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The Admiral 11/25/17 7:31:30 PM #152:	COVxy posted... The Admiral posted... Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you. As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks. Nah, it's exactly what you're doing. People have biological, instinctive impulses about what they are sexually attracted to that you seem to be quick to ignore for the sake of political correctness and pushing this myth that transgender women are the same as biologically born women. Accepting transgenders in terms of not treating them like freaks or discriminating against them is one thing, expecting people to suddenly disregard biological impulses to protect this illusion that they're the same as non-transgenders is something quite different. And that's actually the bridge you cross into lunacy. Like I've always told you, if a chick with a penis does it for you, I have no issue with that. Enjoy. But crying bigotry because it doesn't do it for most straight men is a losing battle. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:891050604] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you.</quote> As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks.</quote> Nah, it's exactly what you're doing. People have biological, instinctive impulses about what they are sexually attracted to that you seem to be quick to ignore for the sake of political correctness and pushing this myth that transgender women are the same as biologically born women. Accepting transgenders in terms of not treating them like freaks or discriminating against them is one thing, expecting people to suddenly disregard biological impulses to protect this illusion that they're the same as non-transgenders is something quite different. And that's actually the bridge you cross into lunacy. Like I've always told you, if a chick with a penis does it for you, I have no issue with that. Enjoy. But crying bigotry because it doesn't do it for most straight men is a losing battle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/25/17 7:54:11 PM #153:	The Admiral posted... COVxy posted... The Admiral posted... Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you. As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks. Nah, it's exactly what you're doing. People have biological, instinctive impulses about what they are sexually attracted to that you seem to be quick to ignore for the sake of political correctness and pushing this myth that transgender women are the same as biologically born women. Accepting transgenders in terms of not treating them like freaks or discriminating against them is one thing, expecting people to suddenly disregard biological impulses to protect this illusion that they're the same as non-transgenders is something quite different. And that's actually the bridge you cross into lunacy. Like I've always told you, if a chick with a penis does it for you, I have no issue with that. Enjoy. But crying bigotry because it doesn't do it for most straight men is a losing battle. The thing about that, and I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. In fact, I agree with you about attraction, but the argument is more about aesthetic assumption. Some transgender women physically pass for biological women and are objectively attractive enough to be convincing to even the most trained eye. It's a matter of "I would not be willing to be in a relationship with this woman knowing she was born male even if I was attracted to her before knowing she was trans" or "I could never look upon a fully clothed trans woman and not know that she was born with a dick. I would always be able to tell and there would always be some feature 100% of the time that would turn me off because I would just know that was born male." Those are the ideologies being argued against. No one here is arguing that one MUST find ANY trans woman attractive to not be a bigot... except maybe a handful of lunatics. The argument is that ruling out a relationship on the sole grounds, with literally no other factors, that her vagina is surgically formed as opposed to biologically formed, when no other deal breakers are present, it closeminded, and it is, and those who say it is generally, and have in this topic stated that other related deal breakers are understandable, as in desire to naturally reproduce. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:891051790] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you.</quote> As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks.</quote> Nah, it's exactly what you're doing. People have biological, instinctive impulses about what they are sexually attracted to that you seem to be quick to ignore for the sake of political correctness and pushing this myth that transgender women are the same as biologically born women. Accepting transgenders in terms of not treating them like freaks or discriminating against them is one thing, expecting people to suddenly disregard biological impulses to protect this illusion that they're the same as non-transgenders is something quite different. And that's actually the bridge you cross into lunacy. Like I've always told you, if a chick with a penis does it for you, I have no issue with that. Enjoy. But crying bigotry because it doesn't do it for most straight men is a losing battle.</quote> The thing about that, and I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. In fact, I agree with you about attraction, but the argument is more about aesthetic assumption. Some transgender women physically pass for biological women and are objectively attractive enough to be convincing to even the most trained eye. It's a matter of "I would not be willing to be in a relationship with this woman knowing she was born male even if I was attracted to her before knowing she was trans" or "I could never look upon a fully clothed trans woman and not know that she was born with a dick. I would always be able to tell and there would always be some feature 100% of the time that would turn me off because I would just know that was born male." Those are the ideologies being argued against. No one here is arguing that one MUST find ANY trans woman attractive to not be a bigot... except maybe a handful of lunatics. The argument is that ruling out a relationship on the sole grounds, with literally no other factors, that her vagina is surgically formed as opposed to biologically formed, when no other deal breakers are present, it closeminded, and it is, and those who say it is generally, and have in this topic stated that other related deal breakers are understandable, as in desire to naturally reproduce.