Current Events > Overwatch community whining because "One-Tricking" is bannable

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Steve Nick posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

Then why did that dumb mod bring up the 'one-tricking' thing in his message?



Last sentence of first paragraph, he says that picking a character and ignoring requests to change = ban.

If this guy wasn't participating in the game and raged out, then yeah, he deserves the ban. Why not just message him saying he was banned for lack of participation and griefing?

The mod bringing up the other shit is stupid. The entire focus of the mod's message is on the hero picking thing. NOT on the guy's lack of participation.

The overuse of commas made that way too hard to read. I'm thinking the dev isn't a very good communicator so what he says probably comes off not quite the way he meant it. To me it looks like he is saying that picking one character every time and forcing the other 5 people on your team to play around your pick is poor teamwork, which is a bannable offense.

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying. Which is fucking bullshit. It shouldn't be a bannable offense.

It's a team game and Blizz has to weigh the rights of 1 player to have fun and play whoever they want vs the rights of the other 11 players to have an enjoyable, competitive game experience. Refusing to cooperate in a team game is appropriately a bannable offense here. Note that the bans are not permanent, they are only temporary suspensions.
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The reason it's not, or shouldn't be a bannable offense is because it's completely up to interpretation.

If person A picks a hero and thinks its the best option, and person B disagrees, then what do you do? Ban both people? Ban the person who gets blamed by more teammates?

You'll be basically banning people for not playing the game in the way that the moderator thinks you should.

You ban people for serious non-participation or griefing. Not for playing the game in a way you don't like. If someone is a bad player, that's not a moddable offense. There's already an MMR system to reflect bad players.
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Steve Nick posted...

If person A picks a hero and thinks its the best option, and person B disagrees, then what do you do? Ban both people? Ban the person who gets blamed by more teammates?

The best option is rarely going to be "I pick the same character each time".
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Stupid ****ing rule
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Anteaterking posted...

Steve Nick posted...

If person A picks a hero and thinks its the best option, and person B disagrees, then what do you do? Ban both people? Ban the person who gets blamed by more teammates?

The best option is rarely going to be "I pick the same character each time".

And you want to ban people for not playing what the mod considers "optimal strategy".
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There's definitely a conversation to be had about people abusing the report system. I think Overwatch's report system has always been a bit too easy to exploit and that's something they need to fix.

Still, if you choose to play in the competitive mode and then refuse to work with your team you shouldn't be allowed to play in that mode. It doesn't matter what your rank is, that's a shitty thing to do at any rank. I'm not going to change my mind on that.If you just want to do whatever then quickplay is available to you. How Blizzard goes about moderating things like this is a bit of a separate issue.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

There's definitely a conversation to be had about people abusing the report system. I think Overwatch's report system has always been a bit too easy to exploit and that's something they need to fix.

Still, if you choose to play in the competitive mode and then refuse to work with your team you shouldn't be allowed to play in that mode. It doesn't matter what your rank is, that's a shitty thing to do at any rank. I'm not going to change my mind on that.If you just want to do whatever then quickplay is available to you. How Blizzard goes about moderating things like this is a bit of a separate issue.

Try to define exactly what 'refuse to work with your team' means.

Does that mean everytime someone asks you to do something, you have to do it?

How does a mod look at a replay and be like....AH-HA that person isn't working with their team!
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stoltenberg11 posted...

Still, if you choose to play in the competitive mode and then refuse to work with your team you shouldn't be allowed to play in that mode. It doesn't matter what your rank is, that's a shitty thing to do at any rank. I'm not going to change my mind on that.If you just want to do whatever then quickplay is available to you.

Someone could argue that allowing me play what I'm good at is just as important as playing what the team thinks they need

Ranked mode or casual...it's still a game. Enjoyment comes first. Banning people because they want to play their favourite character is completely unacceptable
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It really does remind me of "mid or I afk" in my LoL days.
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Highwind07 posted...

