Current Events > First openly transgender person elected, seated in a U.S. statehouse

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CiIantro 11/08/17 12:07:32 AM #1:	+Republicans lost both governor races today. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/danica-roem-virginia-transgender/index.html Roem told Cosmopolitan in September that she views her gender identity as a strength. "The message that I can succeed because of my gender, not despite it, because of who I am without being afraid of who I am is a human message," Roem said in the September interview with Cosmopolitan. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889976776] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>+Republicans lost both governor races today. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/danica-roem-virginia-transgender/index.html Roem told Cosmopolitan in September that she views her gender identity as a strength. "The message that I can succeed because of my gender, not despite it, because of who I am without being afraid of who I am is a human message," Roem said in the September interview with Cosmopolitan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:07:54 AM #2:	https://tinyurl.com/y6w3zsxg <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889976799] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>https://tinyurl.com/y6w3zsxg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 11/08/17 12:08:52 AM #3:	LOL it was true --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:889976859] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>LOL it was true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 11/08/17 12:09:24 AM #4:	That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:889976882] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stone 11/08/17 12:09:44 AM #5:	popcorn --- PONG WAS REAL? I thought that was just a story parents told kids to scare them <cite>stone posted [p:889976897] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>popcorn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
N3xtG3nGam3r 11/08/17 12:11:19 AM #6:	Virginia of all places too. You would think it'd happen in more liberal progressive states first before anywhere else. Unless I'm missing something about Virginia...but I thought they were more sided towards conservative republican, right? --- ASUS B-150 Gaming MoBo\| Intel CORE i5 6500k @ 3.5GHz \| 32GB DDR4 \| 2TB HDD \| 600w PSU \| nVidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB GDDR5-X <cite>N3xtG3nGam3r posted [p:889976973] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>Virginia of all places too. You would think it'd happen in more liberal progressive states first before anywhere else. Unless I'm missing something about Virginia...but I thought they were more sided towards conservative republican, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:11:37 AM #7:	How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889976986] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:11:41 AM #8:	Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889976996] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
N3xtG3nGam3r 11/08/17 12:12:24 AM #9:	Obligatory "we have had a tranny in the White House as First Lady already" comment. Lol. --- ASUS B-150 Gaming MoBo\| Intel CORE i5 6500k @ 3.5GHz \| 32GB DDR4 \| 2TB HDD \| 600w PSU \| nVidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB GDDR5-X <cite>N3xtG3nGam3r posted [p:889977022] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>Obligatory "we have had a tranny in the White House as First Lady already" comment. Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 11/08/17 12:13:29 AM #10:	CiIantro posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:889977073] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:13:29 AM #11:	FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977074] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaPillow 11/08/17 12:16:28 AM #12:	He's probably very smart and earned it --- Psn: An_Axe_Murderer 360: An Axe Murd3r3r 3ds friend code: 3067 6981 0482 plz add me <cite>OmegaPillow posted [p:889977217] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 11/08/17 12:17:05 AM #13:	Dash_Harber posted... CiIantro posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win? Ask Trump supporters --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:889977243] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win?</quote> Ask Trump supporters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:17:18 AM #14:	OmegaPillow posted... He's probably very smart and earned it low quality bait <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977258] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaPillow posted...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> low quality bait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hey 11/08/17 12:18:59 AM #15:	CiIantro posted... OmegaPillow posted... He's probably very smart and earned it low quality bait isn't that your entire gimmick --- You betta watch out, you betta not cry, you betta not pout im telling you why Here we go Steelers, here we go, Pittsburghs goin to the Super Bowl! Hey Day 5-10 <cite>Hey posted [p:889977344] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaPillow posted...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> low quality bait</quote> isn't that your entire gimmick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:19:37 AM #16:	Samurontai posted... Dash_Harber posted... CiIantro posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win? Ask Trump supporters LMAO 10/10 <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977376] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> To be fair, does anyone really want a politician that is so bad at arguing that they literally have to resort to name calling to win?</quote> Ask Trump supporters</quote> LMAO 10/10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaPillow 11/08/17 12:19:37 AM #17:	CiIantro posted... OmegaPillow posted... He's probably very smart and earned it low quality bait What --- Psn: An_Axe_Murderer 360: An Axe Murd3r3r 3ds friend code: 3067 6981 0482 plz add me <cite>OmegaPillow posted [p:889977377] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaPillow posted...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> low quality bait</quote> What</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:20:14 AM #18:	Hey posted... CiIantro posted... OmegaPillow posted... He's probably very smart and earned it low quality bait isn't that your entire gimmick Nah, my bait is high quality. It is the Ferrari of CE shit. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977406] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaPillow posted...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> low quality bait</quote> isn't that your entire gimmick</quote> Nah, my bait is high quality. It is the Ferrari of CE shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/08/17 12:20:25 AM #19:	OmegaPillow posted... He's probably very smart and earned it Lmao bitter --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889977414] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaPillow posted...</cite> <quote>He's probably very smart and earned it</quote> Lmao bitter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306 11/08/17 12:21:11 AM #20:	sometimes the good guys win --- http://rateyourmusic.com/~bevan http://i.imgur.com/5Ta28.jpg <cite>bevan306 posted [p:889977455] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>sometimes the good guys win</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 11/08/17 12:21:30 AM #21:	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOFHRPdVoAEWcYx.jpg Sorry, this pic is awesome. It's a good night, but this is sweet poetic justice. