Current Events > Paul Ryan: 'Americans need to have more babies'

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fenderbender321 posted...

The company i work gives paid maternity leave.

Not all do. It depends on the company.
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fenderbender321 posted...

The company i work gives paid maternity leave.

Ah... so "exists"...
Got it. Is it parental leave, or discriminatory?

We get a full year in canada at unemployment benefits rates.

My employer tops me up to almost full pay but honestly I'd rather work. Baby raising is hard.
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America actually has a declining birthrate

a lot of nations are approaching impending population castrophe, where there will be not enough people to support the older generations

Milkman5 posted...

a lot of nations are approaching impending population castrophe, where there will be not enough people to support the older generations

Better get started on that retirement savings.

He's not wrong. 1st world nations are dying since their populations are plummeting. More and more people are having one or two kids, when really, every couple should have 2.5 kids (yes, thats the number for average) to maintain population. However, many 3rd world nations are growing at much larger rates.
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Isn't India supposed to overtake China's population by 2030 or something?
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JustAndrew88 posted...

Isn't India supposed to overtake China's population by 2030 or something?

yes

hell even Nigeria will one day take over China's population.

that's a long time from now though
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Esrac posted...

college education, management experience, computer and technology skills, experience with Microsoft office programs, etc. For $9.25 an hour, 35 hours a week to drive a van selling books.

and people wonder why it's hard to get good jobs.

JustAndrew88 posted...

Isn't India supposed to overtake China's population by 2030 or something?

yes. also nigeria will surpass usa.

in sub-saharan africa the people will go up by several billion.
while in Europe it may go down slightly (even with immigration).

I think places like India (already high population density, and lack of toilets) need child limits like China has/had.

Even Africa by 2050 will have much more problems.

while Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Europe, have low birth rates. they can probably raise it by a bit.

the US birth rates are a little below average.
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Milkman5 posted...

America actually has a declining birthrate

a lot of nations are approaching impending population castrophe, where there will be not enough people to support the older generations

There doesnt have to be a catastrophe. The West is just learning the hard way that mandatory Ponzi Schemes like Social Security are a bad idea.
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knuxnole posted...

I agree, millennials are having a low rate of children and babies

Good

@r4X0r
Lets see your controversial opinion about this

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Why?

America has a declining birth rate. It's not as bad as Japan's but more people are giving up on marrying and having kids. Eventually it might get to Japan's level if we continue on the way we are now with America looking unappealing to immigrants.

So what you're saying is in the future there will be less traffic and less internet fights over immigrants?

Sign me up.
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No right to healthcare
No paid maternity leave
Higher taxes for middle class
Reduction of the child deduction credit

But have more kids.

What a fucking idiot.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No right to healthcare

There is. There's just no entitlement to force someone else to pay for it.

No maternity leave

FMLA has been a thing for over twenty years now.

Higher taxes for middle class

Yes. Were taxes lower, all around, more people could afford to raise kids.

Reduction of the child deduction credit

See immediately above. Just cut taxes all around, instead of forcing everyone else to subsidize everyone else's children.

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No maternity leave

FMLA has been a thing for over twenty years now.

You dont get paid
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No right to healthcare
No paid maternity leave
Higher taxes for middle class
Reduction of the child deduction credit

But have more kids.

What a fucking idiot.

Healthcare is a "right" in Japan and much of Europe, but people aren't having kids.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No maternity leave

FMLA has been a thing for over twenty years now.

You dont get paid

Why should you get paid for not working?
Either burn off your accumulated PTO, or support the paid leave proposal that feeds from the UI system.

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No maternity leave

FMLA has been a thing for over twenty years now.

You dont get paid

Why should you get paid for not working?
Either burn off your accumulated PTO, or support the paid leave proposal that feeds from the UI system.

Because its not a vacation, its a woman bonding with her child in a crucial developmental period with long terms benefits that fat outweigh the money it would cost taxpayers.

But, this isnt a country, its a business. So I know this is a pipe dream.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

No maternity leave

FMLA has been a thing for over twenty years now.

You dont get paid

Why should you get paid for not working?
Either burn off your accumulated PTO, or support the paid leave proposal that feeds from the UI system.

Because its not a vacation, its a woman bonding with her child in a crucial developmental period with long terms benefits that fat outweigh the money it would cost taxpayers.

