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that's not what I asked.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

that's not what I asked.

Doesn't really matter. The fact of the matter is the tip of the ball reached the line to gain.
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...no, it touched a piece of paper.

not sure why you can't answer a simple question

AlternativeFAQS posted...

...no, it touched a piece of paper.

not sure why you can't answer a simple question

Also, we can't really say the ref was using the paper to measure. It's also possible the ref was just using the paper to show how close the measurement was.

The tip of the ball reached the line to gain.

Not sure why you're so hell bent on crying about the refs all night.

The piece of paper was at the edge of the line to gain and the ball touched it.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

...no, it touched a piece of paper.

not sure why you can't answer a simple question

a piece of paper that was at the edge of the line...
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TheVipaGTS posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

...no, it touched a piece of paper.

not sure why you can't answer a simple question

a piece of paper that was at the edge of the line...

a folded and bent piece of paper. he should have measured it with a flat single piece for a space that small

AlternativeFAQS posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

...no, it touched a piece of paper.

not sure why you can't answer a simple question

a piece of paper that was at the edge of the line...

a folded and bent piece of paper. he should have measured it with a flat single piece for a space that small

A piece of paper that was bent because the tip of the ball was touching it. 1st down.
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I guess it was also the ref's fault that Carr fumbled the ball into the end zone
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oh so you're going the denial route, gotcha

CableZL posted...

I guess it was also the ref's fault that Carr fumbled the ball into the end zone

it's the refs fault they were in that situation yeah. but carr fucked up

AlternativeFAQS posted...

oh so you're going the denial route, gotcha

You're the one in denial. The ball reached the line to gain as the ref saw.
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if there wasn't space between the ball and chain you wouldnt be able to fit something in between them.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

if there wasn't space between the ball and chain you wouldnt be able to fit something in between them.

Again, the ball was clearly getting nudged when the piece of paper was inserted. The paper didn't fit without bending.
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maybe next time try it without a folded piece, perhaps. too much to ask?

I think it's hilarious that you were crying about legitimate penalties the whole night, but you accuse someone else of being in denial.

*Thumbs up*

Sure, buddy.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

maybe next time try it without a folded piece, perhaps. too much to ask?

Maybe next time the Raiders can actually stop progress on the ball when the play was so obvious.

Too much to ask?
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is it too much to ask them to try to be as precise as possible in the given situation?

AlternativeFAQS posted...

is it too much to ask them to try to be as precise as possible in the given situation?

Is it too much to ask for the Raiders to actually keep the ball from reaching the line to gain in the given situation?
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"it's ok the ref barely tried because my team won"

AlternativeFAQS posted...

"it's ok the ref barely tried because my team won"

"I blame the refs for my team committing obvious penalties and not being able to stop obvious plays."
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I mean the Raiders weren't going to the playoffs anyways. If it makes you feel any better the Cowboys won't either.
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https://streamable.com/d6dk7

you can see the gap before be puts the paper in

ok arguments aside...i just wanted to give a shout out to tonight's MVP.


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AlternativeFAQS posted...

https://streamable.com/d6dk7

you can see the gap before be puts the paper in

1) The camera angle isn't exactly straight on
2) You can see the ball getting nudged when the paper is inserted
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CableZL posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

https://streamable.com/d6dk7

you can see the gap before be puts the paper in

1) The camera angle isn't exactly straight on
2) You can see the ball getting nudged when the paper is inserted

yeah, the non-flat piece of paper nudged it.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

CableZL posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

https://streamable.com/d6dk7

you can see the gap before be puts the paper in

1) The camera angle isn't exactly straight on
2) You can see the ball getting nudged when the paper is inserted

yeah, the non-flat piece of paper nudged it.

The piece of paper nudged it because the ball reached the line to gain.
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so if it's that close again you think they should measure it the same way?

AlternativeFAQS posted...

so if it's that close again you think they should measure it the same way?

If the ball reaches the line to gain, a 1st down should be awarded. They measured with the yard markers. The paper was used to show how close it was.
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because I think they should strive to be as precise as possible. it's ok if you don't agree.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

because I think they should strive to be as precise as possible. it's ok if you don't agree.

No, you think they shouldn't call obvious things just to benefit your team.

The ball reached the line to gain, so a 1st down was awarded.
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CableZL posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

so if it's that close again you think they should measure it the same way?

If the ball reaches the line to gain, a 1st down should be awarded. They measured with the yard markers. The paper was used to show how close it was.

...nope. if he knew it was good without the paper he would've called it. you know that.

Congrats on that clear victory tonight Cowboys fans. I like seeing them win. Lmao at all the people crying about the piece of paper.

That said, Oakland is always getting their prostates checked by the refs. I'd be upset too if that stuff kept happening to the Rams tbh.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

...nope. if he knew it was good without the paper he would've called it. you know that.

No, as the announcers said, they've never seen a measurement that close. The ref saw that the ball reached the line to gain just barely and used the piece of paper to demonstrate how close it was.

The ball was nudged when the piece of paper was inserted, meaning the ball reached the line to gain.
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yes we've established the folded, non-flat piece of paper was not think enough for the gap.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

yes we've established the folded, non-flat piece of paper was not think enough for the gap.

And the piece of paper wasn't flat because the ball was touching it as the ref tried to fit it in the gap.

You've been whining about legitimate calls the whole game.
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CableZL posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

...nope. if he knew it was good without the paper he would've called it. you know that.

No, as the announcers said, they've never seen a measurement that close. The ref saw that the ball reached the line to gain just barely and used the piece of paper to demonstrate how close it was.

The ball was nudged when the piece of paper was inserted, meaning the ball reached the line to gain.

Don't waste your time man he doesn't get it.
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it wasnt flat before he put it in.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

it wasnt flat before he put it in.

The side that nudged the ball was being held closed by his hand. The part of the paper that nudged the ball was flat, but bent because it nudged the ball.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21806649/nfl-says-ref-gene-steratore-using-index-card-very-unusual-rules

NFL: Gene Steratore using index card 'very unusual,' but within rules

Raiders coach Jack Del Rio said afterward that he saw "air" between the pole and the ball, even with Steratore's card in between. But speaking afterward to a pool reporter, Steratore said he used the card only to "reaffirm" his visual decision.

"The ball was touching the pole," Steratore said. "I put the card in there and as soon as it touched, it was nothing more than a reaffirmation. The decision was made based on my visual from the top looking down and the ball touching the front of the pole."

So I was correct when I said:

CableZL posted...

The ref saw that the ball reached the line to gain just barely and used the piece of paper to demonstrate how close it was.

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CableZL posted...

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21806649/nfl-says-ref-gene-steratore-using-index-card-very-unusual-rules

NFL: Gene Steratore using index card 'very unusual,' but within rules

Raiders coach Jack Del Rio said afterward that he saw "air" between the pole and the ball, even with Steratore's card in between. But speaking afterward to a pool reporter, Steratore said he used the card only to "reaffirm" his visual decision.

"The ball was touching the pole," Steratore said. "I put the card in there and as soon as it touched, it was nothing more than a reaffirmation. The decision was made based on my visual from the top looking down and the ball touching the front of the pole."

So I was correct when I said:

CableZL posted...

The ref saw that the ball reached the line to gain just barely and used the piece of paper to demonstrate how close it was.

Surely this will put this argument to bed.
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