Steve Nick posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

There's definitely a conversation to be had about people abusing the report system. I think Overwatch's report system has always been a bit too easy to exploit and that's something they need to fix.

Still, if you choose to play in the competitive mode and then refuse to work with your team you shouldn't be allowed to play in that mode. It doesn't matter what your rank is, that's a shitty thing to do at any rank. I'm not going to change my mind on that.If you just want to do whatever then quickplay is available to you. How Blizzard goes about moderating things like this is a bit of a separate issue.

Try to define exactly what 'refuse to work with your team' means.

Does that mean everytime someone asks you to do something, you have to do it?

How does a mod look at a replay and be like....AH-HA that person isn't working with their team!

Normally it is when your pick is being strongly hard countered but you refuse to change. For example there have been quite a lot of snipers from my experience that refuses to change even though they were being hard countered by Winston and/or D.VA which were quite common.

Another reason might be that your pick is not strongly synergistic with your teammate's picks. For example you have too many flankers on your team that is just doing their own thing and not capping objectives.

But now you're talking about advanced game theory. Again, you're wanting to ban people for not playing what you consider to be optimal strategy.

People who are bad at the game should be allowed to play the game. That's what the MMR system is for.
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You want to ban people for not playing the game in the particular style that you would like them to.

Are you even listening to yourself?
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This topic turned out like a really good mod dispute topic on CE. Guy doesn't post the full story, mod utterly trashes them, and a barely related, but somewhat valid criticism is discussed.
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Steve Nick posted...

stoltenberg11 posted...

There's definitely a conversation to be had about people abusing the report system. I think Overwatch's report system has always been a bit too easy to exploit and that's something they need to fix.

Still, if you choose to play in the competitive mode and then refuse to work with your team you shouldn't be allowed to play in that mode. It doesn't matter what your rank is, that's a shitty thing to do at any rank. I'm not going to change my mind on that.If you just want to do whatever then quickplay is available to you. How Blizzard goes about moderating things like this is a bit of a separate issue.

Try to define exactly what 'refuse to work with your team' means.

Does that mean everytime someone asks you to do something, you have to do it?

How does a mod look at a replay and be like....AH-HA that person isn't working with their team!

This is a hard question to answer without knowing what all mods get to look at when reviewing reports.
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Steve Nick posted...

You want to ban people for not playing the game in the particular style that you would like them to.

Are you even listening to yourself?

No. They are being suspended from comp mode only, or at least that's what I would prefer. No one is getting outright banned from the game forever.
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You going to ignore my point @stoltenberg11?
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"one-tricking"? is that a sex thing?
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ZMythos posted...

The devs are trying to please everybody, which results in pleasing nobody.

Seems like all blizzard does nowadays
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Never played Overwatch but that sounds lame. imo, they should either change the game itself so everyone can't pick the same character or just let it be the way it is. People shouldn't be banned and punished for wanting to play as the character they want or simply sucking.

Besides, if people want good teamwork, they should party up with friends anyway. I don't think I've ever seen a shooter where randoms communicated and had good teamwork.

It seems like a few months after the game launched the whole Overwatch design team was replaced. You can see it things like the recent new characters all look lame and generic compared to the launch characters. Also, this problem could be simply fixed if the game had a pick order before the game started instead of who connected to the game the fastest gets first pick.
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1: The game isnt not dying. In fact its empirically growing.

2: One tricking in a game that affects people other than yourself is bullshit. I play hots and wish people who refused to fill healer and tank roles got this same punishment

im not 13 posted...

Someone could argue that allowing me play what I'm good at is just as important as playing what the team thinks they need

They could, and it would be hard to prove it one way or the other. I guess Blizz has taken it upon themselves to determine when the benefits of playing your main over playing a better character for the situation and vice versa outweigh the costs. I doubt it's something to worry about though, and it probably has to do more with how many times you're reported than what some Blizz gm's opinion on the situation is.
im not 13 posted...

