Current Events > Net neutrality might end.

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Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

For most people, this will LOWER prices since most people live in urban or suburban areas.

No it won't. The telecoms will work together to set prices and ensure that won't happen. You're nuts if you actually think a free market would regulate itself to the benefit of the public. Too many people get greedy and take advantage of situations.

Which is illegal and will get stopped. Why work together when I can take business from my competetion by being more affordable. That's the beauty of the free market: it helps everyone

No. Because then your competition undercuts you, knowing you'll undercut them. The route you end up taking is working with your competitors to keep prices high and divide customers between you.

Or I could just be the most affordable and then I don't have to divide customers, I can have them all. Which would force the competition to lower prices or fail. The invisible hand always works because ironically being greedy helps society

But then someone would just undercut you, you'd undercut them, rinse, repeat til profits are negligible. You all make a sizable profit when you make deals with your competitors at the expense of the public (which is happening now)

No, eventually we would all match a price that couldn't go any lower without losing profit. It's called equilibrium. It's the whole basis if supply and demand and economics.

Then the people who suffer are the employees who end up either getting paid less or having to cover the work of their colleague who was released and never replaced.
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Your argument isn't about free market. There are no free market electricity. There is no free market water. And most drugs are patented which means no free market. With no free market and an inelastic demand, of course prices sky rocket.

If you want free market, look at something actually free market like cereal

Cereal is very elastic, internet access is not. If cereal prices got too high, many people would forgo cereal. Not so with internet.

How is internet not elastic? I mean for businesses? Sure, it's essential but for people in general? Not so much.

Quite simply, demand for internet access doesn't change much with price.

Proof? I'm willing to be this huge spike isn't worth Facebooking, YouTube and Instagram to most people like you think it is
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Izual_Reborn posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Y2J0sHBK_GB posted...

No it won't. The telecoms will work together to set prices and ensure that won't happen. You're nuts if you actually think a free market would regulate itself to the benefit of the public. Too many people get greedy and take advantage of situations.

Which is illegal and will get stopped. Why work together when I can take business from my competetion by being more affordable. That's the beauty of the free market: it helps everyone

No. Because then your competition undercuts you, knowing you'll undercut them. The route you end up taking is working with your competitors to keep prices high and divide customers between you.

Or I could just be the most affordable and then I don't have to divide customers, I can have them all. Which would force the competition to lower prices or fail. The invisible hand always works because ironically being greedy helps society

But then someone would just undercut you, you'd undercut them, rinse, repeat til profits are negligible. You all make a sizable profit when you make deals with your competitors at the expense of the public (which is happening now)

No, eventually we would all match a price that couldn't go any lower without losing profit. It's called equilibrium. It's the whole basis if supply and demand and economics.

Then the people who suffer are the employees who end up either getting paid less or having to cover the work of their colleague who was released and never replaced.

And? Either way someone suffers. They will find new jobs. The economy is currently strong. I know we want everyone to be winners but here is the dirty secret and I don't mean to sound cold but life isn't fair
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@Bullet_Wing

I should ask,what do you think the average and normal person does on the internet that makes it so inelastic?
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I certainly hope net neutrality doesn't end. I see no benefit to the consumers if that happens.
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Gamer99z posted...

knuxnole posted...

A good analogy I heard is that it'll be more like Cable TV

You mean that thing people have been leaving in droves in favor of online services or simply not even watching it because everyone hates cable and they're all shitty companies? Oh yay that's exactly what the people want....

knuxnole posted...

And again, what's wrong with that? Why should the internet be a level playing field?

Because it has become an essential part modern life, similar in the way phone service became a utility despite nobody literally needing a landline to survive. The internet is practically just a virtual market, so how you can be saying free market is good, while trying to end NN is ridiculous. You're just needlessly giving more power to corporations who don't need it, while hurting consumers, online businesses and services, and hurting online competition infinitely more than NN is affecting ISP competition...

knuxnole posted...

Plus, it will help get rid of illegal sites and torrenting sites, again those are illegal for a reason.

And just lol if you think that it'll have any notable long term impact on piracy.

Most people don't hate cable.

I'm sure you love it.

I love my cable provider, if my internet is similar, I wouldn't care or notice.

I 100% support Pai and his beliefs on this matter.
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People who make petitions against this IMO are silly. Why bother? Just accept it.

Again, think of it like Cable TV. People aren't gonna ban TV lol
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I don't want another cable industry.
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Also, the FCC needs to limit online streaming services for people who try to use that instead of cable, making more people rely more on Cable TV, that to me would be another good positive.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't want another cable industry.

why? they are amazing, and great at what they do, and provide quality services, and allow us to watch TV.
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I never thought I would ever see someone actually shill for cable.
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knuxnole posted...

