Current Events > Porn star says he won't cry over August Ames because she advocated homophobia.

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Seriously, when a gay porn star gets HIV, it is a massive news story. You guys know NOTHING about the gay porn industry, and neither did August Ames. People shouldnt have attacked her, but she 100% deserved to be called out.

@r4X0r posted...

No personal offense to you, but the United States Center For Disease Control says you're wrong, and I trust them more than I trust you.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

Way to completely ignore everything I posted LOL. We are talking about the gay porn industry, not the gay club scene. HIV will destroy your business. Gay porn producers are strict as hell.

I mean, this is directly from CDC.GOV. How much more authoritative a source do you want?


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CiIantro posted...

@r4X0r posted...

No personal offense to you, but the United States Center For Disease Control says you're wrong, and I trust them more than I trust you.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

Way to completely ignore everything I posted LOL. We are talking about the gay porn industry, not the gay club scene.

That's exceptionally funny since one of the main attacks on Ames was "But you don't know what people do in their spare time!"

The United States Government acknowledges that men who have sex with men are more likely to have HIV than men who don't. I'm sorry if you don't like that reality, but that's still reality.
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r4X0r posted...

I mean, this is directly from CDC.GOV. How much more authoritative a source do you want?

Keep ignoring my points. Troll harder, bro.

r4X0r posted...

The United States Government acknowledges that men who have sex with men are more likely to have HIV than men who don't. I'm sorry if you don't like that reality, but that's still reality.

Good thing they are in an incredibly controlled environment.


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"Troll?" I posted official statistics straight from the United States Government showing that the MSM demographic is more likely to have HIV. Ames didn't want to have sex with the MSM demographic because she didn't want to risk catching HIV.

Sometimes, it just really is that simple. There's no bigotry, there's no homophobia, there's just simple straight up facts and statistics.
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They test every three weeks for HIV! That's excellent! Too bad HIV can go for up to four and a half weeks undetected.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/testing.html

Going to whine about the source again?

This woman didn't want to catch HIV from a demographic that's more likely to have HIV, exactly what is your problem with her freedom of choice? She's not allowed to decide who fucks her? That's kind of misogynist, don't you think?

Well, it doesn't matter now- she's dead because of hate from people like you.
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r4X0r posted...

They test every three weeks for HIV! That's excellent! Too bad HIV can go for up to four and a half weeks undetected.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/testing.html

Going to whine about the source again?

This woman didn't want to catch HIV from a demographic that's more likely to have HIV, exactly what is your problem with her freedom of choice? She's not allowed to decide who fucks her? That's kind of misogynist, don't you think?

Well, it doesn't matter now- she's dead because of hate from people like you.

rofl, I literally cant even.

Let's sum this up.

Woman doesn't want to have sex with people from a group acknowledged by the US government to have high rates of HIV.

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HOMOPHOBE!
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r4X0r posted...

Let's sum this up.

Woman doesn't want to have sex with people from a group acknowledged by the US government to have high rates of HIV.

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HOMOPHOBE!

ok

The Admiral posted...

Gay men are over 50 times more likely than straight people to have HIV, on average.

Good thing we're talking about mostly straight male porn stars willing to do gay porn using the industry's safest practices, and not the average gay man.

The Admiral posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Funbazooka posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

she hurt a lot of people.

That is an egregious lie.

Think about who actually was hurt here. Just take a moment. It might come to you, if you try real hard.

Gee, I wonder how spreading misinformation and branding an entire demographic as pariahs could possibly hurt anyone. Oh well, doesnt apply to me, better go back to playing video games and being mad about things I dont understand

What misinformation? Gay men are over 50 times more likely than straight people to have HIV, on average. And given that gay porn stars are looser with condom requirements, nothing she said was wrong.

50 times more likely? You really do suck at statistical analysis.
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Sayoria posted...

I'm with him. If you advocate homophobia, then your death is merely just another drop in the bucket.

Cold, whatever. You don't care about their lives, why should we care about yours?

What a pathetic troll.
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EnragedSlith posted...

m_mungmung posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Because shes a sex worker and paid to have sex with people she otherwise wouldnt. And because she tapped into age old homophobic propaganda to justify an irrational fear of working with actors whod done gay for pay. And, as a public figure, her words and actions carried weight.

>irrational
>clearly based on a reason, no matter whether or not its based on factual evidence
>shes a public figure so we dont have to treat her like a human being

Are you stupid or cruel enough to advocate the harassment of a woman because she had the gall to be wrong about a health and safety issue?

