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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:13:06 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5172731/bombers-family-claim-outrage-law-enforcement.html

The family of the would-be suicide bomber who plotted to blow himself up in a Port Authority subway in an ISIS-inspired plot during morning Manhattan rush hour claims they are are 'outraged' by the way they were treated - but they aren't getting much sympathy.

Akayed Ullah, 27, lived with his mother, sister and two brothers in Brooklyn. He built his homemade pipe bomb inside the residence.

But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

The family says it expects more from the justice system.

The statement was released on behalf of the family by Albert Fox Cahn, legal director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations in New York.

'But we are also outraged by the behavior of law enforcement officials who have held children as small as four years old out in the cold and who held a teenager out of high school classes to interrogate him without a lawyer, without his parents.


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Solar_Crimson
12/14/17 9:14:53 AM
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The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.
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FightingGames
12/14/17 9:14:55 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Akayed Ullah

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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:15:06 AM
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Honestly parents should be automatically notified when their kids are being questioned. Police are snakes.
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pinky0926
12/14/17 9:16:36 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:17:14 AM
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Spooking posted...
The Admiral posted...
Akayed Ullah, 27, lived with his mother, sister and two brothers in Brooklyn. He built his homemade pipe bomb inside the residence.

No wonder why the police did what they did. The family seriously didn't know what was going on with him?


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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:18:10 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.

Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:19:16 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.

Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth.


Bullshit. You know you can tell the cops anything with an attorney present and it counsel only guarantees it won't be used against you?
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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:19:17 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:21:00 AM
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The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.


Yes, it is. Because kids don't understand their rights as well as adults.
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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:21:40 AM
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ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.


Yes, it is. Because kids don't understand their rights as well as adults.

This is America. None of us understand our rights
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MysticMismagius
12/14/17 9:22:05 AM
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The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Agreed.
No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:23:03 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.


Yes, it is. Because kids don't understand their rights as well as adults.

This is America. None of us understand our rights


Sadly, you're right. It continues to amaze me when even innocent people talk to the police without an attorney. Regardless, it's still unethical.
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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:23:45 AM
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MysticMismagius posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Agreed.
No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.


He wan't being accused of a crime, so there was no "confession" to get. This was not an interrogation, despite the apologist lawyer trying to frame it that way, so there was no obligation to contact the parents. Police are allowed to question kids without parents present, and sometimes it's actually mandatory (such as in parental abuse questioning).
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:25:38 AM
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The Admiral posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Agreed.
No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.


He wan't being accused of a crime, so there was no "confession" to get. This was not an interrogation, despite the apologist lawyer trying to frame it that way, so there was no obligation to contact the parents. Police are allowed to question kids without parents present, and sometimes it's actually mandatory (such as in parental abuse questioning).


He wasn't being accused of anything? Yeah sure and neither were the many proven false confessions police managed to extract from innocent people.
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SpiritSephiroth
12/14/17 9:26:10 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.

Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it


I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.
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Infinite 2003
12/14/17 9:26:49 AM
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Spooking posted...
Spooking posted...
The family seriously didn't know what was going on with him?

They were probably scared they would get called racist for profiling their own son.


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pinky0926
12/14/17 9:26:51 AM
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The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.


Agreed.


No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.


This may come as a shock to you but children and teenagers have rights in situations like this regardless of who their family is
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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:27:09 AM
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ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Agreed.
No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.


He wan't being accused of a crime, so there was no "confession" to get. This was not an interrogation, despite the apologist lawyer trying to frame it that way, so there was no obligation to contact the parents. Police are allowed to question kids without parents present, and sometimes it's actually mandatory (such as in parental abuse questioning).


He wasn't being accused of anything? Yeah sure and neither were the many proven false confessions police managed to extract from innocent people.


So your fear is that the police were going to try to pin the suicide bombing on this teenager when the suspect was already in custody? Not exactly following your objection here.
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JxOxNxIxCxS
12/14/17 9:28:21 AM
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FightingGames posted...
The Admiral posted...
Akayed Ullah

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ThyCorndog
12/14/17 9:28:30 AM
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Spooking posted...
Spooking posted...


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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:29:04 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.

Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it


I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.

If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?
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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:29:33 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.

Their anger is understandable here, though.

Attornies and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it


I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.

If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?


It isn't breaking the law.
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MysticMismagius
12/14/17 9:30:15 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Attorneys and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it
I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.
If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?
This assumes hundreds of lives will be saved by doing this unethical interrogation.
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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:30:48 AM
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MysticMismagius posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Attorneys and other adults being present would've prevented the cops from getting the truth. They needed to know if the suicide bomber was working with anyone else and why he did it
I find it funny that people are willing to disregard/ignore the law whenever they feel like it.
If you could save hundreds of people by breaking a small law like this and talking to a kid without his guardians, why wouldn't you do it?
This assumes hundreds of lives will be saved by doing this unethical interrogation.

Sorry, I meant to say potentially save
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ThyCorndog
12/14/17 9:31:00 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
hundreds of people

ah yes, the guy who managed to turn a suicide bombing attempt into a demonstration of blowing your dick off definitely has plans set in motion that'll involve hundreds of fatalities
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pinky0926
12/14/17 9:31:18 AM
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The Admiral posted...
It isn't breaking the law.


Right, but it's not a stretch to see why a family would be upset that their kid was pulled out of class to be interrogated by police regardless of the circumstances.
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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:32:37 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
hundreds of people

ah yes, the guy who managed to turn a suicide bombing attempt into a demonstration of blowing your dick off definitely has plans set in motion that'll involve hundreds of fatalities

They didn't know what exactly was going on. For all they knew, he was part of ISIS and they were planning 9/11 part 2. They needed more information to understand what was going on
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:33:00 AM
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The Admiral posted...
ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
The Admiral posted...
But hours after the failed attack, his family said it was outraged by the way it was targeted by law enforcement, including pulling a teenage relative from class and questioning him without a parent, guardian or attorney present.
Their anger is understandable here, though.
Agreed.
No, it isn't. The parents could have been in on it given that the bomb was built in their house. They're not going to get any useful info that way.
Thats no excuse to interrogate a kid, who may not fully understand his rights, without his parents/guardians or a lawyer there to help prevent him from being frightened into a false confession.