Ranked mode or casual...it's still a game. Enjoyment comes first. Banning people because they want to play their favourite character is completely unacceptable

Remember, your enjoyment vs 11 other people's enjoyment. they're going to rightfully choose the other 11 every time. They're not banning only suspending and I think only from comp mode but I could be wrong on that.
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Unless you have a fair matchmaking system in place that establishes a clear pick order that latency wont effect, punishing someone for their pick is a bad decision.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

1: The game isnt not dying. In fact its empirically growing.

2: One tricking in a game that affects people other than yourself is bullshit. I play hots and wish people who refused to fill healer and tank roles got this same punishment

Cool, then YOU switch. Why should I have to in this hypothetical situation?
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I'm not going to bother reading all 120+ posts but yes, a single bad player can cost the game. A single bad pick can't.

For the former, it's because the attempt to balance matches can (maybe 5-10% of the time) result in both teams being deadlocked. But one person being bad means the other 90-95% of the time? The balance is skewed in favor of the other team. With obvious exceptions existing up to like diamond rank because orisa mercy bastion can defend most points or maps without any issue well into platinum. Plus the fact that the game has it so for anyone below diamond, you can group with friends 1000 sr below you. Meaning yes, I've had low plat matches with 1 silver a plat and a gold grouped up. And yes, the silver was a large liability because they continued to die or misplay ults, resulting in net losses to the team by feeding the enemy team easy ult charge. But the same could be said about the gold player. Which plays into my second point.

If there's already a hanzo and somebody else goes widow, it isn't going to be the widows pick that costs the game. It's on both of those players remaining who they chose and not having the skill to turn the outcome in their favor. Which again, isn't really all that big a thing until diamond.

*shrugs* and even saying all that, I think that if I'm still in an sr range where one tricks can still be bad with their mains, then f it, don't ban them for being awful as long as they give it a genuine attempt.
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OctilIery posted...

FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

OctilIery posted...

Gimmick posted...

If I got banned from playing an online only game just for not using the characters that other people wanted me to play, I'd be receiving a full refund immediately from Blizzard. Hopefully everyone that gets banned is smart enough to do the same.

You'd have your refund denied.

Go to quick play

Why?

I swear people who want to argue about this are the same people who use their phones or whatever in movie theaters and justify it by saying they bought a ticket too.

Because everybody else playing on your team bought the game too and may want to take competitive seriously. If you want to play for fun and still do the objectives, just go to quickplay where it's more loose in team comp. It's true there's people who take it too seriously with any off meta pick in comp, but don't let one toxic person be the voice for everybody else.
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LJRENEGADE posted...

Never played Overwatch but that sounds lame. imo, they should either change the game itself so everyone can't pick the same character or just let it be the way it is. People shouldn't be banned and punished for wanting to play as the character they want or simply sucking.

Besides, if people want good teamwork, they should party up with friends anyway. I don't think I've ever seen a shooter where randoms communicated and had good teamwork.

There's a quickplay option for people who just want to have fun and learn new characters. Basically the same as competitive in gameplay, just not rank points. Quickplay has shorter queue times and shorter rounds since you don't take turns defense and offense against the same team. They can also leave whenever they want if they don't get to pick their character with no penalty.
People also don't get as mad with off meta picks in this game mode.
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FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

OctilIery posted...

FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

OctilIery posted...

Gimmick posted...

If I got banned from playing an online only game just for not using the characters that other people wanted me to play, I'd be receiving a full refund immediately from Blizzard. Hopefully everyone that gets banned is smart enough to do the same.

You'd have your refund denied.

Go to quick play

Why?

I swear people who want to argue about this are the same people who use their phones or whatever in movie theaters and justify it by saying they bought a ticket too.

Because everybody else playing on your team bought the game too and may want to take competitive seriously. If you want to play for fun and still do the objectives, just go to quickplay where it's more loose in team comp. It's true there's people who take it too seriously with any off meta pick in comp, but don't let one toxic person be the voice for everybody else.

I'm. Not arguing for or against anything, I'm saying there's no chance you'll get a refund after getting banned.