with the ball in his hands in the endzone.

Only counts if possession was established prior to going down, which it wasn't.
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Refs bailed out the Pats
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He was down once he impacted the ground with the ball in his hands in the endzone.

Only counts if possession was established prior to going down, which it wasn't.

I don't understand how you can watch him catch the ball with both hands and a firm hold and think he doesn't have possession. Just because he doesn't cradle it into his body doesn't mean he doesn't have control.
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oh NOW all of a sudden you fuckers want to worry about what a catch is..when it happened to Dez it was "SUCK IT UP THATS THE RULE DEAL WITH IT"...but now its "man, this is odd, maybe we should question it"....Fuck you guys.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He was down once he impacted the ground with the ball in his hands in the endzone.

Only counts if possession was established prior to going down, which it wasn't.

I don't understand how you can watch him catch the ball with both hands and a firm hold and think he doesn't have possession. Just because he doesn't cradle it into his body doesn't mean he doesn't have control.

did you miss the part where he bobbled it when it hit the ground
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No because he clearly never has full possession
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It was not a catch by NFL rules. Period. Possession was not established prior to landing ball-first in the end zone.
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If you can't survive the ground you don't belong in football.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

oh NOW all of a sudden you fuckers want to worry about what a catch is..when it happened to Dez it was "SUCK IT UP THATS THE RULE DEAL WITH IT"...but now its "man, this is odd, maybe we should question it"....Fuck you guys.

bro no one cares about your irrelevant ass franchise
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Same thing if not worse happened to Dez Bryant in the playoffs a couple years ago. Fair, next.
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dumb rule but it is the rule
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Seems pretty cut and dry, just not a common situation, particularly in a tense situation
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What's dumber than the catch rule, was the Steelers going for it with a few seconds left instead of going for the tie
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That rule definitely needs some tweaking then, because he definitely had complete control over his body and what he was doing.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

That rule definitely needs some tweaking then, because he definitely had complete control over his body and what he was doing.

it hit the ground, you can't use the ground to gain control.
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Determining possession isn't "well he sure looks like he has the ball". It has very clearly defined requirements. The whole point of these rules it to eliminate bullshit subjectivity.

He didn't establish forward progression with two steps, and the ball hit the ground in the endzone prior to the rest of his body. Incomplete pass. In order to argue in favor of the Steelers, you have to be arguing against league rules.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

That rule definitely needs some tweaking then, because he definitely had complete control over his body and what he was doing.

People who have complete control of a football don't drop it and bobble it around on the ground.
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The catch is a pretty clear laymen's catch. It'd pass for one in any backyard football game.
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Steelers fans, Patriots h8ers: "waaaaaaah..."
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Not a good time to have the sound muted, I was like wtf just happened?
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deanshow posted...

What's dumber than the catch rule, was the Steelers going for it with a few seconds left instead of going for the tie

They had enough time to go for it the dumb thing was fake spiking and throwing a slant into trriple coverage instead of trying a fade then tying it up and going to OT.

gp1829 posted...

They had enough time to go for it the dumb thing was fake spiking and throwing a slant into trriple coverage instead of trying a face then tying it up and going to OT.

Ben's bull shit explanation about why they did that after the game was....confusing.
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thronedfire2 posted...

did you miss the part where he bobbled it when it hit the ground

I missed it as it didn't look like it hit the ground.
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shockthemonkey posted...

I love the bizarre conspiracy theories every time the Patriots haves clutch win.

It doesn't really help that everything always seems to go their way, coupled with the insane victim complex most of the fanbase has.
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jborgan posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I love the bizarre conspiracy theories every time the Patriots haves clutch win.

It doesn't really help that everything always seems to go their way, coupled with the insane victim complex most of the fanbase has.

Lmao fans of every other team whine about everything related to the Pats. Maybe coach better and play better
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Paper_Okami posted...

jborgan posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I love the bizarre conspiracy theories every time the Patriots haves clutch win.

It doesn't really help that everything always seems to go their way, coupled with the insane victim complex most of the fanbase has.

Lmao fans of every other team whine about everything related to the Pats. Maybe coach better and play better

See how insecure they are?
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pats fans aren't insecure. you just want something and you ain't got shit.
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jborgan posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

jborgan posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

I love the bizarre conspiracy theories every time the Patriots haves clutch win.

It doesn't really help that everything always seems to go their way, coupled with the insane victim complex most of the fanbase has.

Lmao fans of every other team whine about everything related to the Pats. Maybe coach better and play better

See how insecure they are?

"Everything always seem to their way" it's called making your own luck by playing better.
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Pancake posted...

pats fans aren't insecure.

lol
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The problem is that he was falling down in the process of making the catch. He lost control of the ball when he hit the ground, so it should be an incomplete pass.

If he had caught the ball, landed on both feet, then jumped into the endzone, it would have been a touchdown no matter what happened when he hit the ground.
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lol

you don't see pats fans making antagonistic statements like yours. nip at heels more.
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Treat the process as having 3 steps

1.) Ball hits hands
2.) James brings arms into chest
3.) James reaches across goal line

Step 2 WAS him securing the ball.

Step 3 was a football move.
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Pats are the fucking greatest.

If you had a coach like Belichick to teach your players how to hold a ball, you wouldn't have to whine and complain the morning after gameday.

It's no accident when the Pats come out on top.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Treat the process as having 3 steps

1.) Ball hits hands
2.) James brings arms into chest
3.) James reaches across goal line

Step 2 WAS him securing the ball.

Step 3 was a football move.

Yeah, but he was falling down in the process of catching the ball, which is why they called it incomplete.
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i passed out at like, halftime. i didn't see that in motion. looks like a catch to me unless the ball hit the ground.
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Steve Nick posted...

Pats are the fucking greatest.

If you had a coach like Belichick to teach your players how to hold a ball, you wouldn't have to whine and complain the morning after gameday.

It's no accident when the Pats come out on top.

You realize, regardless of the team, nobody likes that guy who just sits there and doesn't contribute anything to the topic at hand and instead says "my team > your team."
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Treat the process as having 3 steps

1.) Ball hits hands
2.) James brings arms into chest
3.) James reaches across goal line

Step 2 WAS him securing the ball.

Step 3 was a football move.

That's not how the NFL rules it. He never 'became a runner', thus his catch and fall to the ground is all part of the catch. The catch is something that is occurring throughout the entire thing, and unfortunately for him, the ball is on the ground and out of his possession for part of the catch.

If he had became a runner, and then stretched out and did the same thing, and bobbled it, it wouldn't have been called an incomplete pass, because he would have moved beyond the catch phase.
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Pancake posted...

you don't see pats fans making antagonistic statements like yours.

lol
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Pats are the fucking greatest.

If you had a coach like Belichick to teach your players how to hold a ball, you wouldn't have to whine and complain the morning after gameday.

It's no accident when the Pats come out on top.

You realize, regardless of the team, nobody likes that guy who just sits there and doesn't contribute anything to the topic at hand and instead says "my team > your team."

How am I not contributing? I clearly explained my position and gave supporting details to my argument.
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