Current Events > With Net Neutrality ending today I just wanted to say it was nice knowing yall

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Touch posted...

I still hate all of you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vguz5CuATEE
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Mal_Fet posted...

CableZL posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Because the free market (ideally) ensures competition will drive costs down and services up. And there's 5 different big ISPs in my city to choose from.

The internet service industry in the US is not a free market.

True, we should make it freer.

Repealing NN is one way to do that.

Repealing net neutrality does nothing to make the US internet service industry more like a free market.
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CableZL posted...

Repealing net neutrality does nothing to make the US internet service industry more like a free market.

Either you don't know what net neutrality is or you don't know what the concept of a free market is.
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I remember the free market in maplestory
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Mal_Fet posted...

CableZL posted...

Repealing net neutrality does nothing to make the US internet service industry more like a free market.

Either you don't know what net neutrality is or you don't know what the concept of a free market is.

I understand what net neutrality is, understand what a free market is, and understand how the internet service industry in the US works.
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In a free market, you don't have regional monopolies/duopolies where incumbent entities fight tooth and nail to keep new startups from forming and providing service.

AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon are well known to use the courts to block any startup ISPs from even beginning to provide service in areas where they are the incumbents.
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Lol not surprised Mal would defend this. Only the biggest trolls on the board are saying this is a good thing

Conversely, if I make a new cereal, I'm not going to have lawsuits from Kellogs or General Mills to keep my cereal off the shelves.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Either you don't know what net neutrality is or you don't know what the concept of a free market is

Well which is it that you don't know Mal? I'm guessing it's both
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Hell, one of the biggest difficulties Google Fiber is having in starting to provide service and continuing to expand is incumbent ISPs fighting them in the courts. How is that a "free market" at all?
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CableZL posted...

In a free market, you don't have regional monopolies/duopolies where incumbent entities fight tooth and nail to keep new startups from forming and providing service.

AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon are well known to use the courts to block any startup ISPs from even beginning to provide service in areas where they are the incumbents.

In a free market you also don't have the government telling businesses how they're allowed to run their business and what services they are to provide.

Saying " the market isn't free now, so there's no sense in trying to make it free in any capacity" makes no fucking sense.

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.
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Mal_Fet posted...

In a free market you also don't have the government telling businesses how they're allowed to run their business and what services they are to provide

We don't and have never had a free market. Because regulations are required to prevent corporate greed. It's why we have laws against national monopolies

Mal_Fet posted...

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.

Not even remotely true
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Mal_Fet posted...

In a free market you also don't have the government telling businesses how they're allowed to run their business and what services they are to provide.

Actually you do. In the cereal industry, for example, the FDA still regulates certain things about the cereal itself. Same for shampoos and other bathroom products. In the networking industry, the FCC regulates what frequencies are allowed for use with wifi and cellular connectivity.

Mal_Fet posted...

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.

Overreaching regulations that ISP lobbyists wrote.
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Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

Can you explain please I'm uneducated about this
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Kanaya413 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You guys know that all that will change is the internet will work like it did prior to February 2015, right

Can you explain please I'm uneducated about this

Mal_Fet is somehow under the impression that ISPs didn't block/throttle/restrict services at all prior to 2015.
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Can yall take this shitshow to another topic this is about missing each other but you guys are making me not want to miss you guys
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Mal_Fet posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vguz5CuATEE

LMAO

Mal_Fet literally posting a milo vid
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Mal_Fet posted...

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.

Like I asked in my last post you ignored, specifically what regulations caused that, what specific regulations need to be removed, and how do you you think we can solve the issue through deregulation?
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It seems a lot of people who constantly advocate for free markets don't really understand just how much the government is involved in regulating free markets in the interest of the consumer. The government absolutely does regulate companies in free markets to tell them how to run certain aspects of their business.

For example, the company I work for sells products in a free market industry, but the government absolutely does have a lot of say in how the business is run.

1) Regulations we have to abide by in our buildings.
- Clearly marked fire escape routes
- Exit signs that will still be powered for a certain period of time if the building loses power
- Handicap access
- Any cables run along the floor must be taped down to reduce the chance that people trip over them

2) The FCC regulations I have to abide by when designing the network our business uses to function
- Our wireless access points can only broadcast on certain frequencies defined by the FCC for use with wireless networks.
- The FCC also defines the maximum power that those wireless access points can broadcast on those allowed frequencies
- The FCC also states that we cannot block wifi or cellular signals from user devices. Some hotels recently tried this in the past few years to force people to pay for their wifi and were fined by the FCC.

Just to give a few examples. I'm sure there are a ton more than that, but as a network engineer, those are some of the biggest ones I have to be wary of.
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CableZL posted...

Overreaching regulations that ISP lobbyists wrote.

Oh so it turns out that you do agree that regulations are not always good.

Question, why is your distrust of lobbying exclusively when it comes to corporations but not when it comes to political groups like Soros bankrolling net neutrality?
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I hope that the demise of NN means also that trolls like Mal_Fet won't be able to continue stealing WiFi to shit post here.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Oh so it turns out that you do agree that regulations are not always good

Just like regulations are not always bad. No one but you is operating on this binary logic.
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Gamer99z posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.

Like I asked in my last post you ignored, specifically what regulations caused that, what specific regulations need to be removed, and how do you you think we can solve the issue through deregulation?

He ignored it and will continue to ignore it because he doesn't know. He's just talking out his ass regurgitating right wing rhetoric that regulation is bad and that any potential time the free market doesn't work out perfectly it must be some regulations fault while not actually knowing what that regulation is, just that it must be there and must be the cause of it.
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Mal_Fet posted...

CableZL posted...

Overreaching regulations that ISP lobbyists wrote.

Oh so it turns out that you do agree that regulations are not always good.

Question, why is your distrust of lobbying exclusively when it comes to corporations but not when it comes to political groups like Soros bankrolling net neutrality?

I never said regulations are always good. They aren't always bad, either. My distrust of lobbying in this case comes from:

1) My understanding of how the internet works
2) My understanding of how networking in general works
3) My understanding of ISPs and how they work
4) My understanding of the things ISPs have done in the past
5) My understanding of the internet service industry in the United States
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xBloodBrotherx posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

And lest we forget, it's only because of overreaching regulations that these big isps are able to legally prevent small isps from forming.

Like I asked in my last post you ignored, specifically what regulations caused that, what specific regulations need to be removed, and how do you you think we can solve the issue through deregulation?

He ignored it and will continue to ignore it because he doesn't know. He's just talking out his ass regurgitating right wing rhetoric that regulation is bad and that any potential time the free market doesn't work out perfectly it must be some regulations fault while not actually knowing what that regulation is, just that it must be there and must be the cause of it.

Seems like it.
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