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 11/25/17 8:17:42 PM #154:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Those are the ideologies being argued against. There is nothing "gay" about being initially attracted to a transgender person. If they look like attractive women, it's perfectly natural to be attracted to them. It's quite another thing for you to say "okay, knowing there is/was a penis, I'm down for doing sexual things to it." That is, by definition, a homosexual act, and it's not something that is natural or should be expected from heterosexual men. And it certainly is not something men are going to be "trained" to be cool with after being lectured to by folks like COVxy. If your sexuality is flexible enough that the idea of engaging in sex acts with male genitalia is appealing to you, that's great. But I think it's it's ridiculous to expect that this will be the case for everyone, just because the partner feels like a woman in their head. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:891052936] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Those are the ideologies being argued against.</quote> There is nothing "gay" about being initially attracted to a transgender person. If they look like attractive women, it's perfectly natural to be attracted to them. It's quite another thing for you to say "okay, knowing there is/was a penis, I'm down for doing sexual things to it." That is, by definition, a homosexual act, and it's not something that is natural or should be expected from heterosexual men. And it certainly is not something men are going to be "trained" to be cool with after being lectured to by folks like COVxy. If your sexuality is flexible enough that the idea of engaging in sex acts with male genitalia is appealing to you, that's great. But I think it's it's ridiculous to expect that this will be the case for everyone, just because the partner feels like a woman in their head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/25/17 8:43:31 PM #155:	"It's only natural to be attracted to them beforehand, and then when you start to think of them as men it's only natural to be turned off." I completely agree, and that's my point. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:891054208] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote>"It's only natural to be attracted to them beforehand, and then when you start to think of them as men it's only natural to be turned off." I completely agree, and that's my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/25/17 9:07:34 PM #156:	The Admiral posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Those are the ideologies being argued against. There is nothing "gay" about being initially attracted to a transgender person. If they look like attractive women, it's perfectly natural to be attracted to them. It's quite another thing for you to say "okay, knowing there is/was a penis, I'm down for doing sexual things to it." That is, by definition, a homosexual act, and it's not something that is natural or should be expected from heterosexual men. And it certainly is not something men are going to be "trained" to be cool with after being lectured to by folks like COVxy. If your sexuality is flexible enough that the idea of engaging in sex acts with male genitalia is appealing to you, that's great. But I think it's it's ridiculous to expect that this will be the case for everyone, just because the partner feels like a woman in their head. I mean if you take her panties off and an erect penis springs out in your face and she's all "lol sry forgot to mention this detail. Not a deal breaker right?" That's obviously a big deal and would catch dudes off guard. Obviously an "I'm out..." response is warranted and should be expected. Still, I'm skeptical about "that vagina used to be a penis? I'm out." Kinda makes me think of "that tit used to have cancer? Stayin away from it" or "you used to be 12? I'm no pedophile. I'm not hittin that." Like... why do still associate it with male genitalia? What's the fucking point? What do you have to gain from that? If you fuck her and you're all "this feels weird I don't like it. It's not for me" the fair enough. I haven't been with a trans woman so I can't speak on differences or similarities, so if objectively there are many in terms of surgical vs. biological genitalia, I don't know and you can color me ignorant. That's fine. The way I see it, the surgery is to correct something that medical professionals have seen to correct, and excluding anyone from the romantic/sexual pool based solely on this correction and nothing else, while not necessarily bigotry is at the very least dismissive and closeminded, and citing mental illness, which many do, but you have not, so I'd like to point out that I am NOT accusing you of being one of those "trans = mentally ill" types, is something I can see the validity to, as someone with bipolar family members, I would hesitate to date a bipolar woman, but that's not based on image or sexuality or stigma or anything like that. It's based on relevant personal experience. It just feels to me that you are looking at complex issue from a simplistic stance and criticizing people for calling said issue complex, as if primality should oversimplify it for everyone and not just those culturally inclined. I can also see that yes, the left pushes narratives too that attempt to shove complexity down throats without taking the time to properly understand and explain them. That's where the true problem of identity politics lies. Too many people on both sides try to speak for others, but when you speak for yourself, the most honest and genuine speaking, you have only your own voice and it is often not enough. This is what breeds divisiveness. Most people on both sides are guilty of this, and mostly for the same reasons (edit: yes I am including myself here). --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:891055349] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Those are the ideologies being argued against.