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Fossil 10/23/17 12:15:11 PM #1:	"President Donald Trump said there will not be changes to tax-deferred retirement savings plans under his proposed tax plan, shooting down reports that House Republicans were considering tweaking or capping one of the most popular breaks. There will be NO change to your 401(k), Trump said Monday on Twitter. This has always been a great and popular middle class tax break that works, and it stays! https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/trump-says-no-changes-to-401-k-plans-under-tax-proposal/ar-AAtWgVK b-b-bu dem repubbies said de would tak me monies! --- http://i.imgtc.com/fHHz9y2.png <cite>Fossil posted [p:888977810] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><quote>"President Donald Trump said there will not be changes to tax-deferred retirement savings plans under his proposed tax plan, shooting down reports that House Republicans were considering tweaking or capping one of the most popular breaks. There will be NO change to your 401(k), Trump said Monday on Twitter. This has always been a great and popular middle class tax break that works, and it stays!</quote> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/trump-says-no-changes-to-401-k-plans-under-tax-proposal/ar-AAtWgVK b-b-bu dem repubbies said de would tak me monies!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/23/17 12:15:50 PM #2:	Well, if Trump said it, I guess he must be telling the truth. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:888977837] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>Well, if Trump said it, I guess he must be telling the truth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 10/23/17 12:17:46 PM #3:	So it's basically confirmed to happen now. Great. --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:888977937] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>So it's basically confirmed to happen now. Great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/23/17 12:19:27 PM #4:	i'd be more inclined to believe it if he were threatening to veto a bill that contained such language that would explain why IWM is down today though --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888978018] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>i'd be more inclined to believe it if he were threatening to veto a bill that contained such language that would explain why IWM is down today though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/23/17 12:19:43 PM #5:	So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:888978036] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 10/23/17 12:20:08 PM #6:	I believe that like I believe Mexico is going to pay for the wall. --- I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you. PSN-Bishop9800 <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:888978064] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>I believe that like I believe Mexico is going to pay for the wall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/23/17 12:26:13 PM #7:	s0nicfan posted... Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? that game is called 'understanding context and inferences' and yes we are "playing" that game. every day, with every person, for the rest of our lives. the only reason the outcome seems so poor for trump is he sucks at it. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888978418] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? </quote> that game is called 'understanding context and inferences' and yes we are "playing" that game. every day, with every person, for the rest of our lives. the only reason the outcome seems so poor for trump is he sucks at it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/23/17 12:29:40 PM #8:	s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? I mean, you could choose to live your life following incredibly dumbed down axioms like this. Or you could apply context to situations instead of desperately grasping for a gotcha. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:888978619] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite?</quote> I mean, you could choose to live your life following incredibly dumbed down axioms like this. Or you could apply context to situations instead of desperately grasping for a gotcha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/23/17 12:31:45 PM #9:	Anteaterking posted... s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? I mean, you could choose to live your life following incredibly dumbed down axioms like this. Or you could apply context to situations instead of desperately grasping for a gotcha. So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie? EDIT: That question is for @Darkman124 as well --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:888978733] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite?</quote> I mean, you could choose to live your life following incredibly dumbed down axioms like this. Or you could apply context to situations instead of desperately grasping for a gotcha.</quote> So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie? EDIT: That question is for @Darkman124 as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 10/23/17 12:35:12 PM #11:	s0nicfan posted... So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie? because the rumor originated from lawmakers who clearly have seen the bill and want it subject to criticism before the bill comes out and they're forced to vote up or down on it--not the ether--and his response is damage control, and is notably lacking in promises to veto such legislation if it landed on his desk lying as part of damage control is a visible pattern within his administration, such that when we see him making a potentially false statement as damage control, past history leads us to assume it's a lie --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888978946] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie?