Current Events > How come, despite all these shootings, nothing at all is happening in response?

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r4X0r
11/14/17 4:23:07 PM
#101:


fenderbender321 posted...
I actually somewhat agree. But some countries have more or less had some success in their bans.

A country-wide ban in the US would be more effective at reducing access to guns than just a city ban. I don't think Chicago even bans sellers from selling guns...there are literally gun stores in Chicago.


You still don't get it. A country wide ban in the US would be effective at reducing access to guns... for law abiding people. In case you haven't noticed, criminals, being criminals, have this crazy tendency to not follow the law. Because criminal.
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Darmik
11/14/17 4:28:03 PM
#102:


Cherrys2000 posted...
The question was never comparing the two murder rates, it was comparing how they changed since Australia's new laws to see if they had actually done something.


Except that is literally what the article is indeed focusing on. The second article even concedes that gun violence has gone down. It tries to paint a narrative by being selective with the statistics they choose.

Crime stats don't exist in a bubble. Guns aren't the only thing that influence every single crime rate. The rape statistic is a perfect example of this. A police database logging more rape stats doesn't mean that more people get raped there. Yet that's exactly what the article tries to claim. And they also somehow try to attach this to gun laws.
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Cherrys2000
11/14/17 4:32:25 PM
#103:


Darmik posted...
Guns aren't the only thing that influence every single crime rate.


Congratulations, you just discovered the point that pro-gun advocates have been uttering for decades. Even when you try to take their guns, criminals will still commit crimes, and violent criminals will still be violent. History and current events make this all too clear.
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Darmik
11/14/17 4:38:29 PM
#104:


Cherrys2000 posted...
Darmik posted...
Guns aren't the only thing that influence every single crime rate.


Congratulations, you just discovered the point that pro-gun advocates have been uttering for decades. Even when you try to take their guns, criminals will still commit crimes, and violent criminals will still be violent. History and current events make this all too clear.


That's a strawman argument. Nobody is claiming that everyone is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya if guns are banned/restricted/whatever.
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Cherrys2000
11/14/17 4:41:48 PM
#105:


Darmik posted...
Cherrys2000 posted...
Darmik posted...
Guns aren't the only thing that influence every single crime rate.


Congratulations, you just discovered the point that pro-gun advocates have been uttering for decades. Even when you try to take their guns, criminals will still commit crimes, and violent criminals will still be violent. History and current events make this all too clear.


That's a strawman argument. Nobody is claiming that everyone is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya if guns are banned/restricted/whatever.


Yet I fail to ever see a rebuttal to it from the gun control crowd.
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Darmik
11/14/17 4:43:25 PM
#106:


Cherrys2000 posted...
Darmik posted...
Cherrys2000 posted...
Darmik posted...
Guns aren't the only thing that influence every single crime rate.


Congratulations, you just discovered the point that pro-gun advocates have been uttering for decades. Even when you try to take their guns, criminals will still commit crimes, and violent criminals will still be violent. History and current events make this all too clear.


That's a strawman argument. Nobody is claiming that everyone is going to hold hands and sing kumbaya if guns are banned/restricted/whatever.


Yet I fail to ever see a rebuttal to it from the gun control crowd.


US can try and solve their gun violence issue however they like (apparently it's gonna be nothing).

But trying to claim that it hasn't had a positive impact in Australia is complete nonsense.
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Darkman124
11/15/17 8:32:49 AM
#108:


because no federal congressmen have been killed

yet
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OpheliaAdenade
11/15/17 8:37:23 AM
#109:


why is it that gun control works in other countries but it absolutely, positively, couldn't possibly work for America too? :v
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Questionmarktarius
11/15/17 9:27:22 AM
#110:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
why is it that gun control works in other countries but it absolutely, positively, couldn't possibly work for America too? :v

Because there's more guns than people now, and we're an inherently paranoid and partisan people when government is concerned.
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Foppe
11/15/17 10:11:43 AM
#111:


Because Trump will clearly turn USA into a dictatorship the moment all guns are gone, and nobody can save USA without a gun.
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Questionmarktarius
11/15/17 2:25:29 PM
#112:


Foppe posted...
Because Trump will clearly turn USA into a dictatorship the moment all guns are gone, and nobody can save USA without a gun.

Kinda, yeah.
Whichever side tries a gun grab first, the other will voraciously oppose it.
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Foppe
11/15/17 2:41:44 PM
#114:


Would Stephen Paddock have got as many kills with a knife.
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Dark_Spiret
11/15/17 2:51:54 PM
#115:


both sides are fucking stupid when it comes to guns. the right doesnt want to budge on the issue and hopes it goes away and the lefts only answer is mainly coming up with "solutions" that are an emotional knee-jerk reaction and usually involve not knowing jack shit about the item so you have gun people thinking they are not worth talking to.

Foppe posted...
Would Stephen Paddock have got as many kills with a knife.
would have gotten probably more with a bomb which he had apparently parts of in his car and home. he was also a pilot so who knows what other kinds of damage he could of had. paddock was a unique case and guns were probably the most "long lasting" of his crazy fantasys.

people also bringing up gun control as an example in other countries i dont think you actually know of the US' unique situations which are either not present in other countries or heavily limited in comparison. theres a lot of problems in this country surrounding guns rather than just the item itself. getting rid of them is not going to solve it and potentially make things worse for a long time.
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Cherrys2000
11/15/17 2:54:14 PM
#116:


Foppe posted...
Would Stephen Paddock have got as many kills with a knife.


No, but Devin Patrick Kelley would have gotten more if Stephen Willeford hadn't been allowed to own a rifle.
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