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ChromaticAngel
11/26/17 12:30:10 PM
#102:


username191 posted...
Everybody who's saying Kimahri, what did you make him?

He was a beast as a second thief/white mage. Just put him through Rikku's grid to get steal and use (best abilities in the game), then into Yuna's for the magic stats (his breath attacks are based on magic). Bonus is you have a high HP thief/white mage who can clear entire battles with one overdrive.

Also his ultimate weapon was easy to get, and he gets a great armor early on.


If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?
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thanosibe
11/26/17 12:31:11 PM
#103:


Yuffie
Selphie
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Runeboggle
11/26/17 12:40:19 PM
#104:


ChromaticAngel posted...

If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?

Wasn't he made to be able to access anyone's grid, since he starts in the middle and has a very small one of his own?
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Unknown5uspect
11/26/17 12:43:10 PM
#105:


Aeriis posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
Nobody mentioned Kongol from Legend of Dragoon yet?

Lmao hes even worse than Kimahri!

He can at least be useful with unnecessarily immense investment.

His base 30 speed coupled with his high HP/Defense stats make him a good recipient of Pandaemonium too, if you care to utilize that item.
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Cleo_II
11/26/17 12:45:03 PM
#106:


Penelo from FF12
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Musourenka
11/26/17 12:48:22 PM
#107:


thanosibe posted...
Yuffie

No.

Selphie

Yes. Either she or Quistis is the worst of the main six.
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Holy_Cloud105
11/26/17 12:52:55 PM
#108:


Runeboggle posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?

Wasn't he made to be able to access anyone's grid, since he starts in the middle and has a very small one of his own?

Yes, but in FFX everyone can learn everything and it comes down to overdrives. His stats suck too so there's no reason to use him over anyone. His only bonus is that he can learn Ultima before everyone else.
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thanosibe
11/26/17 12:54:57 PM
#109:


Musourenka posted...
thanosibe posted...
Yuffie

No.

Selphie

Yes. Either she or Quistis is the worst of the main six.
You don't get to talk about Quistis that way you stupidhead!

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Unknown5uspect
11/26/17 12:56:28 PM
#110:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Runeboggle posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?

Wasn't he made to be able to access anyone's grid, since he starts in the middle and has a very small one of his own?

Yes, but in FFX everyone can learn everything and it comes down to overdrives. His stats suck too so there's no reason to use him over anyone. His only bonus is that he can learn Ultima before everyone else.

And Ultima isn't even a move worth a damn in FFX anyway so his early access to it doesn't mean much.
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nexigrams
11/26/17 1:01:49 PM
#111:


Literally 99% of the memory on Chrono Cross is packed with useless party members. Such a bad game.
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scar the 1
11/26/17 1:03:56 PM
#112:


saspa posted...
Yeah but is it worth it to acquire when the time it takes to acquire we'd already be powerful enough or have had access to higher tier aga spells?

Most useful Enemy Skills in VII are pretty painless to get. V is a little worse, but definitely worth it.
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Lagfile
11/26/17 1:24:54 PM
#113:


dragnmaninferno posted...
Goombario from Paper Mario.


I'd say Kooper is worse than Goombario.

Kooper can be flipped (rarely happens, but it can happen), can't attack airbone enemies, and if you want attacks that consume FP that are fullscreen, Parakarry, Sushie and Bombette attacks are all better.

He doesn't bring any utility in battle, Bow can make you invulnerable to damage and can do a lot more damage than Kooper with the same amount of FP in Ultra Rank, Lakilester can attack anyone and anything in the field with no FP and can give you an evasion boost (via FP), Watt pierces defences with no FP cost and gives you attack boost (via FP), Sushi can attack airbone enemies and gives you defence boost (via FP) and can attack anyone in the field for a mere 3 FP, Bombette does more damage than Kooper and has a better field ability for initiating battles, and if you want, you can stall battle long enough for Goombario to deal insane damage.

Kooper is just a useless party member in that game.
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LordFarquad1312
11/26/17 1:33:47 PM
#114:


Vincent.
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TheCurseX2
11/26/17 1:43:14 PM
#115:


Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.
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gunplagirl
11/26/17 1:43:36 PM
#116:


If we include the international content for ffx, lulu is actually worse than kimahri at end game. But useless would mostly focus on in game content.

Therefore, I have to say Edward. In speed runs, my route actually had me want him to die after one or two encounters in the antlions den area. He actually throws off the turn counter by a few ticks and those precious fractions of a second add up quickly. More than that, if he doesn't die then he runs to hide and that takes up more time. At least he has nice effects on the harps he can equip but hell if they actually help during the early game where everything should die from 2-3 hits by cecil and yang, and bosses are not affected.

Plus his animation for attacking is long. And he drains exp since it's split between all party members alive at the end of a battle.

So even in normal runs, he still is ass and probably harmful.