Data being misrepresented is not factual evidence. HIV infection rates are significantly higher in the South, for instance, so should she have screened potential coworkers on that justification as well? Also, black people, particularly women.

And data doesnt account for promiscuity, numbers of partners, protection, screening, income, or medication being used. Porn actors have unprotected sex with A LOT of different people with all sorts of backgrounds. Including people whove had sex with people whove had sex with people at a higher risk for infection. Which would put them at a much higher risk, nothing else being considered. So why dont we hear about porn actors constantly being diagnosed with HIV?

Oh, because theyre frequently screened for it. Huh.

She was an idiot. She made an offensive statement. She deserved to get called out. Suicide doesnt absolve her. Im allowed to be sad she killed herself and criticize her at the same time.

tamashii posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

m_mungmung posted...

EnragedSlith posted...

Because shes a sex worker and paid to have sex with people she otherwise wouldnt. And because she tapped into age old homophobic propaganda to justify an irrational fear of working with actors whod done gay for pay. And, as a public figure, her words and actions carried weight.

>irrational
>clearly based on a reason, no matter whether or not its based on factual evidence
>shes a public figure so we dont have to treat her like a human being

Are you stupid or cruel enough to advocate the harassment of a woman because she had the gall to be wrong about a health and safety issue?

Data being misrepresented is not factual evidence. HIV infection rates are significantly higher in the South, for instance, so should she have screened potential coworkers on that justification as well? Also, black people, particularly women.

And data doesnt account for promiscuity, numbers of partners, protection, screening, income, or medication being used. Porn actors have unprotected sex with A LOT of different people with all sorts of backgrounds. Including people whove had sex with people whove had sex with people at a higher risk for infection. Which would put them at a much higher risk, nothing else being considered. So why dont we hear about porn actors constantly being diagnosed with HIV?

Oh, because theyre frequently screened for it. Huh.

She was an idiot. She made an offensive statement. She deserved to get called out. Suicide doesnt absolve her. Im allowed to be sad she killed herself and criticize her at the same time.

Yeah, this is all legit. I'm not sad because I've literally never even heard of her before this happened, but I agree 100% with the rest.

The tolerant left ladies and gentleman. No wonder Trump won the election. The left are either just as bad or worse.
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Social justice scumbags trying to peer pressure women into having sex with people that they don't want to. Disgusting.

CiIantro posted...

r4X0r posted...

I mean, this is directly from CDC.GOV. How much more authoritative a source do you want?

Keep ignoring my points. Troll harder, bro.

This is unfortunately a scenario that nobody will truly know the rates to unless someone manages to perform a cohort study. Access to PHI is very stringent and you're basing your stance around a policy statement from a single production studio. I'd honestly be interested to see how different the prevalence in the MSM porn industry is vs. the non-MSM vs. the general population. It's probably between the latter two, but we'd have to actually collect that data before we can reliably make that claim. I know you genuinely want to believe that HIV rates are the same in both arms of the industry, but we don't really have much to go by other than the CDC's information on the general population.
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Im sorry but I doubt this women killed herself over online bullying though it certainly may have been the straw that broke the camals. Its not normal for people to take their own lives over such things, their was clearly other issues behind the scenes (not surprising given her profession, there is certainly some shady shit in that industry). On the topic at hand she should be free to pick who to and who not to sleep with even regarding her profession, though recognize how that could harm her reputation and draw backlash.
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r4X0r posted...

They test every three weeks for HIV! That's excellent! Too bad HIV can go for up to four and a half weeks undetected.

What
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r4X0r posted...

Let's sum this up.

Woman doesn't want to have sex with people from a group acknowledged by the US government to have high rates of HIV.

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HOMOPHOBE!

In current year, taking precautions means one inevitably falls under some classification of bigotry, one way or another. Take your pick of what "phobia" is indicated by someone's personal lawful caution.

Wisdom entails recognizing trends, taking them into account, and weighing whether or not the risk is to be avoided.

But then again, it is nearly 2018, wisdom is pass.
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Whatever happened to "two wrongs don't make a right"?
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sop regressive

Sayoria posted...

I'm with him. If you advocate homophobia, then your death is merely just another drop in the bucket.

Cold, whatever. You don't care about their lives, why should we care about yours?

Wow that's fucked up
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It's okay to punch a SJW
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If we shouldn't care about the lives of people who don't care about the lives of some others, then wouldn't that necessarily mean that nobody should care about the lives of anyone?
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It's always a suicide or an OD, isn't it?
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muchdran posted...

