Current Events > Abortion Question: Which of these would you save from a fire?

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addled 10/26/17 1:00:43 PM #52:	Wouldn't the test tubes be in some special machine to keep them cold. Wouldn't you need special equipment to get them out safely? The baby take less time and would be easier to find in an emergency. I read this earlier this week. It supposed to be the best argument for pro-abortion I believe. Isn't the same as: Say you are in a hospital fire you can only save an elderly patient or the kid visiting them, if you choose to save the kid does that make you pro-euthanasia? --- Practice random acts of mindlessness. <cite>addled posted [p:889186814] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't the test tubes be in some special machine to keep them cold. Wouldn't you need special equipment to get them out safely? The baby take less time and would be easier to find in an emergency. I read this earlier this week. It supposed to be the best argument for pro-abortion I believe. Isn't the same as: Say you are in a hospital fire you can only save an elderly patient or the kid visiting them, if you choose to save the kid does that make you pro-euthanasia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/26/17 1:00:49 PM #53:	eston posted... That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options. And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889186818] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options.</quote> And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 10/26/17 1:01:30 PM #54:	This hypothetical was already laughed off of twitter. Choosing the baby doesn't mean the embryos aren't also human life. Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889186858] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>This hypothetical was already laughed off of twitter. Choosing the baby doesn't mean the embryos aren't also human life. Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 10/26/17 1:02:51 PM #55:	JoeyBowey posted... This hypothetical was already laughed off of twitter. Except it wasn't The only people who seem to think it was are pro lifers like you who can't actually answer the question without bringing up more questions --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:889186940] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>This hypothetical was already laughed off of twitter.</quote> Except it wasn't The only people who seem to think it was are pro lifers like you who can't actually answer the question without bringing up more questions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/26/17 1:03:31 PM #56:	A 1 year old is pretty helpless and can't do anything to save themselves. An 80 year is not necessarily completely defenseless and can do things to help save themselves. Not really a good comparison. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:889186985] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>A 1 year old is pretty helpless and can't do anything to save themselves. An 80 year is not necessarily completely defenseless and can do things to help save themselves. Not really a good comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 10/26/17 1:03:35 PM #57:	Would you save your girlfriend or your porn? --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:889186988] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>Would you save your girlfriend or your porn?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 10/26/17 1:04:48 PM #58:	Mal_Fet posted... eston posted... That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options. And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting. And the point of the question was not to decide whether either of them is worth saving. It was about which one gets priority in a situation where you can only save one. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:889187064] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options.</quote> And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting.</quote> And the point of the question was not to decide whether either of them is worth saving. It was about which one gets priority in a situation where you can only save one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/26/17 1:05:17 PM #59:	JoeyBowey posted... Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights. The fact that people wouldn't save a thousand fetuses does mean, however, that they are not the same thing as an actual baby. And I'm glad we can all acknowledge that now. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:889187093] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights.</quote> The fact that people wouldn't save a thousand fetuses does mean, however, that they are not the same thing as an actual baby. And I'm glad we can all acknowledge that now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 10/26/17 1:08:09 PM #61:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... dave_is_slick posted... Mal_Fet posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Mal_Fet posted... So since we know most people would rather save their dog from a fire than an adult stranger, does that mean doggos are inherently more valuable than people? You know the dog. Who the hell is that guy? I dunno, who the hell is the baby in the OP An actual developed life. Right. Just like the adult stranger in my example. Family members always take precedent before strangers. A pet dog is a family member. Ok, what if one of the 1000 fetuses was yours? You would save your family member before the stranger's baby, then? If one of the test-tubes was mine, of course I would save the test tubes. However, that wasn't a parameter. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889187261] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>So since we know most people would rather save their dog from a fire than an adult stranger, does that mean doggos are inherently more valuable than people?</quote> You know the dog. Who the hell is that guy?</quote> I dunno, who the hell is the baby in the OP</quote> An actual developed life.</quote> Right. Just like the adult stranger in my example.</quote> Family members always take precedent before strangers. A pet dog is a family member.</quote> Ok, what if one of the 1000 fetuses was yours? You would save your family member before the stranger's baby, then?</quote> If one of the test-tubes was mine, of course I would save the test tubes. However, that wasn't a parameter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/26/17 1:09:22 PM #62:	Turbam posted... Would you save your girlfriend or your porn? Who collects porn anymore? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:889187339] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Turbam posted...</cite> <quote>Would you save your girlfriend or your porn?</quote> Who collects porn anymore?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/26/17 1:09:45 PM #63:	eston posted... Mal_Fet posted... eston posted... That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options. And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting. And the point of the question was not to decide whether either of them is worth saving. It was about which one gets priority in a situation where you can only save one. I think most people agree that already-born people get priority. Kind of like how most pro-life people think it's ok for a pregnant woman to get life-saving chemotherapy even though it will probably kill her baby. It's still not an argument that unborn children aren't worth protecting when not in a life or death situation. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889187364] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>That's because the post you made was an irrelevant tangent. Your dog isn't there. The choice is between a baby or 1000 embryos. Two options.