</quote> There is nothing "gay" about being initially attracted to a transgender person. If they look like attractive women, it's perfectly natural to be attracted to them. It's quite another thing for you to say "okay, knowing there is/was a penis, I'm down for doing sexual things to it." That is, by definition, a homosexual act, and it's not something that is natural or should be expected from heterosexual men. And it certainly is not something men are going to be "trained" to be cool with after being lectured to by folks like COVxy. If your sexuality is flexible enough that the idea of engaging in sex acts with male genitalia is appealing to you, that's great. But I think it's it's ridiculous to expect that this will be the case for everyone, just because the partner feels like a woman in their head.</quote> I mean if you take her panties off and an erect penis springs out in your face and she's all "lol sry forgot to mention this detail. Not a deal breaker right?" That's obviously a big deal and would catch dudes off guard. Obviously an "I'm out..." response is warranted and should be expected. Still, I'm skeptical about "that vagina used to be a penis? I'm out." Kinda makes me think of "that tit used to have cancer? Stayin away from it" or "you used to be 12? I'm no pedophile. I'm not hittin that." Like... why do still associate it with male genitalia? What's the fucking point? What do you have to gain from that? If you fuck her and you're all "this feels weird I don't like it. It's not for me" the fair enough. I haven't been with a trans woman so I can't speak on differences or similarities, so if objectively there are many in terms of surgical vs. biological genitalia, I don't know and you can color me ignorant. That's fine. The way I see it, the surgery is to correct something that medical professionals have seen to correct, and excluding anyone from the romantic/sexual pool based solely on this correction and nothing else, while not necessarily bigotry is at the very least dismissive and closeminded, and citing mental illness, which many do, but you have not, so I'd like to point out that I am NOT accusing you of being one of those "trans = mentally ill" types, is something I can see the validity to, as someone with bipolar family members, I would hesitate to date a bipolar woman, but that's not based on image or sexuality or stigma or anything like that. It's based on relevant personal experience. It just feels to me that you are looking at complex issue from a simplistic stance and criticizing people for calling said issue complex, as if primality should oversimplify it for everyone and not just those culturally inclined. I can also see that yes, the left pushes narratives too that attempt to shove complexity down throats without taking the time to properly understand and explain them. That's where the true problem of identity politics lies. Too many people on both sides try to speak for others, but when you speak for yourself, the most honest and genuine speaking, you have only your own voice and it is often not enough. This is what breeds divisiveness. Most people on both sides are guilty of this, and mostly for the same reasons (edit: yes I am including myself here).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 11/26/17 12:39:02 AM #157:	thelovefist posted... COVxy posted... The whole "I'm totally accepting of transpeople, they can be who they want to be, but I wouldn't date them because that's totally gay" thing defeats itself, and everyone can see it except those motivated to hold the same view and appear virtuous. "There's nothing gay about enjoying a nice feminine penis." This could be the biggest joke on CE easily. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:891064737] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>The whole "I'm totally accepting of transpeople, they can be who they want to be, but I wouldn't date them because that's totally gay" thing defeats itself, and everyone can see it except those motivated to hold the same view and appear virtuous. </quote> "There's nothing gay about enjoying a nice feminine penis."</quote>This could be the biggest joke on CE easily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 11/26/17 12:40:43 AM #158:	COVxy posted... The Admiral posted... Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you. As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks. Perhaps not push your agenda on other people. Try again, thanks. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:891064794] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Don't think shaming people into banging transgenders is a winning position for you.</quote> As has already been explained, that absolutely isn't the position. Try again, thanks.</quote>Perhaps not push your agenda on other people. Try again, thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PBusted 11/28/17 1:37:35 AM #159:	The Admiral posted... That's a Brazilian model, and she's not transgender. lmao that's exactly what I thought. It's the age of insecurity these days where you can fool any gullible idiot into thinking any girl is trans. <cite>PBusted posted [p:891186724] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>That's a Brazilian model, and she's not transgender.</quote> lmao that's exactly what I thought. It's the age of insecurity these days where you can fool any gullible idiot into thinking any girl is trans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 11/28/17 2:59:27 PM #160:	PBusted posted... The Admiral posted... That's a Brazilian model, and she's not transgender. lmao that's exactly what I thought. It's the age of insecurity these days where you can fool any gullible idiot into thinking any girl is trans. Yeah, it's just Vegy trolling. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:891215772] in Would you ... [t:76027322]...</cite> <quote><cite>PBusted posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>That's a Brazilian model, and she's not transgender.</quote> lmao that's exactly what I thought. It's the age of insecurity these days where you can fool any gullible idiot into thinking any girl is trans.</quote> Yeah, it's just Vegy trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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