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:889977473] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOFHRPdVoAEWcYx.jpg Sorry, this pic is awesome. It's a good night, but this is sweet poetic justice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 11/08/17 12:21:53 AM #22:	No comment --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:889977492] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>No comment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:22:10 AM #23:	CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? The quote says the success was "because of" gender. And is it really that impressive? Virginia is a liberal state IIRC, and being transgender got Caitlyn Jenner awards like crazy, no? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889977509] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? The quote says the success was "because of" gender. And is it really that impressive? Virginia is a liberal state IIRC, and being transgender got Caitlyn Jenner awards like crazy, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaPillow 11/08/17 12:23:43 AM #24:	So many people butthurt off my positive comments for no reason LOL --- Psn: An_Axe_Murderer 360: An Axe Murd3r3r 3ds friend code: 3067 6981 0482 plz add me <cite>OmegaPillow posted [p:889977587] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>So many people butthurt off my positive comments for no reason LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:27:03 AM #25:	In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889977754] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:27:04 AM #26:	FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977756] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement?</quote> I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:27:59 AM #27:	FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889977804] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:28:07 AM #28:	FLUFFYGERM posted... In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters. You sound like Kellyanne Conway. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977816] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters.</quote> You sound like Kellyanne Conway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:29:24 AM #29:	CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won. Why would you cut out most of the post and then respond as if nothing happened? Lmao troll <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889977872] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement?</quote> I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won.</quote> Why would you cut out most of the post and then respond as if nothing happened? Lmao troll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:29:57 AM #30:	FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won. Why would you cut out most of the post and then respond as if nothing happened? Lmao troll wut Are you for real? <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889977901] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement?</quote> I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won.</quote> Why would you cut out most of the post and then respond as if nothing happened? Lmao troll</quote> wut Are you for real?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:30:53 AM #31:	FLUFFYGERM posted... In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters. You have to highlight something before you can normalize it. She didn't win because of her identity, but she still won and that is a milestone worth celebrating even if she fails. I hope she doesn't though, because then people will erroneously take it as a statement against future trans candidates. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889977945] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters.</quote> You have to highlight something before you can normalize it. She didn't win because of her identity, but she still won and that is a milestone worth celebrating even if she fails. I hope she doesn't though, because then people will erroneously take it as a statement against future trans candidates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:31:02 AM #32:	hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889977952] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:34:13 AM #33:	hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters. You have to highlight something before you can normalize it. She didn't win because of her identity, but she still won and that is a milestone worth celebrating even if she fails. I hope she doesn't though, because then people will erroneously take it as a statement against future trans candidates. From the first post: Roem told Cosmopolitan in September that she views her gender identity as a strength. "The message that I can succeed because of my gender, not despite it, because of who I am without being afraid of who I am is a human message," Roem said in the September interview with Cosmopolitan. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889978107] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>In any case, it's unfortunate people are celebrating this being the first transgender win, rather than celebrating whatever policies the candidate supports. I've been seeing more people treat this as a milestone of some kind, or another box to check off for progressivism, without bothering to look at whether or not someone good was elected. It's like how the DNC was so desperate to get the first female president that they bent Bernie over. People have been trained to strive for and celebrate immutable characteristics and labels rather than what really matters.</quote> You have to highlight something before you can normalize it. She didn't win because of her identity, but she still won and that is a milestone worth celebrating even if she fails. I hope she doesn't though, because then people will erroneously take it as a statement against future trans candidates.</quote> From the first post: Roem told Cosmopolitan in September that she views her gender identity as a strength. "The message that I can succeed because of my gender, not despite it, because of who I am without being afraid of who I am is a human message," Roem said in the September interview with Cosmopolitan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:34:25 AM #34:	FLUFFYGERM posted... hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889978113] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:34:49 AM #35:	FLUFFYGERM posted... hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says. It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889978132] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says.</quote> It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 11/08/17 12:34:52 AM #36:	CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won. But she said she succeeded because of her her gender, not despite it. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:889978135] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement?</quote> I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won.</quote> But she said she succeeded because of her her gender, not despite it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:35:55 AM #37:	hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says. It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist. holy fuck how many times do i have to repeat what the first post said <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889978176] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says.</quote> It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist.