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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:27:41 PM
#103:


Romes187 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
I think it's because the people who haven't succeeded at something want to drag everyone down with them, rather than focusing on improving and succeeding at something.
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Well yeah - they've also been told that the system is completely against them due to power structures that they cannot control. Like...yeah thats partially true. But nature itself is against us all...its not just social structures.

So they get all resentful and they don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich


Exactly. What I find to be one of the most ironic parts is that capitalism has done more to improve the standard of living for the poor than any other system, including socialism. Yet they'll never admit as much because they're committed to their religion.
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The Admiral
11/16/17 7:29:25 PM
#104:


The problem with an economy that doesn't use money is that the shit work still needs to get done. If no one wants to voluntarily clean toilets for a living in this moneyless economy, eventually the government decides for you who will do it. And if you refuse, the government sends you to a gulag or gets rid of you, since you're not contributing to the state's production. This is exactly why literally every Communist country necessarily becomes authoritarian; there is no other way to get people to do what is needed to sustain society without the profit motive.

This myth that the chronically unemployed losers on this board who support Communism have that they can just continue sitting at home all day and get a check courtesy of money seized from rich people is a fucking joke. In reality, they'd just get a bullet in the head for their zero contribution to society.
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COVxy
11/16/17 7:29:27 PM
#105:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
It is coherent. It's very simple, actually. People are not motivated solely by money when money is part of the picture. Because the money is a given, so they'll seek additional novelty or something of the sort to supplement the money.


Unfortunately it's not coherent in the framework of models of learning and goal directed behavior. Do you have any evidence to suggest that such models fail? Experimental evidence, that is.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:30:30 PM
#106:


The Admiral posted...
The problem with an economy that doesn't use money is that the shit work still needs to get done. If no one wants to voluntarily clean toilets for a living in this moneyless economy, eventually the government decides for you who will do it. And if you refuse, the government sends you to a gulag or gets rid of you, since you're not contributing to the state's production. This is exactly why literally every Communist country necessarily becomes authoritarian; there is no other way to get people to do what is needed to sustain society without the profit motive.

This myth that the chronically unemployed losers on this board who support Communism have that they can just continue sitting at home all day and get a check courtesy of money seized from rich people is a fucking joke. In reality, they'd just get a bullet in the head for their zero contribution to society.


But COVxy said that people will be depressed if they aren't working 40 hours a week!
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Romes187
11/16/17 7:31:18 PM
#107:


The Admiral posted...
The problem with an economy that doesn't use money is that the shit work still needs to get done. If no one wants to voluntarily clean toilets for a living in this moneyless economy, eventually the government decides for you who will do it. And if you refuse, the government sends you to a gulag or gets rid of you, since your not contributing to the state's production. This is exactly why literally every Communist country necessarily becomes authoritarian; there is no other way to get people to do what is needed to sustain society without the profit motive.


It's also why, when you ask them how they think the glorious revolution will take place, they avoid the question...because they know they'll have to force people to follow in line...and they are ok with that. But they can't admit it yet, because that's the power structure they like to pretend to revolt against.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:32:11 PM
#108:


COVxy posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
It is coherent. It's very simple, actually. People are not motivated solely by money when money is part of the picture. Because the money is a given, so they'll seek additional novelty or something of the sort to supplement the money.


Unfortunately it's not coherent in the framework of models of learning and goal directed behavior. Do you have any evidence to suggest that such models fail? Experimental evidence, that is.


I'm not going to let you drag me into your shifting goal posts and religious psycho babble. I already gave you evidence that shows that more and more young men are perfectly content to play videogames all day and live with their parents. It's obvious that work is not a priority for them. To restrict this conversation to some rhetorical devices and dishonest goal posts means you don't have a leg to stand on. Kindly fuck off and go back to seeking some first-year PhD freshmen who are starving to work 80 hours a week so they won't be depressed or w/e.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:32:51 PM
#109:


Romes187 posted...
The Admiral posted...
The problem with an economy that doesn't use money is that the shit work still needs to get done. If no one wants to voluntarily clean toilets for a living in this moneyless economy, eventually the government decides for you who will do it. And if you refuse, the government sends you to a gulag or gets rid of you, since your not contributing to the state's production. This is exactly why literally every Communist country necessarily becomes authoritarian; there is no other way to get people to do what is needed to sustain society without the profit motive.


It's also why, when you ask them how they think the glorious revolution will take place, they avoid the question...because they know they'll have to force people to follow in line...and they are ok with that. But they can't admit it yet, because that's the power structure they like to pretend to revolt against.


They won't admit it until they feel confident that they're the majority. To admit anything else would be to admit that they're okay with violence and terrorism when it's done in the name of their cause. averagejoel has outright admitted it though.
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COVxy
11/16/17 7:37:03 PM
#110:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
I'm not going to let you drag me into your shifting goal posts and religious psycho babble.


You are arguing religiously. I asked for evidence, evidence that in the absence of a secondary reward schedule that primary rewards become less behaviorally driving.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:43:35 PM
#112:


@COVxy

The only way I will have any other conversation with you is if it happens in real time. That's the only way I'll be convinced that you're not just a shitty troll account.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 7:43:57 PM
#113:


Godnorgosh posted...
Btw, I'd just like to add that my views on this topic are pretty much irrelevant, because there's a high probability that capitalism will make the planet uninhabitable for humans before any of this could come to fruition.


