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thelovefist 12/19/17 5:44:04 PM #203:	Soviet_Poland posted... For real though, CE needs to stop taking the bait. Someone with a likely cluster B personality disorder that has demonstrated remarkably poor insight into their own condition will be the worst kind of troll. The one that believes their own BS. No amount of points raised, sound arguments, or attempts to see things differently will change things when persecutory or delusions of grandeur may be in play here. He won't seek help. He won't tell his lady friend to get back on her meds. Short of people in his life petitioning him for court-ordered evaluation, unless the system picks him up, nothing will change that. The only viable solution at this point is to incarcerate him. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:892522668] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>Soviet_Poland posted...</cite> <quote>For real though, CE needs to stop taking the bait. Someone with a likely cluster B personality disorder that has demonstrated remarkably poor insight into their own condition will be the worst kind of troll. The one that believes their own BS. No amount of points raised, sound arguments, or attempts to see things differently will change things when persecutory or delusions of grandeur may be in play here. He won't seek help. He won't tell his lady friend to get back on her meds. Short of people in his life petitioning him for court-ordered evaluation, unless the system picks him up, nothing will change that.</quote> The only viable solution at this point is to incarcerate him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Soviet_Poland 12/19/17 5:44:06 PM #204:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind. Yet here you are. Dawkins, if you didn't tell her to stop seeing her doctor or to stop taking her meds, that's good. You even did your "due diligence" with an article. People are taking an issue with it because you're peacocking it, especially in the setting of contradicting an experienced clinician. Yes, they make mistakes. Yes, it's possible you were right in this instance. But a person with pocket aces in Texas Hold Em' Poker can still lose despite the best hand and the person who won with 2-7 off suit still might have won that hand but still have been the "wrong call" in the grand scheme of things. You don't know everything. None of us do. There's a lot more to clinical practice than individual articles and it's easy to get lost in the sea of literature, even for experienced clinicians. That's kind of the point. It's easy for you to make recommendations because you don't hold the liability. But laypeople can certainly misguide people, and some of these misguidances can lead to death. It's morbid, but it's true. And if you don't want blood on your hands, I suggest you reflect on how important it is that someone doesn't suffer undue harm versus your desire to be right. Or, if you really want to be so right, put your balls to the wall. Go to medical school, through the whole process, and prove them wrong. Short of that, you can't take intellectual shortcuts and a few articles (even peer reviewed) doesn't validate your stances. And now I've become the jackass by disregarding my own advice and "taking the bait." Humility. All we ask. --- "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete." http://steamcommunity.com/id/Soviet_Poland/wishlist <cite>Soviet_Poland posted [p:892522670] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind.</quote> Yet here you are. Dawkins, if you didn't tell her to stop seeing her doctor or to stop taking her meds, that's good. You even did your "due diligence" with an article. People are taking an issue with it because you're peacocking it, especially in the setting of contradicting an experienced clinician. Yes, they make mistakes. Yes, it's possible you were right in this instance. But a person with pocket aces in Texas Hold Em' Poker can still lose despite the best hand and the person who won with 2-7 off suit still might have won that hand but still have been the "wrong call" in the grand scheme of things. You don't know everything. None of us do. There's a lot more to clinical practice than individual articles and it's easy to get lost in the sea of literature, even for experienced clinicians. That's kind of the point. It's easy for you to make recommendations because you don't hold the liability. But laypeople can certainly misguide people, and some of these misguidances can lead to death. It's morbid, but it's true. And if you don't want blood on your hands, I suggest you reflect on how important it is that someone doesn't suffer undue harm versus your desire to be right. Or, if you really want to be so right, put your balls to the wall. Go to medical school, through the whole process, and prove them wrong. Short of that, you can't take intellectual shortcuts and a few articles (even peer reviewed) doesn't validate your stances. And now I've become the jackass by disregarding my own advice and "taking the bait." Humility. All we ask.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/19/17 5:49:21 PM #205:	^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:892522987] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote>^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 12/19/17 6:20:42 PM #206:	He's not going to admit that he told her to stop her meds, because he knows it's illegal to practice medicine without a license. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:892524816] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote>He's not going to admit that he told her to stop her meds, because he knows it's illegal to practice medicine without a license.