The only exception being the DS version and that's only because yay new mechanics boo most are just red light green light for when to attack and he's there as your buffer.
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gunplagirl
11/26/17 1:49:50 PM
#117:


Cleo_II posted...
Penelo from FF12

For story contributions, maybe. For battles? In the izjs especially, she's average but the differences between optimized jobs and ones that don't fit is miniscule, with healers being the only exception because half the cast is slightly slower with gun animations but then, they were never meant to be a nominal source of damage to begin with outside of low level runs
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username191
11/26/17 1:59:10 PM
#118:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Runeboggle posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?

Wasn't he made to be able to access anyone's grid, since he starts in the middle and has a very small one of his own?

Yes, but in FFX everyone can learn everything and it comes down to overdrives. His stats suck too so there's no reason to use him over anyone. His only bonus is that he can learn Ultima before everyone else.


I was talking more about the main story line and some post-game content where 99% of the game is played. You don't get Ultima during this time, but you can definitely make use of a second steal/user, his HP + armor makes him a good magic sponge for Seymour, and white magic is a plus too.

To be fair, he has Evade and Counter IIRC, which is a good ability on his ultimate weapon. He's not bad in the late game, but if that's the metric we're going by, then obviously Wakka/Tidus/Rikku are the only characters that matter.

The only real downside to Kimahri is that the game doesn't allow you to experiment with him. You have to choose a path for him near the beginning and can't really test out other options.
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scar the 1
11/26/17 2:09:45 PM
#119:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.

Not by any stretch, lol
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Musourenka
11/26/17 2:14:57 PM
#120:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.

Nah. She's third or fourth best character.
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YoungMutual
11/26/17 2:15:05 PM
#121:


Rika_Furude posted...
They never really died for me outside of one specific boss where they rivalled donald and goofy

And that's your own fault for playing shitty button mashing crossover fanservice games like Kingdom Hearts where the characters don't even properly mix.
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thanosibe
11/26/17 2:27:31 PM
#122:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.
Yes. In battle and in story. Probably the most useless FF character ever.
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gunplagirl
11/26/17 2:29:00 PM
#123:


thanosibe posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.
Yes. In battle and in story. Probably the most useless FF character ever.

lol nope. Not even close.
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pres_madagascar
11/26/17 2:32:49 PM
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LordFarquad1312
11/26/17 2:33:02 PM
#125:


Yuffie has the 4th strongest limit break, which at end game, is the only thing that makes the characters unique.
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hollow_shrine
11/26/17 2:35:01 PM
#126:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.

Objectively better*

The Conformer is broken af. Always hits for 9999 when it matters and does no dmg to the party if she's confused. I think Cait Sith might be the worst because his limits are random unless you cheat and none of them are as good as the rest of the cast. Also his final weapon mechanic is the same as Cloud's without Clouds limits.
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Rika_Furude
11/26/17 3:06:13 PM
#127:


YoungMutual posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
They never really died for me outside of one specific boss where they rivalled donald and goofy

And that's your own fault for playing shitty button mashing crossover fanservice games like Kingdom Hearts where the characters don't even properly mix.

Uhhh what
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bover_87
11/26/17 3:10:11 PM
#128:


TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.

Tifa exists
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AuthenticZac
11/26/17 3:14:07 PM
#130:


Just beat Ni No Kuni recently, and can easily say Esther is up there with Donald for most useless. Always depleting her mana at the start of battles (making it so she can never heal), and 9/10 the first to die.
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Rika_Furude
11/26/17 3:16:40 PM
#132:


Barret is the strongest isnt he? Either him or Cid. And both barret and cid with cloud make the most powerful party
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HeyPuff
11/26/17 3:16:59 PM
#133:


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ModLogic
11/26/17 3:22:51 PM
#134:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
so there's no reason to use him over anyone

hes not an annoying loli
he's not rikku

2 excellent reasons to use him
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fire_bolt
11/26/17 3:29:45 PM
#135:


Rika_Furude posted...
Barret is the strongest isnt he? Either him or Cid. And both barret and cid with cloud make the most powerful party


Cid and Barrett both have 32 hit count limits, but Barrett's does trash damage unless you buff his Strength with Hero Drink spam. They tie for highest *potential* damage tho ( not countering the overflow trick)

W-Summon KOTR is the next highest damage potential, but that's available to anyone. Cloud is next with Omnislash. Think it hits 18 times and hits HARD. Then Yuffie with Death Of The Living IIRC. After that, everyone else is so low tier as to be interchangable

Conformer makes Yuffie objectively top tier for being able to be paired brokenly with Morph and Double Cut materias. I'd rate her second best overall to Cloud except when using Hero Drink spam
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tiornys
11/26/17 3:30:47 PM
#136:


Runeboggle posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...

If your answer to "make Kimahri good" is to take other people's sphere grid then that means he sucks, you realize that, right?

Wasn't he made to be able to access anyone's grid, since he starts in the middle and has a very small one of his own?