Most people don't hate cable.

I'm sure you love it.

Are you high? The customer service of cable companies has been the punchline to jokes for years and people are dropping cable at an event faster rate than analysts predicted. Demographics for shows are getting higher and higher because it's increasingly older people who still have it. Almost nobody I knows has it anymore and most of the ones that still do just have it for the sake it of or just have it for their young kids.
People have hated the way channel packages work since the beginning of time, people have constantly wanted the right to just pay for what they want and fuck the rest but cable companies have the middle finger on that. Plus you're paying a pretty high amount of money for something that's nearly 1/3rd ads.
More and more people are dropping cable every day in favor of just getting Netflix and Hulu for a fraction of the price, with no ads, watching whenever you want, stopping whenever you want without needing a DVR, being able to watch on multiple devices, etc. etc. etc.
And again all of that aside, cable companies have shit reputations for customer support and care.

If you want the internet to become that then you're just crazy.
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Gamer99z posted...

knuxnole posted...

Most people don't hate cable.

I'm sure you love it.

Are you high? The customer service of cable companies has been the punchline to jokes for years and people are dropping cable at an event faster rate than analysts predicted. Demographics for shows are getting higher and higher because it's increasingly older people who still have it. Almost nobody I knows has it anymore and most of the ones that still do just have it for the sake it of or just have it for their young kids.
People have hated the way channel packages work since the beginning of time, people have constantly wanted the right to just pay for what they want and fuck the rest but cable companies have the middle finger on that. Plus you're paying a pretty high amount of money for something that's nearly 1/3rd ads.
More and more people are dropping cable every day in favor of just getting Netflix and Hulu for a fraction of the price, with no ads, watching whenever you want, stopping whenever you want without needing a DVR, being able to watch on multiple devices, etc. etc. etc.
And again all of that aside, cable companies have shit reputations for customer support and care.

If you want the internet to become that then you're just crazy.

How do you watch up to date shows? Sports? Live events?

As you know, if they block streaming sites because people stream TV shows instead, they are in the right and I have no sympathy for people upset with that.

In my experience, customer service for cable companies have been EXCELLENT. I repeat, EXCELLENT.

I had trouble, called them, they had clear answers, called someone to come to the house next day, and were friendly. A+ service.

Have YOU as a person ever had bad cable customer service? Why do you not have cable? So you never watch live TV or sports ever I'm guessing. Or shows on air in public so when you chat with people you have to hold for spoilers?
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Tmaster148 posted...

I never thought I would ever see someone actually shill for cable.

Most regular people do. I know hipsters are the main people that are against it, or "woke" new-age millennial.
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Gamer99z posted...

knuxnole posted...

Most people don't hate cable.

I'm sure you love it.

Are you high? The customer service of cable companies has been the punchline to jokes for years and people are dropping cable at an event faster rate than analysts predicted. Demographics for shows are getting higher and higher because it's increasingly older people who still have it. Almost nobody I knows has it anymore and most of the ones that still do just have it for the sake it of or just have it for their young kids.
People have hated the way channel packages work since the beginning of time, people have constantly wanted the right to just pay for what they want and fuck the rest but cable companies have the middle finger on that. Plus you're paying a pretty high amount of money for something that's nearly 1/3rd ads.
More and more people are dropping cable every day in favor of just getting Netflix and Hulu for a fraction of the price, with no ads, watching whenever you want, stopping whenever you want without needing a DVR, being able to watch on multiple devices, etc. etc. etc.
And again all of that aside, cable companies have shit reputations for customer support and care.

If you want the internet to become that then you're just crazy.

And yes, I do want internet to become that. Obviously you have a problem with how cable acts but don't hurt the rest of America who find it perfectly fine. If the internet becomes the way of cable, that would be a positive aspect on history.
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You should be less on the nose.
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I don't get it, our government is supposed to represent US, the people, right? It's supposed to be fighting for OUR interested. Why are they fighting SO hard for something like this, time and time again, for years on end, when it's quite clear that the people DO NOT want this?

What happened to us? Why are things like this?
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Go_Totodile posted...

I don't get it, our government is supposed to represent US, the people, right? It's supposed to be fighting for OUR interested. Why are they fighting SO hard for something like this, time and time again, for years on end, when it's quite clear that the people DO NOT want this?

What happened to us? Why are things like this?

Republicans are dumb.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Go_Totodile posted...