</quote> holy fuck how many times do i have to repeat what the first post said</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:36:32 AM #38:	shnangyboos posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... CiIantro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity. But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement? I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won. But she said she succeeded because of her her gender, not despite it. Fine, she succeeded because people recognize that she has become stronger BECAUSE she is transgender. Have I simplified it enough for you people to understand yet? Jesus Christ, I hope you guys are just trolling. If not, go back to grade school and learn to read and infer meaning. <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889978201] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>shnangyboos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Because she inspires people by showing that she stands up for herself and her values, and perseveres in the face of adversity. Whether or not you agree with them, it is a fact that being transgender in today's society is not easy. The fact that she has accomplished what she has is impressive and says a lot about her tenacity.</quote> But how did gender have anything to do with the achievement?</quote> I literally just explained it. Transgender=uphill battle, but she succeeded in spite of that. We get it bro, you are conservative and are pissed she won.</quote> But she said she succeeded because of her her gender, not despite it.</quote> Fine, she succeeded because people recognize that she has become stronger BECAUSE she is transgender. Have I simplified it enough for you people to understand yet? Jesus Christ, I hope you guys are just trolling. If not, go back to grade school and learn to read and infer meaning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/08/17 12:40:03 AM #39:	Only on Gamefaqs can you find a TC who is attacking someone else's reading comprehension even though he was obviously illiterate the entire time. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889978348] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>Only on Gamefaqs can you find a TC who is attacking someone else's reading comprehension even though he was obviously illiterate the entire time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 11/08/17 12:40:39 AM #40:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Only on Gamefaqs can you find a TC who is attacking someone else's reading comprehension even though he was obviously illiterate the entire time. k <cite>CiIantro posted [p:889978379] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Only on Gamefaqs can you find a TC who is attacking someone else's reading comprehension even though he was obviously illiterate the entire time.</quote> k</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:41:31 AM #41:	FLUFFYGERM posted... hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... hockeybub89 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender? Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark. So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says. It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist. holy fuck how many times do i have to repeat what the first post said The post of yours I replied to ask how one could succeed or not succeed because of their gender. I am telling you it's been proven easily in human history that you can not succeed due to your immutable characterisrics. Conversely, that would mean others could succeed due to those more favorable characteristics. As for Roem's quote, I take that more of her just succeeding in spite of being trans and that she refuses to not be herself. That is what resonates with people. You act as her story is unique to trans people in 21st Century and not an inspirational story as old as civilization. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889978420] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>How does one succeed or not succeed on the basis of gender or "because of" gender?</quote> Hmm I wonder how public perceptions of a group of people could affect their success in society. It's not like trans people are still viewed as deviant, delusional people by a significant portion of the population and that politicians are still pushing laws that discriminate against them. I mean, her opponent literally attempted to use her existence as a trans person as a smear campaign. This might be the most ignorant thing you have ever posted and I half hope you are being deliberately disingenuous. I swear I've seen you agree with arguments about how men face disadvantages to women in some areas, yet now you make this genius remark.</quote> So how does that explain the idea that someone wins because of their gender? How does gender cause someone to succeed? That's what the quote in the first post says.</quote> It might not cause them to succeed, but it can definitely cause them to fail. Unless you're going to pretend human history just doesn't exist.</quote> holy fuck how many times do i have to repeat what the first post said</quote> The post of yours I replied to ask how one could succeed or not succeed because of their gender. I am telling you it's been proven easily in human history that you can not succeed due to your immutable characterisrics. Conversely, that would mean others could succeed due to those more favorable characteristics. As for Roem's quote, I take that more of her just succeeding in spite of being trans and that she refuses to not be herself. That is what resonates with people. You act as her story is unique to trans people in 21st Century and not an inspirational story as old as civilization.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerKhan420 11/08/17 12:45:25 AM #42:	His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right --- "I know how the business works because I'm a wrestling fan"-hulkhogan1 <cite>KillerKhan420 posted [p:889978599] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote>His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:47:27 AM #43:	KillerKhan420 posted... His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right I imagine her first thing is the roads she heavily campaigned on. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889978705] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right</quote> I imagine her first thing is the roads she heavily campaigned on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 11/08/17 12:47:28 AM #44:	KillerKhan420 posted... His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right you mean his last order? because he's a spiteful douche? --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Act now! Venchmen are standing by for your orders! <cite>Medussa posted [p:889978706] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>His first order, bathrooms because it's so important right</quote> you mean his last order? because he's a spiteful douche?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 11/08/17 12:47:32 AM #45:	CiIantro posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. Was the opponent a Nazi? <cite>muchdran posted [p:889978710] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> Was the opponent a Nazi?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/08/17 12:48:18 AM #46:	muchdran posted... CiIantro posted... Dash_Harber posted... That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong. Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems. Was the opponent a Nazi? No, just an old ballsack --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889978744] in First open... [t:75967603]...</cite> <quote><cite>muchdran posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>That's good. I have no idea if she is a good choice or if she will turn out well, but if this represents a step towards more inclusive governments, than I'm glad. I don't understand why someone would limit their talent pool based on arbitrary reasons that are easily proven wrong.</quote> Her opponent made the fact that she was transgender one of the focal points of his campaign. Voters werent buying into his bigotry, it seems.</quote> Was the opponent a Nazi?</quote> No, just an old ballsack</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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