Yeah, Kimahri owns the mid-late portions of storyline play if you're smart with how you build him. It's true that he does so by picking up other people's high-end skills earlier than they can (barring extreme grinding), but that's precisely what he's designed to be able to do.

Pure joke characters aside, I think this has to go to someone in the Chrono Cross or Suikoden series casts. When the roster of characters gets massive, some of the entries are going to be strictly outclassed.
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Resolution
11/26/17 3:33:28 PM
#137:


I don't know how anyone can possibly say Bowser in SMRPG when he's relatively dominant and strong when he first joins the party. He just wears off towards the end of the game
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Bad_Mojo
11/26/17 3:35:52 PM
#138:


UrethaFranklin posted...
Blue mages in general do suck, but gau and quina were OP.


Yeah, Gau is a God

Im going to say Umaro is the worst
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bover_87
11/26/17 3:37:17 PM
#139:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
bover_87 posted...
TheCurseX2 posted...
Yuffie is objectively worse than every FF7 party member.

Tifa exists


Yuffie has high MAG and Speed plus amazing limits
Tifa has high ATK and Speed plus amazing limits

Barret and Cait Sith are dog turds.

Tifa's Limit is rather bad, and so are her weapons. Base stats barely matter in VII.

Cait is a really good mage actually, since his weapons have tons of slots. Barret is pretty meh though, I'll agree there.
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Nightmare_Luna
11/26/17 3:38:11 PM
#140:


Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV
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bover_87
11/26/17 3:39:26 PM
#141:


Nightmare_Luna posted...
Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Edge in those versions isn't terrible per se, he just dies super easily.
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NinjaBreakfast
11/26/17 3:39:54 PM
#142:


def some useless characters in the fire emblems.

jeigan types aren't necessarily useless but can obviously lull you into a false sense of security and lead to other characters being neglected if you're new to the series.

then you have extremely late game promoted recruits who literally only serve to help out if you haven't been playing well.

and then there's just trash characters!
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Bad_Mojo
11/26/17 3:42:35 PM
#143:


nexigrams posted...
Literally 99% of the memory on Chrono Cross is packed with useless party members. Such a bad game.


I agree

So much wasted space. All they had to do was either make more party slots or be able to split the party like in 6 where you move and fight with 3 parties
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gunplagirl
11/26/17 3:50:35 PM
#144:


Nightmare_Luna posted...
Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Fuma shuriken spam, have him in the back row.
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Bokothechoco2
11/26/17 3:53:03 PM
#145:


Not sure why everyone be bashin' Kimahri... Even if he wasn't anything special, there weren't any really "bad" characters in FF10. Everyone was competent at a minimum.

For characters that naturally get put into your party through story progression, Edward from FF4 comes to mind. He was designed as a character meant to be terrible, so naturally that's exactly what he is. If we wanna get creative, then Teta from FF Tactics. She has to be hacked into your party but her job has "Dead" status, making her unrevivable and literally useless.
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Bad_Mojo
11/26/17 3:54:32 PM
#146:


bover_87 posted...
Barret is pretty meh though, I'll agree there.


Are you kidding me? Ungarmax is the best Limit in the game and it isn't even his Level 4. Sue, it doesn't do the most damage (it might be, though), but because it's so quick it's much better to use IMO

And since his Final Weapon is based on how much AP you have equipped on him it does more damage, so it's very easy to get the damage up with him. I solo the game a lot with Cloud, but I would rather do it with Barrett because it would be simpler because Ungarmax is better than Meteorain

Also gets full damage from the back row without having to have Long Reach
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Bad_Mojo
11/26/17 3:55:25 PM
#147:


Bokothechoco2 posted...
Not sure why everyone be bashin' Kimahri... Even if he wasn't anything special, there weren't any really "bad" characters in FF10. Everyone was competent at a minimum.

For characters that naturally get put into your party through story progression, Edward from FF4 comes to mind. He was designed as a character meant to be terrible, so naturally that's exactly what he is. If we wanna get creative, then Teta from FF Tactics. She has to be hacked into your party but her job has "Dead" status, making her unrevivable and literally useless.


Nah, Malak is still worse than Teta
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Xelltrix
11/26/17 3:56:18 PM
#148:


Cant be Kimahri, he could get steal early for you or build in any path you want so if you didnt screw him up, the fact he had piercing made him almost a strong a Auron with more accuracy and speed. Plenty of worst characters in JRPGs.
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Shotgunnova
11/26/17 3:59:46 PM
#149:


ctrl+f korcha
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ChromaticAngel
11/26/17 4:01:05 PM
#150:


Nightmare_Luna posted...
Junpei and Koromaru in Persona 3
Edge in non-DS versions of Final Fantasy IV

Funny cause edge is borderline OP in TAY.
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tiornys
11/26/17 4:03:23 PM
#151:


Shotgunnova posted...
ctrl+f korcha

I didn't name names, just cited the large Chrono Cross roster. But if I was going to name names, this search would have hit.
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