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Silver Bearings
12/14/17 1:53:38 PM
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Someone told me the Bible once, but people who don't read the Bible still have a sense of morality, and some people who read the Bible don't.

Where does it come from? Is it taught or inherent?
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Lone_Snake
12/14/17 1:59:44 PM
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You don't need to be a Christian to have moral values. I'm atheist but I strongly believe that pre-marital sex and adultery are wrong. I don't believe that people who commit them are going to "hell". I don't believe in heaven, hell or afterlife. Nor do I need to be told that I will go to hell so that I don't do something which I know is objectively wrong. People had morals way before Christianity came.
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Vindris_SNH
12/14/17 2:02:52 PM
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Evolution gave us moral values, obviously.
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Rexdragon125
12/14/17 2:04:18 PM
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Vindris_SNH posted...
Evolution gave us moral values, obviously.

Yup, this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality
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einegutePerson
12/14/17 2:04:43 PM
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certain collective behavior would lead to better chance of survival for group

example bullying someone could cause division in a group, and a divided group is weaker and more likely to die
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Vindris_SNH
12/14/17 2:06:22 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
Evolution gave us moral values, obviously.

Yup, this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality


See, that article explains perfectly how we evolved our sense of morality!
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SkittyOnWailord
12/14/17 2:14:29 PM
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1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;


Stop wearing gold wedding rings. >:(

I have no idea what I'm talking about or if those quotes are accurate.
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smoke_break
12/14/17 2:15:16 PM
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cerealbox760
12/14/17 2:15:35 PM
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the environment around you
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DifferentialEquation
12/14/17 2:16:20 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, Trump decides what is and isn't moral.
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Silver Bearings
12/14/17 2:20:46 PM
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Why do I feel badly if I'm mean to someone, even if they totally deserved it?
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Lone_Snake
12/14/17 2:23:00 PM
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leverageblargh posted...
Lone_Snake posted...
You don't need to be a Christian to have moral values. I'm atheist but I strongly believe that pre-marital sex and adultery are wrong. I don't believe that people who commit them are going to "hell". I don't believe in heaven, hell or afterlife. Nor do I need to be told that I will go to hell so that I don't do something which I know is objectively wrong. People had morals way before Christianity came.


What's your reasoning for premarital sex being "wrong"?


I believe people should have sex after marriage and with their spouse only. If they had pre-marital sex while they were in love then they should get married immediately.
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hollow_shrine
12/14/17 2:24:05 PM
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Silver Bearings posted...
Why do I feel badly if I'm mean to someone, even if they totally deserved it?

Sympathetic connections with people (or really all living things) we project to be like ourselves is another assumed evolutionary development. Humans aren't the only species that displays this, and it does improve group cohesion and contribute to the survival of that group.
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spincr
12/14/17 2:24:38 PM
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The ass.
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Lost_All_Senses
12/14/17 2:26:39 PM
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I started to realize good people who aren't religious are the real heroes. Doing good and expecting no reward for it is the ultimate good. Being good to get at the reward at the end is what kids do. Kids are fake as fuck
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LeningradCowboy
12/14/17 2:32:42 PM
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Lone_Snake posted...
leverageblargh posted...
Lone_Snake posted...
You don't need to be a Christian to have moral values. I'm atheist but I strongly believe that pre-marital sex and adultery are wrong. I don't believe that people who commit them are going to "hell". I don't believe in heaven, hell or afterlife. Nor do I need to be told that I will go to hell so that I don't do something which I know is objectively wrong. People had morals way before Christianity came.


What's your reasoning for premarital sex being "wrong"?


I believe people should have sex after marriage and with their spouse only. If they had pre-marital sex while they were in love then they should get married immediately.


So it's subjective? Some people believe it's good to rape and kill people.

SkittyOnWailord posted...
1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;


Stop wearing gold wedding rings. >:(

I have no idea what I'm talking about or if those quotes are accurate.


Context.
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Damn_Underscore
12/14/17 2:33:59 PM
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The Creator A.K.A. God
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Gamer99z
12/14/17 2:35:42 PM
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We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.
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Damn_Underscore
12/14/17 2:37:55 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
I started to realize good people who aren't religious are the real heroes. Doing good and expecting no reward for it is the ultimate good


sounds euphoric

I mean really? How many people do you know that don't do things without expecting something in return?
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Lost_All_Senses
12/14/17 2:39:06 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
I started to realize good people who aren't religious are the real heroes. Doing good and expecting no reward for it is the ultimate good.