I don't get it, our government is supposed to represent US, the people, right? It's supposed to be fighting for OUR interested. Why are they fighting SO hard for something like this, time and time again, for years on end, when it's quite clear that the people DO NOT want this?

What happened to us? Why are things like this?

Republicans are dumb.

Nah I think most major political parties are dumb.
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knuxnole posted...

I have an expensive package currently.

Your package might be more expensive but my package is twice as big as yours.
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Go_Totodile posted...

I don't get it, our government is supposed to represent US, the people, right? It's supposed to be fighting for OUR interested. Why are they fighting SO hard for something like this, time and time again, for years on end, when it's quite clear that the people DO NOT want this?

What happened to us? Why are things like this?

Capitalism and Democracy can't exist with each other.

Also, people are so full of shit. Our tax dollars go to the ISP's so they can create better infrastructure and they do jack shit with it. You're telling me letting them have full control so they can charge us more will make the internet better when they haven't done so with that 600 billion they've gotten from taxpayers in all this time?
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I've already seen lack of Net neutrality at my job.

The downstairs computers (open to everyone) take 6 fucking minutes to load the paystub login website.

The business computers on the main floor operate instantaneously.
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Its about control. If it was some other medium, I'm sure there would sanctions on how we'd do that as well.
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The end of net neutrality would be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on the internet.
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MI4 REAL posted...

The end of net neutrality would be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on the internet.

...For the US. Why does say anything regard the rest of the world, which will still have Net Neutrality?
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Bat178 posted...

MI4 REAL posted...

The end of net neutrality would be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on the internet.

...For the US. Why does say anything regard the rest of the world, which will still have Net Neutrality?

The rest of the world could be compelled to follow.
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St0rmFury posted...

Bat178 posted...

MI4 REAL posted...

The end of net neutrality would be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on the internet.

...For the US. Why does say anything regard the rest of the world, which will still have Net Neutrality?

The rest of the world could be compelled to follow.

You really think they'd let their governments get away with that? Hungary, whose government is ridiculously authoritarian right now, tried to censor their internet recently, and they were still forced to back down when people got pissed about that. The rest of the world wouldn't just sit down and take it from their ISPs like the US would be forced to, they can actually really hurt them and their governments unlike the US.
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Does this apply to all countries or just the US?

OEIO999 posted...

Does this apply to all countries or just the US?

Just the US. Some people worry that if it is found profitable, however, it might spread to other countries.
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Bat178 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Does this apply to all countries or just the US?

Just the US. Some people worry that if it is found profitable, however, it might spread to other countries.

Many practises applied in the US takes a long time transfer across the world. Not only that, the US has different buiness and social practises compared to that the rest of the, whom have shown no interest in adapting the US's business practises, regardless of the possible profit it may offer.

For eg. Australia is really big on refund policies and the government doesn't allow business to sack/fire employees whenever they want, those are just some of the practises I know.

OEIO999 posted...

Bat178 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Does this apply to all countries or just the US?

Just the US. Some people worry that if it is found profitable, however, it might spread to other countries.

Many practises applied in the US takes a long time transfer across the world. Not only that, the US has different buiness and social practises compared to that the rest of the, whom have shown no interest in adapting the US's business practises, regardless of the possible profit it may offer.

For eg. Australia is really big on refund policies and the government doesn't allow business to sack/fire employees whenever they want, those are just some of the practises I know.

There is also the problem of most websites being based in the US and the US being one of, if not, the largest website visitor market, too. Don't know if Canada, Europe, Asia and Australia will be enough to keep most major websites alive if the US's internet goes to hell.
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Bat178 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Bat178 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Does this apply to all countries or just the US?

Just the US. Some people worry that if it is found profitable, however, it might spread to other countries.

Many practises applied in the US takes a long time transfer across the world. Not only that, the US has different buiness and social practises compared to that the rest of the, whom have shown no interest in adapting the US's business practises, regardless of the possible profit it may offer.

For eg. Australia is really big on refund policies and the government doesn't allow business to sack/fire employees whenever they want, those are just some of the practises I know.

There is also the problem of most websites being based in the US and the US being one of, if not, the largest website visitor market, too. Don't know if Canada, Europe, Asia and Australia will be enough to keep most major websites alive if the US's internet goes to hell.

Well most of the illegal streamings and torrents happens from outside the US sources, so anything else being monitored, I could get around.

Bat178 posted...

MI4 REAL posted...

The end of net neutrality would be the equivalent of a nuclear strike on the internet.

...For the US. Why does say anything regard the rest of the world, which will still have Net Neutrality?

Who cares about the rest of the world? This is America.
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