How will capitalism make the planet uninhabitable for humans?
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COVxy
11/16/17 8:08:44 PM
#115:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
@COVxy

The only way I will have any other conversation with you is if it happens in real time. That's the only way I'll be convinced that you're not just a shitty troll account.


Lol.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:10:56 PM
#117:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Btw, I'd just like to add that my views on this topic are pretty much irrelevant, because there's a high probability that capitalism will make the planet uninhabitable for humans before any of this could come to fruition.


How will capitalism make the planet uninhabitable for humans?


Anti-science lobbying by oil companies, for one, will prevent a transition to alternative energy sources needed to keep the biosphere relatively stable.


um

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/25/u-s-solar-energy-employs-more-people-than-oil-coal-and-gas-combined-infographic/

Are you sure about that or are you just shitposting?
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:12:47 PM
#118:


Godnorgosh posted...
Put another way, capitalism incentivizes perpetual growth beyond what the planet's limited resources are capable of scaling with.


How are we doing in terms of resources? This has nothing to do with capitalism by the way. Capitalism means efficient allocation of limited resources. Socialism doesn't care about efficient allocation. And capitalism demonstrably innovates in ways that enable us to achieve more with less. It'll be capitalism that gets us into space and on other planets, not socialism.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:15:47 PM
#121:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Btw, I'd just like to add that my views on this topic are pretty much irrelevant, because there's a high probability that capitalism will make the planet uninhabitable for humans before any of this could come to fruition.


How will capitalism make the planet uninhabitable for humans?


Anti-science lobbying by oil companies, for one, will prevent a transition to alternative energy sources needed to keep the biosphere relatively stable.


um

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/25/u-s-solar-energy-employs-more-people-than-oil-coal-and-gas-combined-infographic/

Are you sure about that or are you just shitposting?


Cool. By the time we actually make the transition to solar, we'll be beyond the point of no return anyway.


How do you know this?
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:17:41 PM
#122:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
It'll be capitalism that gets us into space and on other planets


How's funding for NASA looking these days?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eeklq1IAvQ

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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:24:40 PM
#124:


Godnorgosh posted...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/have-we-passed-the-point-of-no-return-on-climate-change/


worthless fear mongering pop-sci article LMAO

we'll have fixed the issue long before we can ever do lasting damage to our planet. and you'll be thanking the capitalists who made it happen when we get there.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/16/17 8:28:05 PM
#126:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/have-we-passed-the-point-of-no-return-on-climate-change/


worthless fear mongering pop-sci article LMAO

we'll have fixed the issue long before we can ever do lasting damage to our planet. and you'll be thanking the capitalists who made it happen when we get there.


All I gleaned from this post is hubris and foolishness.


Oh okay Master Yoda
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yemmy
11/16/17 9:11:16 PM
#127:


MysticMismagius posted...
How come this conversation became about communism?


CE gonna CE
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darkjedilink
11/16/17 11:12:24 PM
#128:


COVxy posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
It is coherent. It's very simple, actually. People are not motivated solely by money when money is part of the picture. Because the money is a given, so they'll seek additional novelty or something of the sort to supplement the money.

Unfortunately it's not coherent in the framework of models of learning and goal directed behavior. Do you have any evidence to suggest that such models fail? Experimental evidence, that is.

Literally every quasi-Communist nation has proven this. There is a reason why every one of them has been forced to assign people to do shit jobs, and start killing those that don't contribute.
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darkjedilink
11/16/17 11:15:45 PM
#129:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Btw, I'd just like to add that my views on this topic are pretty much irrelevant, because there's a high probability that capitalism will make the planet uninhabitable for humans before any of this could come to fruition.

How will capitalism make the planet uninhabitable for humans?

Anti-science lobbying by oil companies, for one, will prevent a transition to alternative energy sources needed to keep the biosphere relatively stable.

um

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/01/25/u-s-solar-energy-employs-more-people-than-oil-coal-and-gas-combined-infographic/

Are you sure about that or are you just shitposting?

Cool. By the time we actually make the transition to solar, we'll be beyond the point of no return anyway.

We could have made that transition if it were left to capitalism. However, since the stated goal of climate alarmists has been global redistribution of wealth, we basically have no choice but to give China our money so they can pollute the planet at a faster rate to make us our solar panels because (ironically enough) our environmental protection laws make it prohibitively expensive to produce solar panels in America, which is why almost every one of those companies (heavily subsidized by the US Government) failed and got sold to Chinese business interests.
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COVxy
11/17/17 12:02:40 AM
#130:


darkjedilink posted...
Literally every quasi-Communist nation has proven this. There is a reason why every one of them has been forced to assign people to do shit jobs, and start killing those that don't contribute.

COVxy posted...
Experimental evidence, that is.

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darkjedilink
11/17/17 1:18:06 AM
#131:


COVxy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Literally every quasi-Communist nation has proven this. There is a reason why every one of them has been forced to assign people to do shit jobs, and start killing those that don't contribute.

