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ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 4:17:30 PM #102:	Mal_Fet posted... KarmaMuffin posted... Right? Obviously with this coming out the week of Thanksgiving this is about family members the kids don't know. Your second cousin or great Aunt is not someone the child sees often, if at all. Being forced to hug a complete stranger because they happen to be related is ridiculous, nothing is learned for the kid about affection. It's up to the parent to decide who their kid should hug. No one ever said kids must be forced to hug every single member of their family. This cretin in the Girl Scouts though thinks kids shouldn't be told to hug any family member. Do you not see the problem here Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? For family members less known to the kid, maybe to ask only at the end of the get together to say goodbye rather than at the beginning so that the kids can get to know the person better (and encourage interaction)? The kid is likely to feel more comfortable after warming up to someone, and in general, kids are much more shy at first greeting than after interaction, even with relatives they have seen plenty of times before. It's like social game in a reality show competition. You force someone to do what you want them to, you get burned. You convince someone to do what you want them to do and lead them to want to do it themselves, you're in a decent spot. Cliche aside, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I know, "reality tv show lol" but I've watched enough of them, and spent enough time participating in competitions modelled after them to understand the value and insight in terms of social dynamics. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890881805] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote> Right? Obviously with this coming out the week of Thanksgiving this is about family members the kids don't know. Your second cousin or great Aunt is not someone the child sees often, if at all. Being forced to hug a complete stranger because they happen to be related is ridiculous, nothing is learned for the kid about affection. </quote> It's up to the parent to decide who their kid should hug. No one ever said kids must be forced to hug every single member of their family. This cretin in the Girl Scouts though thinks kids shouldn't be told to hug any family member. Do you not see the problem here</quote> Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? For family members less known to the kid, maybe to ask only at the end of the get together to say goodbye rather than at the beginning so that the kids can get to know the person better (and encourage interaction)? The kid is likely to feel more comfortable after warming up to someone, and in general, kids are much more shy at first greeting than after interaction, even with relatives they have seen plenty of times before. It's like social game in a reality show competition. You force someone to do what you want them to, you get burned. You convince someone to do what you want them to do and lead them to want to do it themselves, you're in a decent spot. Cliche aside, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I know, "reality tv show lol" but I've watched enough of them, and spent enough time participating in competitions modelled after them to understand the value and insight in terms of social dynamics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/22/17 4:21:22 PM #103:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? Why are we assuming the reason a kid doesn't want to hug a family member is because they're child molesters Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it? And again, no one is saying you should force your child to hug every family member. A parent probably has a better idea of who it's ok to hug than the kid does. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890882020] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? </quote> Why are we assuming the reason a kid doesn't want to hug a family member is because they're child molesters Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it? And again, no one is saying you should force your child to hug every family member. A parent probably has a better idea of who it's ok to hug than the kid does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 11/22/17 4:21:22 PM #104:	i force my wife's son to hug every homeless person we encounter --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:890882022] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>i force my wife's son to hug every homeless person we encounter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 4:21:51 PM #105:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... I don't want hugs from my nieces or nephew unless they want to hug me. Implying that being told to hug someone means that the kid didn't want to hug the person otherwise or was uncomfortable doing it? As if most kids will just spontaneously run up and hug everybody of their own volition? There's another reason why it's good to tell kids who to show affection to. Teaching them who they're supposed to hug is a good thing. Telling a kid to hug grandma is telling them it's good to hug grandma. You don't tell a kid to hug a stranger, which communicates that it's inappropriate to hug strangers. So ironically, letting kids just decide on their own who they should hug would likely cause them to get wrong ideas about personal boundaries. The article doesn't say "don't tell your kid to hug people they don't want to hug", by the way. They just tell you not to tell your kids to hug period. No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice. Are you really going to respond to that one sentence and ignore everything else I posted? Why would you do that? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890882046] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>I don't want hugs from my nieces or nephew unless they want to hug me. </quote> Implying that being told to hug someone means that the kid didn't want to hug the person otherwise or was uncomfortable doing it? As if most kids will just spontaneously run up and hug everybody of their own volition? There's another reason why it's good to tell kids who to show affection to. Teaching them who they're supposed to hug is a good thing. Telling a kid to hug grandma is telling them it's good to hug grandma. You don't tell a kid to hug a stranger, which communicates that it's inappropriate to hug strangers. So ironically, letting kids just decide on their own who they should hug would likely cause them to get wrong ideas about personal boundaries. The article doesn't say "don't tell your kid to hug people they don't want to hug", by the way. They just tell you not to tell your kids to hug period.</quote> No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice. Are you really going to respond to that one sentence and ignore everything else I posted? Why would you do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/22/17 4:25:16 PM #106:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice. Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890882243] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice.</quote> Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 4:25:24 PM #107:	Mal_Fet posted... Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it? Personally, I wish I would have been encouraged to be more social and friendly as a kid. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890882254] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it?</quote> Personally, I wish I would have been encouraged to be more social and friendly as a kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 11/22/17 4:26:30 PM #108:	Mal_Fet posted... Wow, all this time I thought the reason you make your kids show affection to family members is to they don't grow up to be ungrateful brats who think they're the center of the fucking world. Well that plan failed horribly didnt it? --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:890882320] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, all this time I thought the reason you make your kids show affection to family members is to they don't grow up to be ungrateful brats who think they're the center of the fucking world.</quote> Well that plan failed horribly didnt it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 4:26:47 PM #109:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice. Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash You don't understand. Parents aren't the only ones raising kids these days. Make room for the journalist propagandists. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890882330] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice.</quote> Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash</quote> You don't understand. Parents aren't the only ones raising kids these days. Make room for the journalist propagandists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 11/22/17 4:27:45 PM #110:	Why is mal so obsessed with getting hugs from children --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:890882386] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>Why is mal so obsessed with getting hugs from children</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/22/17 4:28:08 PM #111:	The Deadpool posted... Mal_Fet posted... Wow, all this time I thought the reason you make your kids show affection to family members is to they don't grow up to be ungrateful brats who think they're the center of the fucking world. Well that plan failed horribly didnt it? My parents didn't make me hug enough people, I guess. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890882415] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, all this time I thought the reason you make your kids show affection to family members is to they don't grow up to be ungrateful brats who think they're the center of the fucking world.</quote> Well that plan failed horribly didnt it?</quote> My parents didn't make me hug enough people, I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 11/22/17 4:29:49 PM #112:	I feel like Mal you're being stubborn. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:890882508] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>I feel like Mal you're being stubborn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 4:39:49 PM #113:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? Why are we assuming the reason a kid doesn't want to hug a family member is because they're child molesters Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it? And again, no one is saying you should force your child to hug every family member. A parent probably has a better idea of who it's ok to hug than the kid does. I'm not assuming that at all. I mentioned it to rule it out, because anyone who would respond with nonsense like "derrrrrrrr but what if relative in question is molesty?" would be missing the entire point of what I'm saying. I put that in there literally to preemptively steer any sjws AWAY from that line of thought. Yes it is a good thing if the kid is shy/introverted. You are 100% right, but as someone who is shy and introverted, forcing me made things worse before they got better on their own. That's why I outlined the entire approach. I really hope you are actually reading everything I have posted, because while we are not on exactly the same page, we are on pages that overlap. Again, please read and respond to my outline of teaching by encouraging rather than force. I'm not going to advocate forcing a shy and introverted kid to do something as someone who was a shy and introverted kid who was forced to do something and found it non-constructive. It wouldn't make sense. Again, yes the parent does have a better idea, which is why I explained how a parent could better approach the situation. Who is okay to hug? Of course. You are correct and I never implied I thought you weren't. This argument is not about who is okay to hug. It's about who is inherently entitled to a hug. Acceptable vs. Compulsory. