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OctilIery 12/15/17 12:59:41 PM #1:	There were a couple problems with it, but nothing that stopped the rest of the movie from working, and what did work was amazingly good. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892271520] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>There were a couple problems with it, but nothing that stopped the rest of the movie from working, and what did work was amazingly good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 12/15/17 1:00:14 PM #2:	Yes --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:892271544] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InstaReturns 12/15/17 1:00:25 PM #3:	Saw it last night, aside from cool scenes I thought it was really boring --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>InstaReturns posted [p:892271550] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Saw it last night, aside from cool scenes I thought it was really boring</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 1:06:13 PM #4:	InstaReturns posted... Saw it last night, aside from cool scenes I thought it was really boring The Finn and Rose scenes were the weak point for me, everything outside that and ~~Leia flying~~ was fantastic. And even then, Finn and Rose had a couple good points...or at least Finn did. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892271867] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>InstaReturns posted...</cite> <quote>Saw it last night, aside from cool scenes I thought it was really boring</quote> The Finn and Rose scenes were the weak point for me, everything outside that and Leia flying was fantastic. And even then, Finn and Rose had a couple good points...or at least Finn did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 12/15/17 1:07:49 PM #5:	Glad you liked it. I was really bored. --- Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. <cite>lilORANG posted [p:892271932] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Glad you liked it. I was really bored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 1:08:31 PM #6:	I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892271967] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 1:31:44 PM #7:	s0nicfan posted... I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for. It really didn't though. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892273211] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for.</quote> It really didn't though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 1:36:14 PM #8:	OctilIery posted... s0nicfan posted... I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for. It really didn't though. You honestly think that what they did to Luke fits the character we saw grow over the original trilogy? You think completely undoing everything the rebellion had worked for so the next movie can redo the "small group against impossible odds" story is a good thing? You think that making the empire such that any old asshole can just sit in a chair and suddenly become supreme leader is reasonable? You think ending on a tease that's effectively "hey, remember episode 1?" was good service to the series? You liked Leia flying? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892273489] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for.</quote> It really didn't though.</quote> You honestly think that what they did to Luke fits the character we saw grow over the original trilogy? You think completely undoing everything the rebellion had worked for so the next movie can redo the "small group against impossible odds" story is a good thing? You think that making the empire such that any old asshole can just sit in a chair and suddenly become supreme leader is reasonable? You think ending on a tease that's effectively "hey, remember episode 1?" was good service to the series? You liked Leia flying?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 12/15/17 1:38:23 PM #9:	I really wanted to see it, but that one butt munch spoiled it. whenever I'm spoiled, I lose all anticipation for something. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:892273606] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I really wanted to see it, but that one butt munch spoiled it. whenever I'm spoiled, I lose all anticipation for something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Electrokinesis 12/15/17 1:41:54 PM #10:	I dunno. Ill sometimes spoil things for myself. Should I see Rogue One before seeing this? --- It's scientifically impossible for pants to feel "pain". ~ TheRealItachi <cite>Electrokinesis posted [p:892273799] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I dunno. Ill sometimes spoil things for myself. Should I see Rogue One before seeing this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:01:30 PM #11:	s0nicfan posted... OctilIery posted... s0nicfan posted... I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for. It really didn't though. You honestly think that what they did to Luke fits the character we saw grow over the original trilogy? You think completely undoing everything the rebellion had worked for so the next movie can redo the "small group against impossible odds" story is a good thing? You think that making the empire such that any old asshole can just sit in a chair and suddenly become supreme leader is reasonable? You think ending on a tease that's effectively "hey, remember episode 1?" was good service to the series? You liked Leia flying? I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892274919] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I disliked that it shit all over everything the original trilogy stood for.</quote> It really didn't though.