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/19/17 6:40:27 PM #207:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... Soviet_Poland posted... For real though, CE needs to stop taking the bait. Someone with a likely cluster B personality disorder that has demonstrated remarkably poor insight into their own condition will be the worst kind of troll. The one that believes their own BS. No amount of points raised, sound arguments, or attempts to see things differently will change things when persecutory or delusions of grandeur may be in play here. He won't seek help. He won't tell his lady friend to get back on her meds. Short of people in his life petitioning him for court-ordered evaluation, unless the system picks him up, nothing will change that. I like the part where people say shit like this when I never told her to stop taking her meds or seeing a doctor. I also believe I backed up my stance with at least one scholarly article while the contrarians were pretty much just like "No, you're wrong" and that's it. Furthermore the lack of folk calling out the people trying to diagnose me in this thread shows a clearly blatant free pass for hypocrisy. Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind. Do you know why people have a problem with what you did? Because you don't address it like "maybe you should get a second opinion." You address it like "your doctor is absolutely a quack, because I was rediagnosed by a different doctor, and therefore I know better." Now, whether or not you were truly misdiagnosed yourself put to the side, it is absolutely asinine to pretend like your experience is in any way a sound reason to suggest your friend completely disregard a medical professional (on the basis that they are "a quack") and instead go off your "knowledge" and the results of some online test. In the end, you told her to get a second opinion. That's good. You even attempted to back up your opinion with sources. That's also good (even though what specifically those articles demonstrate isn't really what was in question). But, as always, your bloated ego and attitude about the situation is what's far more disturbing. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:892525926] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Soviet_Poland posted...</cite> <quote>For real though, CE needs to stop taking the bait. Someone with a likely cluster B personality disorder that has demonstrated remarkably poor insight into their own condition will be the worst kind of troll. The one that believes their own BS. No amount of points raised, sound arguments, or attempts to see things differently will change things when persecutory or delusions of grandeur may be in play here. He won't seek help. He won't tell his lady friend to get back on her meds. Short of people in his life petitioning him for court-ordered evaluation, unless the system picks him up, nothing will change that.</quote> I like the part where people say shit like this when I never told her to stop taking her meds or seeing a doctor. I also believe I backed up my stance with at least one scholarly article while the contrarians were pretty much just like "No, you're wrong" and that's it. Furthermore the lack of folk calling out the people trying to diagnose me in this thread shows a clearly blatant free pass for hypocrisy. Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind.</quote> Do you know why people have a problem with what you did? Because you don't address it like "maybe you should get a second opinion." You address it like "your doctor is absolutely a quack, because I was rediagnosed by a different doctor, and therefore I know better." Now, whether or not you were truly misdiagnosed yourself put to the side, it is absolutely asinine to pretend like your experience is in any way a sound reason to suggest your friend completely disregard a medical professional (on the basis that they are "a quack") and instead go off your "knowledge" and the results of some online test. In the end, you told her to get a second opinion. That's good. You even attempted to back up your opinion with sources. That's also good (even though what specifically those articles demonstrate isn't really what was in question). But, as always, your bloated ego and attitude about the situation is what's far more disturbing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 12/19/17 8:54:10 PM #208:	Soviet_Poland posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind. Yet here you are. Dawkins, if you didn't tell her to stop seeing her doctor or to stop taking her meds, that's good. You even did your "due diligence" with an article. People are taking an issue with it because you're peacocking it, especially in the setting of contradicting an experienced clinician. Yes, they make mistakes. Yes, it's possible you were right in this instance. But a person with pocket aces in Texas Hold Em' Poker can still lose despite the best hand and the person who won with 2-7 off suit still might have won that hand but still have been the "wrong call" in the grand scheme of things. You don't know everything. None of us do. There's a lot more to clinical practice than individual articles and it's easy to get lost in the sea of literature, even for experienced clinicians. That's kind of the point. It's easy for you to make recommendations because you don't hold the liability. But laypeople can certainly misguide people, and some of these misguidances can lead to death. It's morbid, but it's true. And if you don't want blood on your hands, I suggest you reflect on how important it is that someone doesn't suffer undue harm versus your desire to be right. Or, if you really want to be so right, put your balls to the wall. Go to medical school, through the whole process, and prove them wrong. Short of that, you can't take intellectual shortcuts and a few articles (even peer reviewed) doesn't validate your stances. And now I've become the jackass by disregarding my own advice and "taking the bait." Humility. All we ask. I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:892533261] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>Soviet_Poland posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>Luckily enough I am aware of such and thus pay it no mind.