But, this isnt a country, its a business. So I know this is a pipe dream.

"Come on Paul Ryan. I could have more kids if the government forced other people to pay my bills."
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Yes. Were taxes lower, all around, more people could afford to raise kids.

it's generally not taxation that causes lower middle class families to struggle, but rapidly rising costs of things such as healthcare and education. taxes are a concern principally for the upper middle class, who are not financially struggling but rather are simply uninterested in having kids at all.

but the reason paul ryan wants this is legitimate: the unemployment rate is far too low now, below the 5% mark. normally, this would force corporations to raise wages. but they're not doing that, so it's staying low. the only alternative is to increase the population until unemployment stabilizes above the 5% mark.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Because its not a vacation, its a woman bonding with her child in a crucial developmental period with long terms benefits that fat outweigh the money it would cost taxpayers.

But, only the UI plan costs "taxpayers". The rest demand an employer pay an employee for not working.
All that will accomplish, is making reproductive-age women a liability and thus largely unhirable.

Having mine in 2 months!

Probably gonna shoot for another as well

But yeah I made sure I was married and was in a house before doing so...I know some people aren't as fortunate.

But I also see a lit of men shying away from having any responsibility...they don't want to further their career...they don't want a stable relationship because it means they'll have to do every thing that comes along with that (marriage is work!), and definitely wouldn't want a kid to get in the way of their game time.

Of course that's not always the case so don't think I'm painting with a broad brush... but i know quite a few people near my age that are like that

Darkman124 posted...

but the reason paul ryan wants this is legitimate: the unemployment rate is far too low now, below the 5% mark. normally, this would force corporations to raise wages. but they're not doing that, so it's staying low. the only alternative is to increase the population until unemployment stabilizes above the 5% mark.

Shortages have a slight lag before price increases occur.
Also the unemployment rate lies. The participation rate is the relevant number.

Romes187 posted...

But I also see a lit of men shying away from having any responsibility...they don't want to further their career...they don't want a stable relationship because it means they'll have to do every thing that comes along with that (marriage is work!), and definitely wouldn't want a kid to get in the way of their game time.

Of course that's not always the case so don't think I'm painting with a broad brush... but i know quite a few people near my age that are like that

it's a question of incentive. what's in it for them?

young women are asking the same question about having kids. "What's in it for me?" if the answer is "nothing" you can't expect people to do a thing

really the unemployment issue would be resolved if companies raised salaries, then a lot of the people who quit looking for work would return to the job market
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Romes187 posted...

But yeah I made sure I was married and was in a house before doing so...I know some people aren't as fortunate.

No, some people just aren't as wise or cautious.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

but the reason paul ryan wants this is legitimate: the unemployment rate is far too low now, below the 5% mark. normally, this would force corporations to raise wages. but they're not doing that, so it's staying low. the only alternative is to increase the population until unemployment stabilizes above the 5% mark.

Shortages have a slight lag before price increases occur.

this lag isn't slight. we've been past full employment since september 2015
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Darkman124 posted...

this lag isn't slight. we've been below full employment since september 2015

So long as the labor participation rate is abysmal, there's no "low" unemployment. We're nowhere near full employment, at all.

Maybe that's why Republicans support abstinence education. Because they know it's bullshit that only a literal puddle of liquid shit would believe actually works, so then children get pregnant and because the GOP also working on making abortion impossible to get in lieu of making it illegal, it results in more children.

4D chess right here.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

this lag isn't slight. we've been below full employment since september 2015

So long as the labor participation rate is abysmal, there's no "low" unemployment. We're nowhere near full employment, at all.

participation rate has no impact on whether or not a company is struggling to find workers to fill their positions

the only thing that impacts that is the ratio how many positions are available and how many people are looking for them

and right now that ratio is such that demand significantly exceeds supply. this is supposed to cause price increases.

what's happening is a bunch of people dropped out of the labor pool when there were no jobs and companies are expecting them to come back on their own, without offering the incentive of better pay. they're denying the price increases based on the expectation that the supply will increase. and they've been waiting for the increase for years now. it has not happened.

clearly those jobs must not be that important to fill if the companies can wait two years to fill them
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Conservatives: BUT DA IMMAGRANTZ TAKIN ALL DA JERBZ!!! DARES NOT ENUF OF DEM FOR DA PEOPLE ALREADY HERE!!1!