</quote> You honestly think that what they did to Luke fits the character we saw grow over the original trilogy? You think completely undoing everything the rebellion had worked for so the next movie can redo the "small group against impossible odds" story is a good thing? You think that making the empire such that any old asshole can just sit in a chair and suddenly become supreme leader is reasonable? You think ending on a tease that's effectively "hey, remember episode 1?" was good service to the series? You liked Leia flying?</quote> I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:02:29 PM #12:	boxington posted... I really wanted to see it, but that one butt munch spoiled it. whenever I'm spoiled, I lose all anticipation for something. What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are? Electrokinesis posted... I dunno. Ill sometimes spoil things for myself. Should I see Rogue One before seeing this? You should just because Rogue One is great, but they aren't connected. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892274971] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote>I really wanted to see it, but that one butt munch spoiled it. whenever I'm spoiled, I lose all anticipation for something.</quote> What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are? <cite>Electrokinesis posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno. Ill sometimes spoil things for myself. Should I see Rogue One before seeing this?</quote> You should just because Rogue One is great, but they aren't connected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 2:05:01 PM #13:	OctilIery posted... I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy. I meant specifically with Luke losing hope, abandoning the force, and becoming a bitter hermit that has no desire to go help his friends. I'm fine with his mistake happening. Also, it's not that Luke undid everything the rebellion worked for, but the plot did. By the end of the movie, the rebellion has the fewest surviving members, the fewest resources, the fewest allies, and is in the worst condition its ever been in. It makes the entire OG trilogy fight worthless. By "any old leader" I mean the fact that when Snoke dies, Kylo just sort of says "I'm the leader now" and the ENTIRE FIRST ORDER seems just fine with that. It makes the whole group seem way too spineless that not a single person said "hey, these assholes keep getting us killed, I'm not following some random kid that Snoke liked." --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892275102] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy.</quote> I meant specifically with Luke losing hope, abandoning the force, and becoming a bitter hermit that has no desire to go help his friends. I'm fine with his mistake happening. Also, it's not that Luke undid everything the rebellion worked for, but the plot did. By the end of the movie, the rebellion has the fewest surviving members, the fewest resources, the fewest allies, and is in the worst condition its ever been in. It makes the entire OG trilogy fight worthless. By "any old leader" I mean the fact that when Snoke dies, Kylo just sort of says "I'm the leader now" and the ENTIRE FIRST ORDER seems just fine with that. It makes the whole group seem way too spineless that not a single person said "hey, these assholes keep getting us killed, I'm not following some random kid that Snoke liked."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 12/15/17 2:08:43 PM #14:	What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are? it was Izaul, so pretty much everything major in the topic title --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:892275303] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><quote>What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are?</quote> it was Izaul, so pretty much everything major in the topic title</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:09:26 PM #15:	s0nicfan posted... OctilIery posted... I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy. I meant specifically with Luke losing hope, abandoning the force, and becoming a bitter hermit that has no desire to go help his friends. I'm fine with his mistake happening. Also, it's not that Luke undid everything the rebellion worked for, but the plot did. By the end of the movie, the rebellion has the fewest surviving members, the fewest resources, the fewest allies, and is in the worst condition its ever been in. It makes the entire OG trilogy fight worthless. By "any old leader" I mean the fact that when Snoke dies, Kylo just sort of says "I'm the leader now" and the ENTIRE FIRST ORDER seems just fine with that. It makes the whole group seem way too spineless that not a single person said "hey, these assholes keep getting us killed, I'm not following some random kid that Snoke liked." Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892275340] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I already said I didn't like flying leia. Luke didn't undo everything the rebellion worked for, he made a mistake, and had a good arc of coming to terms with it in the movie. Luke was honestly one of the best parts. Also, when did they have "any old leader" become supreme leader? And yes, the ending was good. It showed the Jedi aren't done. It reinforced the idea from the original trilogy that any old nobody could be a hero, and that there was still hope in the galaxy.