</quote> Yet here you are. Dawkins, if you didn't tell her to stop seeing her doctor or to stop taking her meds, that's good. You even did your "due diligence" with an article. People are taking an issue with it because you're peacocking it, especially in the setting of contradicting an experienced clinician. Yes, they make mistakes. Yes, it's possible you were right in this instance. But a person with pocket aces in Texas Hold Em' Poker can still lose despite the best hand and the person who won with 2-7 off suit still might have won that hand but still have been the "wrong call" in the grand scheme of things. You don't know everything. None of us do. There's a lot more to clinical practice than individual articles and it's easy to get lost in the sea of literature, even for experienced clinicians. That's kind of the point. It's easy for you to make recommendations because you don't hold the liability. But laypeople can certainly misguide people, and some of these misguidances can lead to death. It's morbid, but it's true. And if you don't want blood on your hands, I suggest you reflect on how important it is that someone doesn't suffer undue harm versus your desire to be right. Or, if you really want to be so right, put your balls to the wall. Go to medical school, through the whole process, and prove them wrong. Short of that, you can't take intellectual shortcuts and a few articles (even peer reviewed) doesn't validate your stances. And now I've become the jackass by disregarding my own advice and "taking the bait." Humility. All we ask.</quote> I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 12/19/17 9:03:44 PM #209:	iClockwork posted... ^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false. DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. LOL <cite>iClockwork posted [p:892533790] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false. </quote> <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. </quote> LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 12/19/17 9:05:34 PM #210:	iClockwork posted... iClockwork posted... ^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false. DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. LOL I didn't claim the argument was necessarily false, just that I don't care if it is or isn't. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:892533909] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>^ In before Dawkins cherry picks one point he disagrees with and claims the entire crux of the argument is false. </quote> <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. </quote> LOL</quote> I didn't claim the argument was necessarily false, just that I don't care if it is or isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/19/17 9:24:05 PM #211:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:892535068] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 12/19/17 10:34:08 PM #212:	Dragonblade01 posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you. I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:892539117] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you.</quote> I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 12/19/17 11:10:30 PM #213:	Lol what a shitstorm --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:892541081] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote>Lol what a shitstorm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 12/20/17 12:56:58 AM #214:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you. I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up. You don't even have the prerequisite medical knowledge to actually determine if her doctor is a quack. I can't tell you how many patients think I'm nuts for holding off on antibiotics until after blood cultures. And yet that's precisely the optimal standard of care. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:892545760] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you.</quote> I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up.</quote> You don't even have the prerequisite medical knowledge to actually determine if her doctor is a quack. I can't tell you how many patients think I'm nuts for holding off on antibiotics until after blood cultures. And yet that's precisely the optimal standard of care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 12/20/17 3:03:58 AM #215:	DawkinsNumber4 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you. I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up. It was wrong of you to call her doctor a quack. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:892550036] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you.</quote> I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up.</quote> It was wrong of you to call her doctor a quack.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 12/20/17 7:32:46 AM #216:	Dragonblade01 posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... DawkinsNumber4 posted... I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that. Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you. I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up. It was wrong of you to call her doctor a quack. Moving the goalpost. --- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:892555901] in My new lad... [t:76108002]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't give a shit about nonsense emotional bullshit. She clearly was misdiagnosed. This is an issue countrywide. The worst thing you can do is say nothing. Any other opinion is your prerogative but it means fuck all to me. Simple as that.</quote> Misdiagnosis is a problem. Not a single person in this thread is denying that. Regardless, you aren't the person to make that call for any individual. If you think someone should get a second opinion, then give them that advice and let that be the end of it. Because your opinion matters as much to this as our opinions matter to you.</quote> I did? I told her her doctor seems like a quack and to see another one. This other shit about saying not to take meds or stop going to the doctor or whatever is some shit that was made up.</quote> It was wrong of you to call her doctor a quack.</quote> Moving the goalpost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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