Sayoria posted...

I'm with him. If you advocate homophobia, then your death is merely just another drop in the bucket.

Cold, whatever. You don't care about their lives, why should we care about yours?

Wow that's fucked up

Again. If someone weren't to care about my life, I have zero cares to their own either. People die every day . A hateful asshole isn't one to cry over.
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Infinite 2003 posted...

I love how the people who think they're progressing society the most are some of the worst people in it

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I don't think she was homophobic, she had sex with women a lot, didn't she? And iirc she lived in California and they just passed a law that makes giving someone an STD a misdemeanor instead of a felony or something like that? I don't know much about it, but if that's the case, I can she why she'd be extra cautious.

Anyway whether what she said was correct or not, she said she didn't mean it with malicious intent. She didn't deserve the shit some of disgusting human beings like Jaxton something (because he's an asshole, not because he's gay) were saying to her.

Sayoria posted...

Again. If someone weren't to care about my life, I have zero cares to their own either. People die every day . A hateful asshole isn't one to cry over.

You'd think someone part of a group prone to suicide from bullying might be more sympathetic to a victim of that
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Funkydog posted...

Sayoria posted...

Again. If someone weren't to care about my life, I have zero cares to their own either. People die every day . A hateful asshole isn't one to cry over.

You'd think someone part of a group prone to suicide from bullying might be more sympathetic to a victim of that

Those who are homophobic are most likely to be the ones who want people like me dead. Now tell me. In a "me or them" situation, who do you think I am more likely to side with? Sorry, but if I was to get attacked by someone and I must kill them to survive, I'll pour blood.
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There are some sick fucks in this thread
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Sayoria posted...

Funkydog posted...

Sayoria posted...

Again. If someone weren't to care about my life, I have zero cares to their own either. People die every day . A hateful asshole isn't one to cry over.

You'd think someone part of a group prone to suicide from bullying might be more sympathetic to a victim of that

Those who are homophobic are most likely to be the ones who want people like me dead. Now tell me. In a "me or them" situation, who do you think I am more likely to side with? Sorry, but if I was to get attacked by someone and I must kill them to survive, I'll pour blood.

I don't think this is a "me or them" situation though.
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Yes, not boning gay men who don't want to bone you anyway because the companies they work for don't mandate STI testing is homophobic.

I fucking hate people.
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Sayoria posted...

Those who are homophobic are most likely to be the ones who want people like me dead. Now tell me. In a "me or them" situation, who do you think I am more likely to side with? Sorry, but if I was to get attacked by someone and I must kill them to survive, I'll pour blood.

I wasn't aware this person was planning to hunt down gay people to murder for a satanic ritual
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Funkydog posted...

I wasn't aware this person was planning to hunt down gay people to murder for a satanic ritual

In the current political and social climate, if you dont express 100 percent support for whichever minority group is being discussed then youre pretty much considered Satan by some people.
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Are her videos considered vintage now?

SpreadManning posted...

Social justice scumbags trying to peer pressure women into having sex with people that they don't want to. Disgusting.

Then celebrating the death of an innocent woman.

What the fuck am I reading in this topic? Any one celebrating her death or justifying this needs to get their asses beat.
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De Evolution posted...

SpreadManning posted...

Social justice scumbags trying to peer pressure women into having sex with people that they don't want to. Disgusting.

Then celebrating the death of an innocent woman.

What the fuck am I reading in this topic? Any one celebrating her death or justifying this needs to get their asses beat.

I just dont get it, apparently being afraid of contracting a disease and exercising skepticism is homophobic?

Shes not the hateful person in the equation.
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Like I said, theres a lot of sick fucks in this topic.
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I was a mean asshole on the internet between 2001-2005 because I hated society after I acquired massive depression disorder. Then I chilled out.

Can't believe I'm so held back now, considering society has gotten MUCH worse in the last 10 years. If anything, I should have totally flipped out now, not then.
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@Sayoria

people like you who have zero sympathy for people on the other side are the reason my cousin is currently battling depression and suicidal thoughts

she was going to college in a liberal city studying theater. she supports gay rights, women's rights, etc. she also voted trump and was open about it.

she had people banging on her door every night, threating to kill her and rape her, and people she thought were friends turned against her. She was bullied into quitting college and is now dealing with depression.

It's not a "my side or your side" situation. there are shitheads on both sides who are causing terrible things to happen and nothing is going to change.