</quote> I meant specifically with Luke losing hope, abandoning the force, and becoming a bitter hermit that has no desire to go help his friends. I'm fine with his mistake happening. Also, it's not that Luke undid everything the rebellion worked for, but the plot did. By the end of the movie, the rebellion has the fewest surviving members, the fewest resources, the fewest allies, and is in the worst condition its ever been in. It makes the entire OG trilogy fight worthless. By "any old leader" I mean the fact that when Snoke dies, Kylo just sort of says "I'm the leader now" and the ENTIRE FIRST ORDER seems just fine with that. It makes the whole group seem way too spineless that not a single person said "hey, these assholes keep getting us killed, I'm not following some random kid that Snoke liked."</quote> Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:09:41 PM #16:	boxington posted... What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are? it was Izaul, so pretty much everything major in the topic title I didn't see the topic though <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892275356] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What did he spoil? I'll tell you how important the spoilers are?</quote> it was Izaul, so pretty much everything major in the topic title</quote> I didn't see the topic though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 2:11:59 PM #17:	OctilIery posted... Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie. Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892275488] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie.</quote> Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 12/15/17 2:13:32 PM #18:	from what I can remember ~~Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies~~ --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:892275577] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>from what I can remember Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 12/15/17 2:13:47 PM #19:	s0nicfan posted... OctilIery posted... Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie. Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has. --- Official Raven of the Injustice 2 boards Official Jill Valentine of the Marvel vs Capcom Infinite boards <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:892275593] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie.</quote> Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. </quote> But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:16:25 PM #20:	boxington posted... from what I can remember ~~Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies~~ First is wrong, other two are true, but not nearly huge enough to ruin the movie. There are much bigger parts. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892275730] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote>from what I can remember Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies</quote> First is wrong, other two are true, but not nearly huge enough to ruin the movie. There are much bigger parts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 12/15/17 2:17:18 PM #21:	cool, thanks. I'm still watching it this Saturday, though. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:892275770] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>cool, thanks. I'm still watching it this Saturday, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 2:18:08 PM #22:	Spiritlittle posted... ~~But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has.~~ Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892275813] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spiritlittle posted...</cite> <quote>But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has. </quote> Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:19:17 PM #23:	Spiritlittle posted... s0nicfan posted... OctilIery posted... Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie. Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. ~~But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has~~. Spoiler tag that btw >.> I agree about Leia not losing hope. I wish her use of the force had been more similar to that, showing Leia supporting people through the force instead of just saving herself. Also, the movie would've been infinitely better if they cut out Rose. Have Holdo tell Poe about the plan, have Poe disagree and insist on trying to save her and be a hero. Give Poe an actual character arc about learning what a hero is. Then at the end, rather than having Rose save Finn and(as far as she knew) doom the rebellion, have Poe sacrifice himself, giving him a close to his character arc and making a powerful moment. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892275874] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Spiritlittle posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Surely that has nothing to do with them being supremely powerful sith lords, right? They aren't spineless, they know his power. And no, Luke's ark was fantastic. He saw the failure in himself and the dangers it created. He saw the history of the Jedi order. It made sense, and he had good growth in the movie.</quote> Agree to disagree, then. I don't see Luke turning down on a request to help his sister as "fantastic". I saw it as a violation of everything that Luke stood for. He wasn't "Luke", he was a bitter old man used as a vehicle to make a point about the Jedi Order for the audience. </quote> But that's the whole point. Leia and Luke are established as opposites very early in the franchise, and this film shows that Leia will never lose hope, so it makes sense that Luke has.</quote> Spoiler tag that btw >.> I agree about Leia not losing hope. I wish her use of the force had been more similar to that, showing Leia supporting people through the force instead of just saving herself. Also, the movie would've been infinitely better if they cut out Rose. Have Holdo tell Poe about the plan, have Poe disagree and insist on trying to save her and be a hero. Give Poe an actual character arc about learning what a hero is. Then at the end, rather than having Rose save Finn and(as far as she knew) doom the rebellion, have Poe sacrifice himself, giving him a close to his character arc and making a powerful moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:20:06 PM #24:	s0nicfan posted... Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything. Did you miss the whole part in ROTJ where Luke was bordering on turning to the dark side? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892275917] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything.</quote> Did you miss the whole part in ROTJ where Luke was bordering on turning to the dark side?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 12/15/17 2:21:53 PM #25:	I too liked it and Luke's arc. Fucker has been living on his lonely island for how many years now and hes supposed to be the same dude he was 20 years or so ago? If he wanted to go back and save the galaxy he couldve any time but old age and isolation kind of has a way of not changing your mind once its set. Anyways, Leia did eventually get through to him with Artoo's projection of young her. And Yoda just needed to push him a little more. I loved his arc. Everyone was expecting legendary Luke but he shows some understandable flaws and omg his character is ruined!!!! --- https://i.imgur.com/Sy3Fd8J.jpg <cite>Touch posted [p:892276030] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I too liked it and Luke's arc. Fucker has been living on his lonely island for how many years now and hes supposed to be the same dude he was 20 years or so ago? If he wanted to go back and save the galaxy he couldve any time but old age and isolation kind of has a way of not changing your mind once its set. Anyways, Leia did eventually get through to him with Artoo's projection of young her. And Yoda just needed to push him a little more. I loved his arc. Everyone was expecting legendary Luke but he shows some understandable flaws and omg his character is ruined!!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 2:22:27 PM #26:	OctilIery posted... s0nicfan posted... Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything. Did you miss the whole part in ROTJ where Luke was bordering on turning to the dark side? No, but I don't see how him nearly giving in to anger against someone trying to kill his friends translates to him turning Rey down when she says that Leia needs his help. Even when R2D2 replays the original message, he STILL turns her down. It took Yoda interrupting his attempt to literally burn it all down for him to act. It completely explains why he nearly killed Ben, which I agree was a good plot point, but everything around his response to the continued rebellion just feels wrong. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892276059] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are you sure you're not confusing Leia and Han with Leia and Luke? Luke maintains full faith in the resistance and in his place as a jedi all the way through. It's Han who consistently questions the merits of everything.</quote> Did you miss the whole part in ROTJ where Luke was bordering on turning to the dark side?</quote> No, but I don't see how him nearly giving in to anger against someone trying to kill his friends translates to him turning Rey down when she says that Leia needs his help. Even when R2D2 replays the original message, he STILL turns her down. It took Yoda interrupting his attempt to literally burn it all down for him to act. It completely explains why he nearly killed Ben, which I agree was a good plot point, but everything around his response to the continued rebellion just feels wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A5modeu5 12/15/17 2:24:42 PM #27:	OctilIery posted... boxington posted... from what I can remember ~~Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies~~ First is wrong, other two are true, but not nearly huge enough to ruin the movie. There are much bigger parts. Not clear if the 2nd is true. ~~kylo could have lied~~ --- --- http://backloggery.com/a5modeu5/sig.gif <cite>A5modeu5 posted [p:892276181] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>boxington posted...</cite> <quote> from what I can remember Rey kills Snoke, Rey's parents are apparently normal people, and Leia lives while Luke dies</quote> First is wrong, other two are true, but not nearly huge enough to ruin the movie. There are much bigger parts.</quote> Not clear if the 2nd is true. kylo could have lied</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 12/15/17 2:25:23 PM #28:	It managed to retroactively make TFA a terrible movie Fuck the Last Jedi --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:892276221] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>It managed to retroactively make TFA a terrible movie Fuck the Last Jedi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 12/15/17 2:29:10 PM #29:	butthole666 posted... It managed to retroactively make TFA a terrible movie Fuck the Last Jedi TFA was already a terrible movie. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:892276432] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>It managed to retroactively make TFA a terrible movie Fuck the Last Jedi</quote> TFA was already a terrible movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 12/15/17 2:38:10 PM #30:	Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:892276915] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/15/17 2:47:26 PM #31:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. Rey is still a completely bland Mary Sue that's just naturally good at everything, but Kylo's arc is quickly turning into one of the better parts of the whole series. Adam Driver was really on point this episode and I'm legitimately interested to see where his character arc takes him in the last movie. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892277397] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> Rey is still a completely bland Mary Sue that's just naturally good at everything, but Kylo's arc is quickly turning into one of the better parts of the whole series. Adam Driver was really on point this episode and I'm legitimately interested to see where his character arc takes him in the last movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 2:50:54 PM #32:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. ~~They die, but it's good endings to their stories, especially for Luke. Rey, Kylo, and Finn are all fantastic.~~ <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892277561] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> They die, but it's good endings to their stories, especially for Luke. Rey, Kylo, and Finn are all fantastic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 12/15/17 3:30:12 PM #33:	I found the ~~shirtless kylo~~moment weird and out of place, but hilarious --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://m.youtube.com/#/user/bigbangpegasusmaster.I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:892279763] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I found the shirtless kylomoment weird and out of place, but hilarious</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/15/17 4:04:17 PM #34:	mehmeh1 posted... I found the ~~shirtless kylo~~moment weird and out of place, but hilarious Actually that does bring up another moment. A lot of the comedy just felt kind of weird and out of place :/ <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892281818] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>mehmeh1 posted...</cite> <quote>I found the shirtless kylomoment weird and out of place, but hilarious</quote> Actually that does bring up another moment. A lot of the comedy just felt kind of weird and out of place :/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
youngfossil 12/15/17 4:05:27 PM #35:	OctilIery posted... Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. ~~They die, but it's good endings to their stories, especially for Luke. Rey, Kylo, and Finn are all fantastic.~~ I disagree on the good endings of their stories --- While I may not agree with your opinion, I will defend to the death your right to have it. <cite>youngfossil posted [p:892281896] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> They die, but it's good endings to their stories, especially for Luke. Rey, Kylo, and Finn are all fantastic.</quote>I disagree on the good endings of their stories</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
drunkmuggle 12/15/17 4:05:52 PM #36:	OctilIery posted... You should just because Rogue One is great, but they aren't connected. lol --- http://i.imgur.com/JFmtaHB.gif http://i.imgur.com/jKuSyKI.jpg <cite>drunkmuggle posted [p:892281923] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>You should just because Rogue One is great, but they aren't connected. </quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DonaldClinton 12/15/17 4:06:24 PM #37:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. The force awakens is the second best Star Wars movie (I haven't seen the last Jedi yet) --- Making Anerica Great Again <cite>DonaldClinton posted [p:892281962] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> The force awakens is the second best Star Wars movie (I haven't seen the last Jedi yet)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/16/17 7:34:05 PM #38:	The more I think and talk on TLJ, the better it is. I think it's my favorite alongside ESB now, or close behind it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892345583] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>The more I think and talk on TLJ, the better it is. I think it's my favorite alongside ESB now, or close behind it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 12/17/17 11:53:16 PM #39:	s0nicfan posted... Adam Driver was really on point this episode and I'm legitimately interested to see where his character arc takes him in the last movie. I agree with this. I really didnt like Kylo in TFA, but he was one of my favorites in this. I also Googled him, and I didnt realize that he's 34... I thought he was in his younger 20s. Good on him --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:892418012] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Driver was really on point this episode and I'm legitimately interested to see where his character arc takes him in the last movie. </quote> I agree with this. I really didnt like Kylo in TFA, but he was one of my favorites in this. I also Googled him, and I didnt realize that he's 34... I thought he was in his younger 20s. Good on him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 12/19/17 1:52:51 PM #40:	Bump for truth <cite>OctilIery posted [p:892508863] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Bump for truth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 12/19/17 2:09:39 PM #41:	Nope. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:892509747] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/19/17 2:21:04 PM #42:	Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:892510359] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/19/17 2:44:35 PM #43:	dave_is_slick posted... It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die. The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892511773] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die.