Yeah... except thats not true.

Morality is the necessary construct needed to keep society functioning. Thats why it evolved in the first place. Without it, civilization would just fall apart. So everyone is reaping some kind of benefit from it, regardless of religious belief.


You know I had that on the back of my mind when hitting post. I didn't think anyone here would be smart enough to use it tho. I think about my ways all the time and realize a lot of the nice things I do could be considered manipulation if you look at them deep enough. I feel like Im doing the right things just for the fact I think they are the right things tho
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LeningradCowboy
12/14/17 2:41:31 PM
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Gamer99z posted...
We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.


Can you think of any instances where murder, rape, lying, and theft would be beneficial to society?
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SkittyOnWailord
12/14/17 2:45:08 PM
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LeningradCowboy posted...
SkittyOnWailord posted...
1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;


Stop wearing gold wedding rings. >:(

I have no idea what I'm talking about or if those quotes are accurate.


Context.


Ok, any kind of gold earrings or necklaces then. Is that better? >_>
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UnholyMudcrab
12/14/17 2:45:53 PM
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The harder and more frequently you thump your bible, the more moral of a person you are. It's simple.
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LeningradCowboy
12/14/17 2:46:58 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
LeningradCowboy posted...
SkittyOnWailord posted...
1 Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


1 Peter 3:3-4 - Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;


Stop wearing gold wedding rings. >:(

I have no idea what I'm talking about or if those quotes are accurate.


Context.


Ok, any kind of gold earrings or necklaces then. Is that better? >_>


At least you admit you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Silver Bearings
12/14/17 2:47:34 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The harder and more frequently you thump your bible, the more moral of a person you are. It's simple.

Can I pay a surrogate to thump the Bible for me?
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Lost_All_Senses
12/14/17 2:47:52 PM
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LeningradCowboy posted...
Gamer99z posted...
We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.


Can you think of any instances where murder, rape, lying, and theft would be beneficial to society?


We are specifically talking about people doing good. The evils are irrelevant to the conversation
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LeningradCowboy
12/14/17 2:53:52 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
LeningradCowboy posted...
Gamer99z posted...
We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.


Can you think of any instances where murder, rape, lying, and theft would be beneficial to society?


We are specifically talking about people doing good. The evils are irrelevant to the conversation


No, not really. We're talking about the so-called "evolution" of morality. If my tribe is dwindling and/or we lack basic necessities for survival, would such "evils" suddenly become good?
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Gamer99z
12/14/17 2:55:52 PM
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LeningradCowboy posted...
Gamer99z posted...
We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.


Can you think of any instances where murder, rape, lying, and theft would be beneficial to society?

Solely biologically speaking technically yes, there could be individual instances of it potentially working out or being necessary in a general sense, however specifically within a tribe or society of some kind, those things are a recipe for disaster. If you can't trust your fellow man your society will crash and you'll either die when it happens or shortly after because you'll be on your own.
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Lost_All_Senses
12/14/17 3:07:23 PM
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LeningradCowboy posted...
Lost_All_Senses posted...
LeningradCowboy posted...
Gamer99z posted...
We biologically evolved to have it since we evolved as a social species that relies on each other for survival. Having emotions and a set of morals benefits not only yourself but everyone in your tribe not having to worry about murderers, rapists, liars, thiefs, etc.


Can you think of any instances where murder, rape, lying, and theft would be beneficial to society?


We are specifically talking about people doing good. The evils are irrelevant to the conversation


No, not really. We're talking about the so-called "evolution" of morality. If my tribe is dwindling and/or we lack basic necessities for survival, would such "evils" suddenly become good?


Oh sorry. I got wrapped up in my own shit and had a narcissistic moment. We are having 2 different convos >_>
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Callixtus
12/14/17 3:14:22 PM
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Either it is an objective reality that comes from God, or it's a squishy, wish-washy, yet capricious will of the majority that changes every few years without any rhyme or reason besides popular belief.

Take your pick.
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