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890883072] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Do you not think it would be reasonable though to not force the kid to hug, but if the kid doesn't want to, ask why? If the reasoning doesn't seem to suggest creepy behavior by the relative, talk to the kid about the value of affection? Maybe talk to relatives about asking for a hug, rather than just expecting it? </quote> Why are we assuming the reason a kid doesn't want to hug a family member is because they're child molesters Isn't the reason a kid doesn't want to hug their aunt much more likely due to introversion or shyness? If that's the case, having them be more social is a good thing, isn't it? And again, no one is saying you should force your child to hug every family member. A parent probably has a better idea of who it's ok to hug than the kid does.</quote> I'm not assuming that at all. I mentioned it to rule it out, because anyone who would respond with nonsense like "derrrrrrrr but what if relative in question is molesty?" would be missing the entire point of what I'm saying. I put that in there literally to preemptively steer any sjws AWAY from that line of thought. Yes it is a good thing if the kid is shy/introverted. You are 100% right, but as someone who is shy and introverted, forcing me made things worse before they got better on their own. That's why I outlined the entire approach. I really hope you are actually reading everything I have posted, because while we are not on exactly the same page, we are on pages that overlap. Again, please read and respond to my outline of teaching by encouraging rather than force. I'm not going to advocate forcing a shy and introverted kid to do something as someone who was a shy and introverted kid who was forced to do something and found it non-constructive. It wouldn't make sense. Again, yes the parent does have a better idea, which is why I explained how a parent could better approach the situation. Who is okay to hug? Of course. You are correct and I never implied I thought you weren't. This argument is not about who is okay to hug. It's about who is inherently entitled to a hug. Acceptable vs. Compulsory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 4:43:55 PM #114:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice. Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. I can't judge you for that. I'm just not that way, so it is difficult for me to see my words getting turned into that. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890883274] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. I'm implying that if someone doesn't want to hug me, I don't want a hug from them. Im not comfortable receiving a hug from someone who is doing so under the pretense of not feeling like it's their choice.</quote> Question: if your brother/sister said "hug your uncle!" to his/her kid, and they ran up to hug you, would you be like "Whoa, hold on there youngling. I refuse to hug you if you were ordered to hug me". In my experience, (smart) kids usually will wait for a cue from their parents before doing something, even if they really want to do it. Kids who run off and do things without parents' permission are usually the kids you see on a leash</quote> No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. I can't judge you for that. I'm just not that way, so it is difficult for me to see my words getting turned into that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 11/22/17 4:46:53 PM #115:	I'm outraged! --- https://imgur.com/KVIcgYt <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:890883447] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>I'm outraged!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 11/22/17 4:57:44 PM #116:	3khc posted... I feel like Mal you're being stubborn. Its his only mode. Hes always stubborn. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:890884098] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like Mal you're being stubborn.</quote> Its his only mode. Hes always stubborn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/22/17 5:07:12 PM #117:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:890884584] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. </quote> Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 11/22/17 5:18:01 PM #118:	idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:890885196] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 11/22/17 5:27:41 PM #119:	i dont see a problem with letting them refuse. they should have that option, imo. i'd like to know their reason, and explain why I think they should. but ultimately, affection is their choice to give or not. I dont see how thats problematic. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:890885731] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>i dont see a problem with letting them refuse. they should have that option, imo. i'd like to know their reason, and explain why I think they should. but ultimately, affection is their choice to give or not. I dont see how thats problematic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 5:57:55 PM #120:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride I've already told you I agree with you on a number of aspects of this. It is clear that you are dissecting everything I'm saying and selectively only responding to things you feel you can get away with being combative with me about. This is what you do. If you admit it now, it would be in your best interest. If you don't, you're going to lose whatever poker face you have left with this board at this point. My stance is "don't force your kid to hug family." They specifically say daughter. I disagree with that. They have reasons behind it. I disagree with their reasons. You state that the parent knows best on who is okay to hug. I agree with you, already stated. You said encouraging a shy/introverted kid to be more social is a good thing. I agree with you, already stated (key word is encourage, not force). What you presented me with is a scenario where the parent has already told the kid to hug, which I wouldn't agree with, but I'm not going to say "actually no don't hug me. Don't listen to your mom/my stepsister." That would be weird. If you think that would be weird, yes, I am agreeing with you. I would prefer if she didn't tell them to