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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:13:06 AM #1: |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5172731/bombers-family-claim-outrage-law-enforcement.html
The family of the would-be suicide bomber who plotted to blow himself up in a Port Authority subway in an ISIS-inspired plot during morning Manhattan rush hour claims they are are 'outraged' by the way they were treated - but they aren't getting much sympathy. Cry me a river. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 12/14/17 9:14:53 AM #2: |
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. Their anger is understandable here, though. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FightingGames 12/14/17 9:14:55 AM #3: |
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:15:06 AM #4: |
Honestly parents should be automatically notified when their kids are being questioned. Police are snakes.
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pinky0926 12/14/17 9:16:36 AM #6: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. Agreed. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:17:14 AM #7: |
Spooking posted...
The Admiral posted...Akayed Ullah, 27, lived with his mother, sister and two brothers in Brooklyn. He built his homemade pipe bomb inside the residence. Welcome to every mass shooter ever. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:18:10 AM #8: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:19:16 AM #9: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted... Bullshit. You know you can tell the cops anything with an attorney present and it counsel only guarantees it won't be used against you? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:19:17 AM #10: |
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:21:00 AM #12: |
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...Solar_Crimson posted... Yes, it is. Because kids don't understand their rights as well as adults. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:21:40 AM #13: |
ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...pinky0926 posted...Solar_Crimson posted... This is America. None of us understand our rights --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MysticMismagius 12/14/17 9:22:05 AM #14: |
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.Solar_Crimson posted...No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.The Admiral posted...Agreed.But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.Their anger is understandable here, though. --- I'm not very good at this... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:23:03 AM #15: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
ChainedRedone posted...The Admiral posted... Sadly, you're right. It continues to amaze me when even innocent people talk to the police without an attorney. Regardless, it's still unethical. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:23:45 AM #16: |
MysticMismagius posted...
The Admiral posted...pinky0926 posted...Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.Solar_Crimson posted...No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.The Admiral posted...Agreed.But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.Their anger is understandable here, though. He wan't being accused of a crime, so there was no "confession" to get. This was not an interrogation, despite the apologist lawyer trying to frame it that way, so there was no obligation to contact the parents. Police are allowed to question kids without parents present, and sometimes it's actually mandatory (such as in parental abuse questioning). --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:25:38 AM #18: |
The Admiral posted...
MysticMismagius posted...The Admiral posted... He wasn't being accused of anything? Yeah sure and neither were the many proven false confessions police managed to extract from innocent people. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 12/14/17 9:26:10 AM #19: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Infinite 2003 12/14/17 9:26:49 AM #20: |
Spooking posted...
Spooking posted...The family seriously didn't know what was going on with him? Did....You just respond to yourself? --- Political Correctness is facism pretending to be manners - George Carlin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 12/14/17 9:26:51 AM #21: |
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...Solar_Crimson posted...The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. This may come as a shock to you but children and teenagers have rights in situations like this regardless of who their family is --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:27:09 AM #22: |
ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...MysticMismagius posted...The Admiral posted... So your fear is that the police were going to try to pin the suicide bombing on this teenager when the suspect was already in custody? Not exactly following your objection here. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JxOxNxIxCxS 12/14/17 9:28:21 AM #23: |
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ThyCorndog 12/14/17 9:28:30 AM #24: |
Spooking posted...
Spooking posted... --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:29:04 AM #25: |
SpiritSephiroth posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...Solar_Crimson posted...The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it? --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:29:33 AM #26: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...GOATSLAYER posted...Solar_Crimson posted...The Admiral posted...But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present. It isn't breaking the law. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MysticMismagius 12/14/17 9:30:15 AM #27: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...This assumes hundreds of lives will be saved by doing this unethical interrogation.GOATSLAYER posted...If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?Solar_Crimson posted...I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.The Admiral posted...Attorneys and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did itBut hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.Their anger is understandable here, though. --- I'm not very good at this... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:30:48 AM #28: |
MysticMismagius posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...SpiritSephiroth posted...This assumes hundreds of lives will be saved by doing this unethical interrogation.GOATSLAYER posted...If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?Solar_Crimson posted...I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.The Admiral posted...Attorneys and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did itBut hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.Their anger is understandable here, though. Sorry, I meant to say potentially save --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 12/14/17 9:31:00 AM #29: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
hundreds of people ah yes, the guy who managed to turn a suicide bombing attempt into a demonstration of blowing your dick off definitely has plans set in motion that'll involve hundreds of fatalities --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 12/14/17 9:31:18 AM #30: |
The Admiral posted...