Conservatives: We need to have more babies. Our country needs more people.
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TomNook20 posted...

Conservatives: BUT DA IMMAGRANTZ TAKIN ALL DA JERBZ!!! DARES NOT ENUF OF DEM FOR DA PEOPLE ALREADY HERE!!1!

one of the dark sides of legal immigration of skilled workers is the denial of the salary increases i mentioned

it's an alternate supply source that doesn't keep people who want work unemployed, but it does keep people who want better pay unsatisfied, both employed and unemployed
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TomNook20 posted...

Conservatives: BUT DA IMMAGRANTZ TAKIN ALL DA JERBZ!!! DARES NOT ENUF OF DEM FOR DA PEOPLE ALREADY HERE!!1!

Conservatives: We need to have more babies. Our country needs more people.

Well... it is better to grow your own cheap labor than to import it.
The real question is whether or not we'll even need cheap labor in 20-30 years.

Darkman124 posted...

clearly those jobs must not be that important to fill if the companies can wait two years to fill them

Then there's obviously no labor shortage.

Yeah, just what we need on this planet. More fucking people.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

clearly those jobs must not be that important to fill if the companies can wait two years to fill them

Then there's obviously no labor shortage.

I expect it's more to the tune of, these companies are stretched to the breaking point already waiting and will have to raise wages soon. If this continues it'll hurt corporate profits.

I can see no other reason for GOP leadership to be trying to initiate social engineering.
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Vengeance29 posted...

Yeah, just what we need on this planet. More fucking people.

I wonder if the subtext we're missing here is that wealthy people don't have children. Maybe one or two, and that's it.
Meanwhile, there's plenty of births on low end of the socioeconomic scale. Arguably too many, actually.

Darkman124 posted...

Romes187 posted...

But I also see a lit of men shying away from having any responsibility...they don't want to further their career...they don't want a stable relationship because it means they'll have to do every thing that comes along with that (marriage is work!), and definitely wouldn't want a kid to get in the way of their game time.

Of course that's not always the case so don't think I'm painting with a broad brush... but i know quite a few people near my age that are like that

it's a question of incentive. what's in it for them?

young women are asking the same question about having kids. "What's in it for me?" if the answer is "nothing" you can't expect people to do a thing

really the unemployment issue would be resolved if companies raised salaries, then a lot of the people who quit looking for work would return to the job market

I would answer that question with: responsibility.

That seems to be part of what is required for a meaningful life, at least for me. Again, I don't want to speak for others.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Why?

Because him and the republicans get off on fucking over Americans. They're starting to build up a tolerance of what they have now so they need more!
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Romes187 posted...

I would answer that question with: responsibility.

That seems to be part of what is required for a meaningful life, at least for me. Again, I don't want to speak for others.

i don't think such ephemeral things are a good answer to the general population

you want the average person to raise a baby you make it good for them in tangible ways
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Darkman124 posted...

Romes187 posted...

I would answer that question with: responsibility.

That seems to be part of what is required for a meaningful life, at least for me. Again, I don't want to speak for others.

i don't think such ephemeral things are a good answer to the general population

you want the average person to raise a baby you make it good for them in tangible ways

Yea probably

But maybe there are one or two on this board who are hungry for it :)

Darkman124 posted...

you want the average person to raise a baby you make it good for them in tangible ways

Which is exactly why only poor people seem to breed anymore.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

you want the average person to raise a baby you make it good for them in tangible ways

Which is exactly why only poor people seem to breed anymore.

yeah, they're not getting pregnant on purpose.
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Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

you want the average person to raise a baby you make it good for them in tangible ways

Which is exactly why only poor people seem to breed anymore.

yeah, they're not getting pregnant on purpose.

I tried to find some examples, and holy crap UK overwhelmed the results.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306741/Jobless-mother-10-vows-having-babies-despite-cuts-30-000-year-benefits.html
https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/new-website-teaches-girls-get-pregnant-collect-welfare/ (probably NSFW)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605677/Mother-two-never-worked-encouraged-daughter-pregnant-council-house-easy-life-benefits.html

yeah, it's a thing that happens sometimes in the UK.

there's not a comparable level of support for poor children/families in the US. so there's no motivation to have a big family on purpose, welfare leeching or not
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