He wan't being accused of a crime, so there was no "confession" to get. This was not an interrogation, despite the apologist lawyer trying to frame it that way, so there was no obligation to contact the parents. Police are allowed to question kids without parents present, and sometimes it's actually mandatory (such as in parental abuse questioning).


He wasn't being accused of anything? Yeah sure and neither were the many proven false confessions police managed to extract from innocent people.

So your fear is that the police were going to try to pin the suicide bombing on this teenager when the suspect was already in custody? Not exactly following your objection here.


False confessions happen. You can't trust the police not to manipulate your child into incriminating statements because we've known it to happen. Your claim that the police weren't accusing him of a crime shows a naive trust of the police who will undoubtedly use statements against him or his family if he unwittingly incriminates himself, even if he and his family is innocent. It has happened.
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:34:36 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
hundreds of people

ah yes, the guy who managed to turn a suicide bombing attempt into a demonstration of blowing your dick off definitely has plans set in motion that'll involve hundreds of fatalities

They didn't know what exactly was going on. For all they knew, he was part of ISIS and they were planning 9/11 part 2. They needed more information to understand what was going on


Yeah dude, might as well break every law in the book then! And as people have said, the police didn't break the law. But it's not difficult to see why anyone well versed in the criminal justice system would be upset of this occurring.
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The Admiral
12/14/17 9:34:54 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...
It isn't breaking the law.


Right, but it's not a stretch to see why a family would be upset that their kid was pulled out of class to be interrogated by police regardless of the circumstances.


Who gives a shit what the family thinks when they let someone plot a terrorist attack and build a fucking pipe bomb in their house without saying anything? That's not exactly something you can do without drawing attention. If I were the cops, I'd assume they were at the very least indifferent to that plot and would influence the teenager if present. Cops are absolutely allowed to questions kids without parents present in cases like this when the kid is not being implicated in the crime.
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GOATSLAYER
12/14/17 9:36:33 AM
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I've been meaning to watch 24. One of friends wouldn't shut up about it when it was still airing lol
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 9:37:01 AM
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The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...
It isn't breaking the law.


Right, but it's not a stretch to see why a family would be upset that their kid was pulled out of class to be interrogated by police regardless of the circumstances.


Who gives a shit what the family thinks when they let someone plot a terrorist attack and build a fucking pipe bomb in their house without saying anything? That's not exactly something you can do without drawing attention. If I were the cops, I'd assume they were at the very least indifferent to that plot and would influence the teenager if present. Cops are absolutely allowed to questions kids without parents present in cases like this when the kid is not being implicated in the crime.


As people have said, nobody is saying the cops broke the law. They are stating that they understand why the parents are upset. It's very easy to manipulate a child. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.
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pinky0926
12/14/17 9:39:06 AM
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ChainedRedone posted...
The Admiral posted...
pinky0926 posted...
The Admiral posted...
It isn't breaking the law.


Right, but it's not a stretch to see why a family would be upset that their kid was pulled out of class to be interrogated by police regardless of the circumstances.


Who gives a shit what the family thinks when they let someone plot a terrorist attack and build a fucking pipe bomb in their house without saying anything? That's not exactly something you can do without drawing attention. If I were the cops, I'd assume they were at the very least indifferent to that plot and would influence the teenager if present. Cops are absolutely allowed to questions kids without parents present in cases like this when the kid is not being implicated in the crime.


As people have said, nobody is saying the cops broke the law. They are stating that they understand why the parents are upset. It's very easy to manipulate a child. Not sure what you're trying to argue here.


Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights.
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JE19426
12/14/17 9:42:13 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Who gives a shit what the family thinks


The family does.
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_Near_
12/14/17 9:50:16 AM
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Yeah, no shit the family is upset. Like my criminal procedure professor, if I ever have children, I'm instructing them to never talk to the cops if I'm not there. Minors are impressionable and are more liable to tell things the cops want to hear, even if they're not true. And even if they're not being accused of a crime themselves, lots of police departments notify the parents when they're questioning their child because they know parents get upset. It's that community policing thing that is so much better but no one wants to do.
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iClockwork
12/14/17 10:03:17 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights.

That and there's no guarantee the threat of public harm was over. It would be safe to make an assumption that his brother might have information about another bomber meaning to set off another attack.

Public safety > feelings.
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thronedfire2
12/14/17 10:16:49 AM
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Infinite 2003 posted...
Spooking posted...
Spooking posted...
The family seriously didn't know what was going on with him?

They were probably scared they would get called racist for profiling their own son.


Did....You just respond to yourself?


That's what happens when people use alts to shitpost
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masticatingman
12/14/17 10:25:30 AM
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Its routine. And in cases of extremism like this, usually another family member is into the exact same shit or at least is aware of what went on. So dont equate extremist terrorism to mass shooting out of nowhere.
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ChainedRedone
12/14/17 10:41:43 AM
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iClockwork posted...
pinky0926 posted...
Admiral does have a point though, I mean in the wake of a terror attack there's not much room to consider the suspect's family's feelings, only their rights.

That and there's no guarantee the threat of public harm was over. It would be safe to make an assumption that his brother might have information about another bomber meaning to set off another attack.

Public safety > feelings.


No one is arguing that. It seems a lot of you have trouble understanding the conversation.
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