</quote> The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 12/19/17 2:46:14 PM #44:	i'm happy for the people who liked it but i walked out of it with soul-crushing disappointment. like it actually depressed me for a couple of days <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:892511868] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>i'm happy for the people who liked it but i walked out of it with soul-crushing disappointment. like it actually depressed me for a couple of days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 12/19/17 2:46:57 PM #45:	s0nicfan posted... dave_is_slick posted... It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die. The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now? I'm sorry, a theme needs to be said by a protagonist first before it becomes the theme? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:892511919] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die.</quote> The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now?</quote> I'm sorry, a theme needs to be said by a protagonist first before it becomes the theme?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/19/17 2:49:42 PM #46:	dave_is_slick posted... s0nicfan posted... dave_is_slick posted... It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die. The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now? I'm sorry, a theme needs to be said by a protagonist first before it becomes the theme? No, but if the theme of your movie is exclusively followed by the new leader of literal space nazis, then maybe you shouldn't be suggesting that fans of the movie follow it. The theme of star wars isn't the first half of The Lion King, before the children in the theater learn that hakuna matata is a bad way to live your life. Star Wars is about hope and never giving up against impossible odds. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:892512078] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die.</quote> The major theme as uttered exclusively by the bad guy? Are we supposed to be taking advice from sith now?</quote> I'm sorry, a theme needs to be said by a protagonist first before it becomes the theme?</quote> No, but if the theme of your movie is exclusively followed by the new leader of literal space nazis, then maybe you shouldn't be suggesting that fans of the movie follow it. The theme of star wars isn't the first half of The Lion King, before the children in the theater learn that hakuna matata is a bad way to live your life. Star Wars is about hope and never giving up against impossible odds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 12/19/17 2:49:44 PM #47:	FrenchCrunch posted... i'm happy for the people who liked it but i walked out of it with soul-crushing disappointment. like it actually depressed me for a couple of days Its because Star Wars is dead. You walked out of that movie not caring anymore. Its like finding out your childhood hero was a pederast --- You gotta fly like an eagle and not.b... be like a turkey <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:892512079] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrenchCrunch posted...</cite> <quote>i'm happy for the people who liked it but i walked out of it with soul-crushing disappointment. like it actually depressed me for a couple of days</quote> Its because Star Wars is dead. You walked out of that movie not caring anymore. Its like finding out your childhood hero was a pederast</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 12/19/17 2:51:27 PM #48:	I really dont get this recurring argument that the events of the OT are rendered meaningless by the events of the ST. Was World War 1 rendered meaningless because World War 2 happened? --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:892512172] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>I really dont get this recurring argument that the events of the OT are rendered meaningless by the events of the ST. Was World War 1 rendered meaningless because World War 2 happened?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 12/19/17 2:51:39 PM #49:	The comedy was cringeworthy and made it borderline parodic at times. That opening exchange between Poe and Hux was painful. There are many interesting story elements but this new trilogy is sacrificing its tone for a few cheap gags. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:892512181] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote>The comedy was cringeworthy and made it borderline parodic at times. That opening exchange between Poe and Hux was painful. There are many interesting story elements but this new trilogy is sacrificing its tone for a few cheap gags.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 12/19/17 2:53:58 PM #50:	dave_is_slick posted... Inferno Dive Dragoon posted... Wait, so ~~Han and Luke~~ are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to. It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die. Yep, let the past die and all... Now let's watch rebel airspeeders vs new versions of AT-ATs on not-Hoth. Disney is selling you bullshit. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:892512325] in The Last J... [t:76102224]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so Han and Luke are dead now? Ugh, this is why I haven't bothered to see the new trilogy yet, my biggest fear is that it would just be an excuse to get rid of characters I loved while replacing them with nobody worthwhile as I've heard absolutely nothing about Rey or Kylo that makes me want to watch them in action. (Quite the opposite actually, they come off as the worst parts of both movies.) I guess I'll just be skipping the new trilogy, it doesn't seem like there's anything in it for me to look forward to.</quote> It's hysterical how the major theme applies to people like you. Let the past die.</quote> Yep, let the past die and all... Now let's watch rebel airspeeders vs new versions of AT-ATs on not-Hoth. Disney is selling you bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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