It isn't breaking the law. Right, but it's not a stretch to see why a family would be upset that their kid was pulled out of class to be interrogated by police regardless of the circumstances. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:32:37 AM #31: |
ThyCorndog posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...hundreds of people They didn't know what exactly was going on. For all they knew, he was part of ISIS and they were planning 9/11 part 2. They needed more information to understand what was going on --- Hide your kids, hide your goats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:33:00 AM #32: |
The Admiral posted...
ChainedRedone posted... The Admiral posted... False confessions happen. You can't trust the police not to manipulate your child into incriminating statements because we've known it to happen. Your claim that the police weren't accusing him of a crime shows a naive trust of the police who will undoubtedly use statements against him or his family if he unwittingly incriminates himself, even if he and his family is innocent. It has happened. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:34:36 AM #33: |
GOATSLAYER posted...
ThyCorndog posted... Yeah dude, might as well break every law in the book then! And as people have said, the police didn't break the law. But it's not difficult to see why anyone well versed in the criminal justice system would be upset of this occurring. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/14/17 9:34:54 AM #34: |
pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...It isn't breaking the law. Who gives a shit what the family thinks when they let someone plot a terrorist attack and build a fucking pipe bomb in their house without saying anything? That's not exactly something you can do without drawing attention. If I were the cops, I'd assume they were at the very least indifferent to that plot and would influence the teenager if present. Cops are absolutely allowed to questions kids without parents present in cases like this when the kid is not being implicated in the crime. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GOATSLAYER 12/14/17 9:36:33 AM #36: |
I've been meaning to watch 24. One of friends wouldn't shut up about it when it was still airing lol
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 9:37:01 AM #37: |
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...The Admiral posted... As people have said, nobody is saying the cops broke the law. They are stating that they understand why the parents are upset. It's very easy to manipulate a child. Not sure what you're trying to argue here. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 12/14/17 9:39:06 AM #39: |
ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...pinky0926 posted...The Admiral posted... Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 12/14/17 9:42:13 AM #40: |
The Admiral posted...
Who gives a shit what the family thinks The family does. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Near_ 12/14/17 9:50:16 AM #41: |
Yeah, no shit the family is upset. Like my criminal procedure professor, if I ever have children, I'm instructing them to never talk to the cops if I'm not there. Minors are impressionable and are more liable to tell things the cops want to hear, even if they're not true. And even if they're not being accused of a crime themselves, lots of police departments notify the parents when they're questioning their child because they know parents get upset. It's that community policing thing that is so much better but no one wants to do.
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iClockwork 12/14/17 10:03:17 AM #43: |
pinky0926 posted...
Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights. That and there's no guarantee the threat of public harm was over. It would be safe to make an assumption that his brother might have information about another bomber meaning to set off another attack. Public safety > feelings. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/14/17 10:16:49 AM #44: |
Infinite 2003 posted...
Spooking posted...Spooking posted...The family seriously didn't know what was going on with him? That's what happens when people use alts to shitpost --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masticatingman 12/14/17 10:25:30 AM #45: |
Its routine. And in cases of extremism like this, usually another family member is into the exact same shit or at least is aware of what went on. So dont equate extremist terrorism to mass shooting out of nowhere.
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ChainedRedone 12/14/17 10:41:43 AM #46: |
iClockwork posted...
pinky0926 posted...Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights. No one is arguing that. It seems a lot of you have trouble understanding the conversation. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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