I also voted Trump, and I support social causes just like my cousin. people like you are the reason that I am afraid to go outside

this needs to stop. ALL of it. on BOTH sides. JUST FUCKING STOP HATING BASED ON STUPID FUCKING REASONS
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Seneca_Wallace_ posted...

@Sayoria

people like you who have zero sympathy for people on the other side are the reason my cousin is currently battling depression and suicidal thoughts

she was going to college in a liberal city studying theater. she supports gay rights, women's rights, etc. she also voted trump and was open about it.

she had people banging on her door every night, threating to kill her and rape her, and people she thought were friends turned against her. She was bullied into quitting college and is now dealing with depression.

It's not a "my side or your side" situation. there are shitheads on both sides who are causing terrible things to happen and nothing is going to change.

I also voted Trump, and I support social causes just like my cousin. people like you are the reason that I am afraid to go outside

this needs to stop. ALL of it. on BOTH sides. JUST FUCKING STOP HATING BASED ON STUPID FUCKING REASONS

kay
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People dying is sad.
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Asherlee10 posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

Behaviorism posted...

thronedfire2 posted...

Sayoria posted...

Behaviorism posted...

Sayoria posted...

I'm with him. If you advocate homophobia, then your death is merely just another drop in the bucket.

Cold, whatever. You don't care about their lives, why should we care about yours?

How is "I don't want to sleep with gay men " homophobic? She didn't say "I hate them and take away their rights". She said I don't want to have sex with them".

Unless I'm missing something

I don't know the details behind the case here, but I am simply agreeing that in the event that people openly advocate homophobia, I will not shed a single tear for your death.

she said she didn't want to work with guys who had done guy/guy stuff recently because of the increased risk of HIV(because the tests still take 15-25 days)

That doesn't sound homophobic to me. Not once did she say or imply that she hated gay people. The internet is always a big tough folk "we are the world, we are the children" when they are behind their monitors,

exactly..but a story gets told wrong once and everyone hears it and thinks that's the truth..the media these days is literally a worldwide game of telephone

I think this is outside of what Sayoria was saying. She was saying that regardless if August Ames was or was not homophobic, that Sayoria isn't going to feel much when a person that advocates homophobia dies.

You are one of the few who ever seem to understand anything I say.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I think this is outside of what Sayoria was saying. She was saying that regardless if August Ames was or was not homophobic, that Sayoria isn't going to feel much when a person that advocates homophobia dies.

To a certain extent, eh to them. But if they are bullied into it, it is still awful and makes me sad many people who are victims of it are happy to inflict it on another. Or at the very least are just dismissive of it. Yeah, homophobes suck, but we shouldn't be bullying anyone to the point of suicide. Even if their views are shitty.

Sayoria posted...

You are one of the few who ever seem to understand anything I say.

I mean, people are talking about someone who was bullied to the point she took her life and you remain adamant on not feeling anything for homophobes. Easy for people to assume as they did/are when you seem content to not expand much on your view or sympathise with the victim in this case.
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Funkydog posted...

I mean, people are talking about someone who was bullied to the point she took her life and you remain adamant on not feeling anything for homophobes. Easy for people to assume as they did/are when you seem content to not expand much on your view or sympathise with the victim in this case.

I wouldn't shed a tear if a racist died in a similar fashion. If you think that's monstrous, that's your prerogative.

And yes that is a comparable situation.
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Asherlee10 posted...

RE: Bullying into suicide -- I don't think Sayoria (or myself) was advocating bullying anyone. She was talking about not feeling much at all when a homophobe/advocate of homophobia passes away.

RE: Sympathies for the death of homophobe -- I don't find what Sayoria said to be all that outlandish or unreasonable. As Kineth mentioned, it's expected that not many people will be sad about a racist person passing away. The same could be said about a homophobe.

Well, no, I don't think she actively was. But Say has a poor reputation on CE in general, so people are likely to assume the worst from her.

And yeah, I wouldn't begrudge anyone not caring if a bigot died in general. I admit if a bigot just died, I wouldn't really care at all either. But it is the "being pushed into suicide" that irks me. I don't think anyone should be made to suffer that badly, even if they spew out hate themselves. All it does is make us hateful people doing the exact same thing we complain is being done to us, so are we any better in the end? We complain that people harass us (LGBT community) and constantly push the point of how many of are ostracized and commit suicide over it, so when we are indifferent to someone else who does it... I just don't know.

It is easy to dismiss people over their views and relegate them to unimportant - just like is done to us. I don't want to perpetuate it myself if I can help it.
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