do it in the first place. Sometimes they have wanted to, so they have. Sometimes they haven't felt like it, so they haven't been made to. Is that okay with you? If so, yes, we are in agreement there. Would I force a child to hug a family member? No. Would I tell them to? No. Would I talk about family and encourage them to want to? Yes. Would I ask them "do you want to give ____ a hug?" Yes, though I wouldn't put them on the spot in front of the relative in question. Is that okay with you? If so, we are in agreement. Is that sufficient in determining where we agree and disagree? I can clarify further if you want. If you had read and responded to everything I posted, instead of just selectively focusing on points you disagree with or don't understand just so you could sink your teeth into them for whatever the reason you constantly do this is, you would have already known about several things I agree with you about and would have saved me the trouble of reiterating them. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890887528] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. </quote> Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride</quote> I've already told you I agree with you on a number of aspects of this. It is clear that you are dissecting everything I'm saying and selectively only responding to things you feel you can get away with being combative with me about. This is what you do. If you admit it now, it would be in your best interest. If you don't, you're going to lose whatever poker face you have left with this board at this point. My stance is "don't force your kid to hug family." They specifically say daughter. I disagree with that. They have reasons behind it. I disagree with their reasons. You state that the parent knows best on who is okay to hug. I agree with you, already stated. You said encouraging a shy/introverted kid to be more social is a good thing. I agree with you, already stated (key word is encourage, not force). What you presented me with is a scenario where the parent has already told the kid to hug, which I wouldn't agree with, but I'm not going to say "actually no don't hug me. Don't listen to your mom/my stepsister." That would be weird. If you think that would be weird, yes, I am agreeing with you. I would prefer if she didn't tell them to do it in the first place. Sometimes they have wanted to, so they have. Sometimes they haven't felt like it, so they haven't been made to. Is that okay with you? If so, yes, we are in agreement there. Would I force a child to hug a family member? No. Would I tell them to? No. Would I talk about family and encourage them to want to? Yes. Would I ask them "do you want to give ____ a hug?" Yes, though I wouldn't put them on the spot in front of the relative in question. Is that okay with you? If so, we are in agreement. Is that sufficient in determining where we agree and disagree? I can clarify further if you want. If you had read and responded to everything I posted, instead of just selectively focusing on points you disagree with or don't understand just so you could sink your teeth into them for whatever the reason you constantly do this is, you would have already known about several things I agree with you about and would have saved me the trouble of reiterating them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 6:05:39 PM #121:	Better do what he says or we'll probably be subjected to another deluge of verbal diarrhea. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890887963] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>Better do what he says or we'll probably be subjected to another deluge of verbal diarrhea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 11/22/17 6:09:29 PM #122:	Wish someone would have told my parents that. I fucking hated having to hug all the relatives at holidays. Old person breath is stank <cite>Axiom posted [p:890888167] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>Wish someone would have told my parents that. I fucking hated having to hug all the relatives at holidays. Old person breath is stank</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 11/22/17 6:14:00 PM #123:	Im STILL outraged! --- https://imgur.com/KVIcgYt <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:890888409] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>Im STILL outraged!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/22/17 6:17:10 PM #124:	Funbazooka posted... Better do what he says or we'll probably be subjected to another deluge of verbal diarrhea. Seriously, there's zero point in trying to argue with Mal because he forces an argument on you that no one is having. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:890888578] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Better do what he says or we'll probably be subjected to another deluge of verbal diarrhea.</quote> Seriously, there's zero point in trying to argue with Mal because he forces an argument on you that no one is having.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 11/22/17 6:19:04 PM #125:	ThyCorndog posted... idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever I'm Hispanic and grew up kissing everyone. I don't think anyone should have to and I really don't like it that it's a cultural norm. Anecdotal but the friends I made in college generally said they find it uncomfortable to make the circle at the end of an event. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:890888703] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever</quote> I'm Hispanic and grew up kissing everyone. I don't think anyone should have to and I really don't like it that it's a cultural norm. Anecdotal but the friends I made in college generally said they find it uncomfortable to make the circle at the end of an event.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 6:19:11 PM #126:	I was referring to machete's post. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890888711] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>I was referring to machete's post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 6:21:56 PM #127:	Funbazooka posted... I was triggered by machete's post. Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890888860] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>I was triggered by machete's post.</quote> Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 11/22/17 6:23:29 PM #128:	speaking of the hispanic kissing thing, my wife's parents never forced her or her brother to do that because her dad got lifetime cold sores from being forced to as a child --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:890888948] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>speaking of the hispanic kissing thing, my wife's parents never forced her or her brother to do that because her dad got lifetime cold sores from being forced to as a child</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 11/22/17 6:29:21 PM #129:	Hinakuluiau posted... ThyCorndog posted... idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever I'm Hispanic and grew up kissing everyone. I don't think anyone should have to and I really don't like it that it's a cultural norm. Anecdotal but the friends I made in college generally said they find it uncomfortable to make the circle at the end of an event. ya I'm southern euro, but I don't really mind it. I would prefer not to do it but it doesn't bother me much. I would agree no one should feel obligated to do it ideally --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:890889274] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote>idk how I feel about this because our culture here in the US is weird about physical contact. people in my family kiss each other on the cheek regardless of gender. hugging seems like a weird thing to be concerned about but whatever</quote> I'm Hispanic and grew up kissing everyone. I don't think anyone should have to and I really don't like it that it's a cultural norm. Anecdotal but the friends I made in college generally said they find it uncomfortable to make the circle at the end of an event.</quote> ya I'm southern euro, but I don't really mind it. I would prefer not to do it but it doesn't bother me much. I would agree no one should feel obligated to do it ideally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 6:30:13 PM #130:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Funbazooka posted... I was triggered by machete's post. Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you. Just poking fun at you. You're not amused? --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890889316] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>I was triggered by machete's post.</quote> Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you.</quote> Just poking fun at you. You're not amused?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 6:30:53 PM #131:	prince_leo posted... speaking of the hispanic kissing thing, my wife's parents never forced her or her brother to do that because her dad got lifetime cold sores from being forced to as a child Blood's thicker than water --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890889360] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>speaking of the hispanic kissing thing, my wife's parents never forced her or her brother to do that because her dad got lifetime cold sores from being forced to as a child</quote> Blood's thicker than water</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 8:08:08 PM #132:	Funbazooka posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Funbazooka posted... I was triggered by machete's post. Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you. Just poking fun at you. You're not amused? I don't know you well enough to be amused, but that's good to know. Thanks for clarifying :) --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890894266] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>I was triggered by machete's post.</quote> Sorry. I thought you had the option to not read it. Didn't mean to trigger you.</quote> Just poking fun at you. You're not amused?</quote> I don't know you well enough to be amused, but that's good to know. Thanks for clarifying :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Geist des Durcheinan 11/22/17 8:32:37 PM #133:	This world needs a culling of the weak... --- "If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which he has inflicted on man, he would kill himself" <cite>Geist des Durcheinan posted [p:890895512] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>This world needs a culling of the weak...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/22/17 8:50:35 PM #134:	Geist des Durcheinan posted... This world needs a culling of the weak... You got a neat sig there --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890896405] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Geist des Durcheinan posted...</cite> <quote>This world needs a culling of the weak...</quote> You got a neat sig there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 11/22/17 8:52:17 PM #135:	The weak should fear the strong --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:890896490] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>The weak should fear the strong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/22/17 8:54:21 PM #136:	Geist des Durcheinan posted... This world needs a culling of the weak... Hmmmmmmmmm, literally 1 active post, and it happens to be this, in this topic. Who's pulling out the alts now? --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:890896607] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>Geist des Durcheinan posted...</cite> <quote>This world needs a culling of the weak...</quote> Hmmmmmmmmm, literally 1 active post, and it happens to be this, in this topic. Who's pulling out the alts now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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smoke_break 11/22/17 9:47:27 PM #138:	doesn't seem like a big deal to me since a hug is so brief. a normal hug is like what, a second or two? I mean its not like you have to cuddle with the person lol. to me its the same thing as a handshake. now if this was kissing then I can understand why people would be against it but a hug is literally harmless --- http://i.imgur.com/WTmIPt8.jpg <cite>smoke_break posted [p:890899336] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>doesn't seem like a big deal to me since a hug is so brief. a normal hug is like what, a second or two? I mean its not like you have to cuddle with the person lol. to me its the same thing as a handshake. now if this was kissing then I can understand why people would be against it but a hug is literally harmless</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 11/23/17 2:44:43 AM #139:	Wonder if the kids Roy Moore "hugged" were forced to do so. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:890911697] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote>Wonder if the kids Roy Moore "hugged" were forced to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 11/23/17 12:21:07 PM #140:	shockthemonkey posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride I've already told you I agree with you on a number of aspects of this. It is clear that you are dissecting everything I'm saying and selectively only responding to things you feel you can get away with being combative with me about. This is what you do. If you admit it now, it would be in your best interest. If you don't, you're going to lose whatever poker face you have left with this board at this point. My stance is "don't force your kid to hug family." They specifically say daughter. I disagree with that. They have reasons behind it. I disagree with their reasons. You state that the parent knows best on who is okay to hug. I agree with you, already stated. You said encouraging a shy/introverted kid to be more social is a good thing. I agree with you, already stated (key word is encourage, not force). What you presented me with is a scenario where the parent has already told the kid to hug, which I wouldn't agree with, but I'm not going to say "actually no don't hug me. Don't listen to your mom/my stepsister." That would be weird. If you think that would be weird, yes, I am agreeing with you. I would prefer if she didn't tell them to do it in the first place. Sometimes they have wanted to, so they have. Sometimes they haven't felt like it, so they haven't been made to. Is that okay with you? If so, yes, we are in agreement there. Would I force a child to hug a family member? No. Would I tell them to? No. Would I talk about family and encourage them to want to? Yes. Would I ask them "do you want to give ____ a hug?" Yes, though I wouldn't put them on the spot in front of the relative in question. Is that okay with you? If so, we are in agreement. Is that sufficient in determining where we agree and disagree? I can clarify further if you want. If you had read and responded to everything I posted, instead of just selectively focusing on points you disagree with or don't understand just so you could sink your teeth into them for whatever the reason you constantly do this is, you would have already known about several things I agree with you about and would have saved me the trouble of reiterating them. This is far too reasonable for Mal to respond to Silence is worth a thousand words. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:890926934] in Girl Scout... [t:76019802]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>No. If they were told to and they clearly wanted to, of course that would be fine and I would hug them. If they initiated it on their own, same thing. You don't need to look at everything I say as some kind of extreme. I know you are very black and white, and that's fine. </quote> Did you read the article? They are opposed to the very situation I presented you with. The article does not say "don't tell your daughter to hug family they obviously don't want to hug", they just say "don't tell your daughter to hug family". You agree with me, you just won't admit it. If not out of ignorance, out of pride</quote> I've already told you I agree with you on a number of aspects of this. It is clear that you are dissecting everything I'm saying and selectively only responding to things you feel you can get away with being combative with me about. This is what you do. If you admit it now, it would be in your best interest. If you don't, you're going to lose whatever poker face you have left with this board at this point. My stance is "don't force your kid to hug family." They specifically say daughter. I disagree with that. They have reasons behind it. I disagree with their reasons. You state that the parent knows best on who is okay to hug. I agree with you, already stated. You said encouraging a shy/introverted kid to be more social is a good thing. I agree with you, already stated (key word is encourage, not force). What you presented me with is a scenario where the parent has already told the kid to hug, which I wouldn't agree with, but I'm not going to say "actually no don't hug me. Don't listen to your mom/my stepsister." That would be weird. If you think that would be weird, yes, I am agreeing with you. I would prefer if she didn't tell them to do it in the first place. Sometimes they have wanted to, so they have. Sometimes they haven't felt like it, so they haven't been made to. Is that okay with you? If so, yes, we are in agreement there. Would I force a child to hug a family member? No. Would I tell them to? No. Would I talk about family and encourage them to want to? Yes. Would I ask them "do you want to give ____ a hug?" Yes, though I wouldn't put them on the spot in front of the relative in question. Is that okay with you? If so, we are in agreement. Is that sufficient in determining where we agree and disagree? I can clarify further if you want. If you had read and responded to everything I posted, instead of just selectively focusing on points you disagree with or don't understand just so you could sink your teeth into them for whatever the reason you constantly do this is, you would have already known about several things I agree with you about and would have saved me the trouble of reiterating them.</quote> This is far too reasonable for Mal to respond to</quote> Silence is worth a thousand words.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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