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Barenziah Boy Toy
11/22/17 3:28:03 PM
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/21/16671988/justice-league-batman-affleck-problem

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Justice League proves that the DC Extended Universe doesnt know what to do with Batman
The villains and fights keep getting bigger. And that hurts Batman the most.

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Meanwhile, Batmans primary asset seems to be that he has a lot of disposable income, a constant joke throughout the movie. Hes constantly upstaged in Justice League by his superpowered teammates, who are stronger, faster, and smarter than him. Wonder Woman stepping in to lead the league even if that would mean sidelining Batman, its founder would make complete logical sense. She appears to be more qualified in just about every way, a fact that by the end of the movie he seems painfully aware of.

His realization encapsulates one of the films gravest flaws: that Batman is sort of useless. While Wonder Woman would no doubt be a fantastic leader, and her character absolutely deserves a role at the center of the DC Extended Universe (Gadot has become the breakout star of Warner Bros. recent superhero movies), the fact remains that the DC Extended Universe has really done a disservice to DC Comics most popular hero.

Its painted the Dark Knight into a corner. His skills in the comic books his analytical mind, his knack for problem solving, his strategy and intelligence have been downplayed in favor of a more rugged, more physical character. Batman has always been more than just a brawler, but now hes strikingly one-dimensional in his brooding darkness, and, at times, stunningly ineffective. The Batman we see in Warner Bros. movies is a shadow of the hero hes supposed to be.
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Batmans two strategic decisions in the movie are half-baked. His plan to revive Superman results in Superman throttling the team while in a state of shock, and the only recourse Batman has is a hope and a prayer that Superman will recognize Lois Lane, and that shell be enough to snap him out of his stupor. Batmans other not-so-great idea is to try to distract the parademons in the movies final fight, a plan that almost gets him killed.

In essence, Justice League reduces Batman to a brawler with some cool vehicles (which inevitably get blown up). Characterizing him in this way doesnt really do him any favors, since he has teammates who eclipse his strength, speed, and fighting skills in every way. As a result, hes often an afterthought in Justice Leagues biggest fight scenes, relegated to firing guns in the corner or writhing on the ground in pain. Couple that with the DC Extended Universes penchant for mounting giant, world-crushing villains like Doomsday and Steppenwolf, whom Batman cant even put a scratch on, and the caped crusader starts to seem pretty expendable.

At best, hes minimally helpful and thats an extremely worrisome development considering that villains tend to get bigger and badder as superhero cinematic universes are expanded.

But perhaps thats the point. Rumors have been circulating that Affleck wants to leave the role of Batman. Maybe his Bruce Wayne is meant to be seen as a sentimental fan favorite, a character who is more symbolic than he is integral a Batman on his last legs who will pass on the cape and cowl to someone else. Its possible that because Justice Leagues narrative is so scrambled, this wasnt fully made clear.

But even if thats the case, and even if Warner Bros. hires a new Batman, the studio still needs to do some soul searching to figure out what the character means to the DC Extended Universe, and what role he plays in it. Is he the soul of the Justice League? Is he the brains? Does he add any value whatsoever? Right now he just feels lost. And thats a major problem not just for Warner Bros. but for anyone who wants to see some justice done to the character and his legacy.
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ThanksUglyGod
11/22/17 3:35:40 PM
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Very true.
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Kaname_Madoka
11/22/17 3:36:31 PM
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Superman is better tbh
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Were_Wyrm
11/22/17 3:39:30 PM
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The fact that he's nearly 40 is another problem. I don't care if you're "peak human" your body is starting to slow and breakdown, he should be close to retiring and passing on the mantle.
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KazumaKiryu
11/22/17 3:41:07 PM
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>DC movie portrays Batman as weak and ineffectual
>Internet writers think they have some amazing analysis about the failure of the movie

This was obviously the point of what they were portraying. These movies have an actual ongoing narrative. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO GOOD.
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NewerMernardi
11/22/17 3:43:03 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
>DC movie portrays Batman as weak and ineffectual
>Internet writers think they have some amazing analysis about the failure of the movie

This was obviously the point of what they were portraying. These movies have an actual ongoing narrative. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO GOOD.

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charey
11/22/17 3:44:57 PM
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I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.
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Mal_Fet
11/22/17 3:45:35 PM
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DC just needs to scrap their current movie universe and reboot it with Paul Dini and Bruce Timm at the helm.
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ChromaticAngel
11/22/17 3:46:28 PM
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charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.
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NewerMernardi
11/22/17 3:46:50 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.

A good movie
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KazumaKiryu
11/22/17 3:46:55 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.


They want DC to get out of the market.
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TheoryzC
11/22/17 3:48:30 PM
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They want Batman with Time to Plan

Gonna have to wait for Matt Reeves Batman for that
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prince_leo
11/22/17 3:48:58 PM
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the DCEU has its faults but I wouldn't say this is one. Batman should be helpless in fights that give the big guys pause
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NewerMernardi
11/22/17 3:49:08 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.


They want DC to get out of the market.