</quote> And most people would obviously choose to save the baby. The point of my questions is to show that choosing to save a baby is in no way an admission that fetuses aren't worth protecting.</quote> And the point of the question was not to decide whether either of them is worth saving. It was about which one gets priority in a situation where you can only save one.</quote> I think most people agree that already-born people get priority. Kind of like how most pro-life people think it's ok for a pregnant woman to get life-saving chemotherapy even though it will probably kill her baby. It's still not an argument that unborn children aren't worth protecting when not in a life or death situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 10/26/17 1:12:27 PM #64:	Asherlee10 posted... There is a difference between a viable human and a fertilized egg in a dish. The 1 year old and the 80 year old are both viable humans. The fertilized egg in a dish is not. Well that's a moot point because the "abortion question" isn't about eggs in a dish. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889187550] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>There is a difference between a viable human and a fertilized egg in a dish. The 1 year old and the 80 year old are both viable humans. The fertilized egg in a dish is not.</quote> Well that's a moot point because the "abortion question" isn't about eggs in a dish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 10/26/17 1:13:13 PM #65:	Mal_Fet posted... I think most people agree that babies get priority over anything else. Lind of like how most pro-life people think it's ok for a pregnant woman to get life-saving chemotherapy even though it will probably kill her baby. That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. But in practice, saving the baby over the embryos is the obvious choice. That's because everyone knows they are not equivalent. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:889187594] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I think most people agree that babies get priority over anything else. Lind of like how most pro-life people think it's ok for a pregnant woman to get life-saving chemotherapy even though it will probably kill her baby.</quote> That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. But in practice, saving the baby over the embryos is the obvious choice. That's because everyone knows they are not equivalent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JoeyBowey 10/26/17 1:21:39 PM #67:	Asherlee10 posted... JoeyBowey posted... Asherlee10 posted... There is a difference between a viable human and a fertilized egg in a dish. The 1 year old and the 80 year old are both viable humans. The fertilized egg in a dish is not. Well that's a moot point because the "abortion question" isn't about eggs in a dish. That's what a "test tube fetus" would be referring to. That's not an equivalent to a mother carrying a fetus. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889188089] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>There is a difference between a viable human and a fertilized egg in a dish. The 1 year old and the 80 year old are both viable humans. The fertilized egg in a dish is not.</quote> Well that's a moot point because the "abortion question" isn't about eggs in a dish.</quote> That's what a "test tube fetus" would be referring to.</quote> That's not an equivalent to a mother carrying a fetus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 10/26/17 1:24:51 PM #69:	eston posted... That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. No it isn't, because that would mean an adult somehow doesn't count as life since most people would also save the baby given a choice between the two. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889188312] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. </quote> No it isn't, because that would mean an adult somehow doesn't count as life since most people would also save the baby given a choice between the two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 10/26/17 1:27:21 PM #70:	Asherlee10 posted... What are you trying to convey here? I'm not following. OP says "1000 test tube fetuses." Fetuses are not what's in test tubes. It's fertilized eggs in a dish, as has previously been discussed. Either way a fetus != viable baby I couldn't have been more clear. The TC is trying to demonstrate that ones choice is an indicator of the abortion debate, when as you just highlighted, a fertilized egg is not the equivalent to a fetus. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889188470] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> What are you trying to convey here? I'm not following. OP says "1000 test tube fetuses." Fetuses are not what's in test tubes. It's fertilized eggs in a dish, as has previously been discussed. Either way a fetus != viable baby</quote> I couldn't have been more clear. The TC is trying to demonstrate that ones choice is an indicator of the abortion debate, when as you just highlighted, a fertilized egg is not the equivalent to a fetus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 10/26/17 1:33:25 PM #71:	Mal_Fet posted... eston posted... That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. No it isn't, because that would mean an adult somehow doesn't count as life since most people would also save the baby given a choice between the two. Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:889188841] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>That's the point he was making. Pro-life people claim that life begins at conception, and that's why abortion is wrong. If that's the case, then 1000 lives are most definitely worth more than 1. </quote> No it isn't, because that would mean an adult somehow doesn't count as life since most people would also save the baby given a choice between the two.</quote> Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/26/17 1:47:34 PM #72:	eston posted... Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life. And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889189666] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life.</quote> And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/26/17 1:54:58 PM #73:	XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:889190112] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/26/17 2:00:24 PM #74:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself? He's being intellectually dishonest so he can act superior to pro-choicers. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:889190482] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself?</quote> He's being intellectually dishonest so he can act superior to pro-choicers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/26/17 2:00:40 PM #75:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself? Got em --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889190504] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself?</quote> Got em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 10/26/17 2:01:52 PM #76:	Mal_Fet posted... eston posted... Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life. And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing. It means they are not equal, which they would be if life really begins at conception. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:889190572] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life.</quote> And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing.</quote> It means they are not equal, which they would be if life really begins at conception.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/26/17 2:04:11 PM #77:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself? Got em You're attempting to got em? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:889190728] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>XD...what the actual fuck is mal attempting to do in this topic if not embarrass himself?</quote> Got em</quote> You're attempting to got em?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/26/17 2:20:02 PM #78:	Mal_Fet in this topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXpqMSNevE --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:889191691] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>Mal_Fet in this topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXpqMSNevE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 10/26/17 2:21:29 PM #79:	That_Happened posted... Mal_Fet in most topics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXpqMSNevE Fixed for accuracy --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:889191784] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>Mal_Fet in most topics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXXpqMSNevE</quote> Fixed for accuracy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/26/17 2:32:00 PM #80:	eston posted... Mal_Fet posted... eston posted... Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life. And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing. It means they are not equal, which they would be if life really begins at conception. Saying they aren't equal is not the same as saying fetuses aren't alive. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889192420] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Thats not true either. Most people would choose the baby over the adult because A) the baby realistically has no way of saving itself, and B) most adults would not expect you to save them instead of the baby. It does not mean the adult doesn't count as a life.</quote> And just because someone would rather save a baby than a bunch of undeveloped human fetuses does not mean the fetuses don't count as life either. Thanks for playing.</quote> It means they are not equal, which they would be if life really begins at conception.</quote> Saying they aren't equal is not the same as saying fetuses aren't alive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/27/17 12:21:25 PM #82:	JoeyBowey posted... Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights. The one-year-old is going to be easy to carry out without endangering yourself much more. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:889251709] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>Who would you save, a 1 year old or an 80 year old? Just because you would save the 1 year old doesn't mean the 80 year old is not a human entitled to rights.</quote> The one-year-old is going to be easy to carry out without endangering yourself much more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 10/27/17 12:23:17 PM #83:	Asherlee10 posted... No, you could be a lot clearer. What does that have to do with your original post? You don't seem to know the difference between a fertilized egg and a fetus, and further, a viable human. See below. I have no idea what you're even whining about. The point is, this hypothetical isn't a good analogy for abortion. What issue do you have that makes you unable to grasp that? <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889251821] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>No, you could be a lot clearer. What does that have to do with your original post? You don't seem to know the difference between a fertilized egg and a fetus, and further, a viable human. See below.</quote> I have no idea what you're even whining about. The point is, this hypothetical isn't a good analogy for abortion. What issue do you have that makes you unable to grasp that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JoeyBowey 10/27/17 12:59:35 PM #85:	Asherlee10 posted... What about it makes it not a good analogy? And you can check the attitude. It's just a discussion. lol attitude? You have now on several occasions accused me of not knowing the difference between a fertilized egg and a fetus when none of my points would suggest that. As far as why it's not a good analogy that's already been covered in detail including my first post which you just quoted. Not choosing to save the embryos doesn't mean they do not constitute human life/don't have rights. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889253929] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> What about it makes it not a good analogy? And you can check the attitude. It's just a discussion.</quote> lol attitude? You have now on several occasions accused me of not knowing the difference between a fertilized egg and a fetus when none of my points would suggest that. As far as why it's not a good analogy that's already been covered in detail including my first post which you just quoted. Not choosing to save the embryos doesn't mean they do not constitute human life/don't have rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Top Crusader 10/27/17 1:05:43 PM #86:	I'm generally pro-life and my daughter is a product of IVF, but... there aren't fetuses in test tubes or any such thing. >_> They implant the embryo after around a week, plenty of embryos just don't "take," while I'm sure some extreme pro-life people think all embryos should be saved, everyone in my little life circle realizes that until it implants in the uterus and starts growing, that while it's POTENTIAL life and we aren't going to just throw embryos down the toilet, they aren't yet human life. It's why many pro-life people are okay with the morning after pill, it's not really killing anything, its just preventing the possibility of something happening. (that said, I know how valuable those embryos are, both monetarily and what they represent emotionally to who they belong to, so I'll try to save both. And the family dog. But HA! The adult stranger can stay and burn!) --- -- - <cite>The Top Crusader posted [p:889254288] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote>I'm generally pro-life and my daughter is a product of IVF, but... there aren't fetuses in test tubes or any such thing. >_> They implant the embryo after around a week, plenty of embryos just don't "take," while I'm sure some extreme pro-life people think all embryos should be saved, everyone in my little life circle realizes that until it implants in the uterus and starts growing, that while it's POTENTIAL life and we aren't going to just throw embryos down the toilet, they aren't yet human life. It's why many pro-life people are okay with the morning after pill, it's not really killing anything, its just preventing the possibility of something happening. (that said, I know how valuable those embryos are, both monetarily and what they represent emotionally to who they belong to, so I'll try to save both. And the family dog. But HA! The adult stranger can stay and burn!)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/27/17 1:07:20 PM #87:	Questionmarktarius posted... The sad reality is that the test tube babies are likely worth a hell of a lot more money, each, than the actual baby. For sure, which is why you only "save" 800 or so... you totally couldn't get those other 200 and don't bother looking for them in the trunk of my car either. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:889254365] in Abortion Q... [t:75921908]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>The sad reality is that the test tube babies are likely worth a hell of a lot more money, each, than the actual baby.</quote> For sure, which is why you only "save" 800 or so... you totally couldn't get those other 200 and don't bother looking for them in the trunk of my car either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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