COVxy posted...
Experimental evidence, that is.

Are you trying to suggest that a century's worth of real-world data doesn't count because reasons?
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COVxy
11/17/17 7:21:34 AM
#132:


I'm suggesting to look at something that's actually interpretable.
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darkjedilink
11/17/17 9:08:37 AM
#133:


COVxy posted...
I'm suggesting to look at something that's actually interpretable.

A century of real-world data isn't interpretable?
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UnfairRepresent
11/17/17 9:10:58 AM
#134:


yemmy posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
How come this conversation became about communism?


CE gonna CE

Controlling the conversation,

When you're wrong or have no argument, bring up something else so no one is talking about the original thing anymore.

Trump is a master at it.
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COVxy
11/17/17 9:29:09 AM
#135:


darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
I'm suggesting to look at something that's actually interpretable.

A century of real-world data isn't interpretable?


Not in any useful way, no.
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averagejoel
11/17/17 9:44:58 AM
#136:


Romes187 posted...
You know what someone means when they say "You don't know what communism is" or when they say "That wasn't REAL communism"....its just them saying

"Hey if I were in charge of it, I would have totally done it the CORRECT way"

it's like tell me....what is the correct way to do it without slaughtering tens of millions of people

read a history book

lol

you've been watching too many Jordan Peterson videos. he doesn't know anything about communism either
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UnfairRepresent
11/17/17 10:46:11 AM
#137:


If you're both saying the other one doesn't understand communism, isn't it pretty clear that the thing you're endorsing isn't the same thing their disregarding?
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darkjedilink
11/17/17 11:12:17 AM
#138:


COVxy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
I'm suggesting to look at something that's actually interpretable.

A century of real-world data isn't interpretable?

Not in any useful way, no.

Dude, we know you're saying this because it kills your argument.
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COVxy
11/17/17 11:15:33 AM
#139:


Or, you know, because I understand appropriate reasoning given evidence.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/17/17 12:46:22 PM
#140:


darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
I'm suggesting to look at something that's actually interpretable.

A century of real-world data isn't interpretable?

Not in any useful way, no.

Dude, we know you're saying this because it kills your argument.


He's just trying to weasel around the issue by forcing the conversation into a very strict path that he thinks he can survive on.
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darkjedilink
11/17/17 1:05:30 PM
#141:


COVxy posted...
Or, you know, because I understand appropriate reasoning given evidence.

Clearly, you don't, since you have yet to present any.
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Santorin
11/17/17 1:08:01 PM
#142:


refmon posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
KSknAj0ZJrsvS

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COVxy
11/17/17 1:10:34 PM
#143:


darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
Or, you know, because I understand appropriate reasoning given evidence.

Clearly, you don't, since you have yet to present any.


He made the claim that in the absence of secondary rewards primary reward become less behaviorally driving. It's on him to provide the evidence. No model of learning predicts this, so presumably he has very good reason to believe so.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/17/17 1:13:11 PM
#144:


I already gave evidence that supports my claim. COVxy is just trying to obfuscate because he's a try-hard academic who works in such a shitty lab that he has enough time to shitpost for hours on end on a regular basis.
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COVxy
11/17/17 1:18:16 PM
#145:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
I already gave evidence that supports my claim.


Your evidence does not support your claim. There are about infinite confounding factors, not to mention the fact that it is at best qualitative in nature.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/17/17 2:32:15 PM
#146:


*COVxy obfuscates harder*
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COVxy
11/17/17 2:35:28 PM
#147:


C1FM7pO
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darkjedilink
11/17/17 2:51:34 PM
#148:


COVxy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
Or, you know, because I understand appropriate reasoning given evidence.

Clearly, you don't, since you have yet to present any.

He made the claim that in the absence of secondary rewards primary reward become less behaviorally driving. It's on him to provide the evidence. No model of learning predicts this, so presumably he has very good reason to believe so.

YOU made the claim that everyone on the planet would freely choose backbreaking labor or risk death with zero compensation.

Prove it.
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COVxy
11/17/17 2:55:41 PM
#149:


darkjedilink posted...
YOU made the claim that everyone on the planet would freely choose backbreaking labor or risk death with zero compensation.


I made the claim that people are driven by more than simply monetary incentive, something I can demonstrate by selecting pretty much any paper in animal learning which uses primary reinforcers.
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darkjedilink
11/17/17 3:00:51 PM
#150:


COVxy posted...
darkjedilink posted...
YOU made the claim that everyone on the planet would freely choose backbreaking labor or risk death with zero compensation.

I made the claim that people are driven by more than simply monetary incentive, something I can demonstrate by selecting pretty much any paper in animal learning which uses primary reinforcers.

No, you claimed people would clean up after horses for no money.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/17/17 3:03:07 PM
#151:


darkjedilink, people will be depressed if they're not working 40 hours a week doing back breaking labor for no profit!

Just like all those young men mentioned in the link I provided. The ones who are happy to live at home and not work and just play videogames all day!
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COVxy
11/17/17 3:03:10 PM
#152:


Lol.
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