Dude your butt must be sore almost a week of melting down.
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Deadpool_18
11/22/17 3:49:53 PM
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I made the mistake of joining a DC related FB group and was immediately attacked when I called Snyder a hack.
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SamuelHayden
11/22/17 3:52:30 PM
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NewerMernardi posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.


They want DC to get out of the market.

Dude your butt must be sore almost a week of melting down.


He might be on to something though.
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Mal_Fet
11/22/17 3:55:42 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Were_Wyrm posted...
The fact that he's nearly 40 is another problem. I don't care if you're "peak human" your body is starting to slow and breakdown, he should be close to retiring and passing on the mantle.


Iron Man is 40ish.

Iron Man doesn't need to rely on his physical ability to fight crime.
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NewerMernardi
11/22/17 3:57:17 PM
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SamuelHayden posted...
NewerMernardi posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
charey posted...
I think Batman just works better as a solo hero. The only way for him to even help at Superman/Wonder Woman levels of bad guys is to crank his planning abilities up to the point of being a Mary Sue.

They did that in BvS and they hated that too so idk what the fuck critics want at this point.


They want DC to get out of the market.

Dude your butt must be sore almost a week of melting down.


He might be on to something though.

No, people want good live action DC movies. Not trash DCEU ones.
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SamuelHayden
11/22/17 3:57:54 PM
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The DCEU really has no idea what to do with Batman, that is true.

DCEU's idea of supeheroes is 'PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM', and then the add a theme on top of that.

Aquaman? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus water and being a cool guy
Flash? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus being super fast
Cyborg? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus OMG TECH!
WW? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus tumblrina appeal

That leaves us with batman... he can't PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM because he is just a human! This is already starting to cause issues: He pretty much ran and hid under a rock during the doomsday fight, until he fired a seemingly ineffective smoke grenade at Doomsday in the end. He was also getting his ass kicked by parademons, literally jobbers, while the real superheroes fought Steppenwolfe.
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Deadpool_18
11/22/17 3:59:14 PM
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Wtf does the E in DCEU stand for...?
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Kaname_Madoka
11/22/17 4:00:08 PM
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SamuelHayden posted...
The DCEU really has no idea what to do with Batman, that is true.

DCEU's idea of supeheroes is 'PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM', and then the add a theme on top of that.

Aquaman? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus water and being a cool guy
Flash? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus being super fast
Cyborg? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus OMG TECH!
WW? PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM plus tumblrina appeal

That leaves us with batman... he can't PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM because he is just a human! This is already starting to cause issues: He pretty much ran and hid under a rock during the doomsday fight, until he fired a seemingly ineffective smoke grenade at Doomsday in the end. He was also getting his ass kicked by parademons, literally jobbers, while the real superheroes fought Steppenwolfe.

I agree except everyone loves gal's wonder woman
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SamuelHayden
11/22/17 4:00:34 PM
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They have made Batman pretty dumb and pigheaded too, while his only real weapon is his intellect and strategic thinking.

He is perhaps the dumbest hero in the JL, compare to the batman in that one animated DC movie where he devised a way to mess up everybody, even superman and the batman who faced darkseid and lived to tell the tale
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TheoryzC
11/22/17 4:00:46 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
Wtf does the E in DCEU stand for...?

Extended

It's not even the official name of this universe
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Deadpool_18
11/22/17 4:02:07 PM
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TheoryzC posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Wtf does the E in DCEU stand for...?

Extended

It's not even the official name of this universe


What the hell?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
11/22/17 4:02:57 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
Wtf does the E in DCEU stand for...?

Extended. It's meant to differentiate the DC cinematic universe starting from Man of Steel and on, from the TV shows, or from previous DC movies.
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prince_leo
11/22/17 4:04:02 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
What the hell?

WB has said that they don't use it internally, but fans, media, and even some actors use it
so ehh, just differentiates it from the MCU (which is official)
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stoltenberg11
11/22/17 4:06:25 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
His skills in the comic books his analytical mind, his knack for problem solving, his strategy and intelligence have been downplayed in favor of a more rugged, more physical character.

These things were on display pretty well in both movies he's been in so far.
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Deadpool_18
11/22/17 4:08:29 PM
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Deadpool_18 posted...
Wtf does the E in DCEU stand for...?

Extended. It's meant to differentiate the DC cinematic universe starting from Man of Steel and on, from the TV shows, or from previous DC movies.


...thats stupid. No one considers DC movies beforehand as any kind of universe. None of them tied into anything else.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
11/22/17 4:09:27 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
...thats stupid. No one considers DC movies beforehand as any kind of universe. None of them tied into anything else.

It's just a line of demarcation. Like saying 500 BC vs 500 AD. And we refer to the The Dark Knight as Nolan-verse. So yes, there is a kind of universe. Don't forget about the TV series.
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Questionmarktarius
11/22/17 4:16:14 PM
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prince_leo
11/22/17 4:19:05 PM
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Deadpool_18 posted...
...thats stupid. No one considers DC movies beforehand as any kind of universe. None of them tied into anything else.

I think it's because they also have the tv shows in their own universe, as opposed to Marvel who says they're one and the same
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