</quote> because the rumor originated from lawmakers who clearly have seen the bill and want it subject to criticism before the bill comes out and they're forced to vote up or down on it--not the ether--and his response is damage control, and is notably lacking in promises to veto such legislation if it landed on his desk lying as part of damage control is a visible pattern within his administration, such that when we see him making a potentially false statement as damage control, past history leads us to assume it's a lie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/23/17 12:37:31 PM #12:	Darkman124 posted... s0nicfan posted... So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie? because the rumor originated from lawmakers and his response is damage control, and is notably lacking in promises to veto such legislation if it landed on his desk Under what context can you interpret his exact words: There will be NO change to your 401(k)" to mean that he wouldn't veto legislation that landed on his desk. If legislation lands on his desk, and he signs it, and it changes our 401Ks... that's pretty blatantly the opposite of what he said. Even if it's damage control and they decided to back off of the idea, the ONLY way to interpret that his completely unambiguous words as proof he's going to do the opposite is by a contrived situation that would still violate his statement. It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:888979098] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote> So apply some context for me, here. A rumor spread that a tax plan was going to change 401Ks, and Trump has come out directly saying with no ambiguity that it won't. So why are we assuming in this instance it's a lie?</quote> because the rumor originated from lawmakers and his response is damage control, and is notably lacking in promises to veto such legislation if it landed on his desk</quote> Under what context can you interpret his exact words: There will be NO change to your 401(k)" to mean that he wouldn't veto legislation that landed on his desk. If legislation lands on his desk, and he signs it, and it changes our 401Ks... that's pretty blatantly the opposite of what he said. Even if it's damage control and they decided to back off of the idea, the ONLY way to interpret that his completely unambiguous words as proof he's going to do the opposite is by a contrived situation that would still violate his statement. It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OpheliaAdenade 10/23/17 12:38:56 PM #14:	what about my 401b plan? D: --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:888979172] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>what about my 401b plan? D:</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/23/17 12:41:52 PM #15:	s0nicfan posted... It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad. his statement is not controversial his statement is suspect of being a lie, because similar statements have been lies in the past using stronger language that defines an action on his part in response to such a bill would mean a greater investment of political capital. the president's power to veto is a power to pressure capital hill. if he is publicly threatening the GOP, he is actually coming to bat for voters, rather than providing damage control for his party. in such a scenario, lying about his intent would be far more destructive for him than his present statement, and the most rational conclusion would be that while he has lied many times before, this time he's serious, because there's too much to lose. he's not putting enough on the line with this statement for voters to trust that it is different from his present pattern of lies when attempting damage control. granted, for many, nothing is enough to overcome the past history and the worst will always be assumed, but i am more generous than that. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888979358] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad.</quote> his statement is not controversial his statement is suspect of being a lie, because similar statements have been lies in the past using stronger language that defines an action on his part in response to such a bill would mean a greater investment of political capital. the president's power to veto is a power to pressure capital hill. if he is publicly threatening the GOP, he is actually coming to bat for voters, rather than providing damage control for his party. in such a scenario, lying about his intent would be far more destructive for him than his present statement, and the most rational conclusion would be that while he has lied many times before, this time he's serious, because there's too much to lose. he's not putting enough on the line with this statement for voters to trust that it is different from his present pattern of lies when attempting damage control. granted, for many, nothing is enough to overcome the past history and the worst will always be assumed, but i am more generous than that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/23/17 12:42:23 PM #16:	Can't wait for those tax cuts to pass. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:888979395] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>Can't wait for those tax cuts to pass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/23/17 12:45:24 PM #18:	Darkman124 posted... s0nicfan posted... It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad. his statement is not controversial his statement is suspect of being a lie, because similar statements have been lies in the past using stronger language that defines an action on his part in response to such a bill would mean a greater investment of political capital. the president's power to veto is a power to pressure capital hill. if he is publicly threatening the GOP, he is actually coming to bat for voters, rather than providing damage control for his party. in such a scenario, lying about his intent would be far more destructive for him than his present statement, and the most rational conclusion would be that while he has lied many times before, this time he's serious, because there's too much to lose. he's not putting enough on the line with this statement for voters to trust that it is different from his present pattern of lies when attempting damage control. We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. The man knows weasel words enough that if he wanted to look good but cover his ass he wouldn't have been so blatant as to say There will be NO change to your 401(k)". That's Bush Sr. "Read my lips" levels of making yourself accountable to the result. I'd say he's putting it ALL on the line because what he said means any change to 401K plans through government action would be in direct contradiction to his statement. If he had been overly specific, like "I won't propose a tax plan that will change your 401Ks" then I'd be in complete agreement with you, because the specificity would exist solely to allow other means of making it happen. In this instance, though, he cast a net too wide to allow for loopholes like that. EDIT: I'm more likely to believe he's willing to commit to not changing the 401K plans because it's populist and he has no problem throwing his own party under the bus than I am likely to believe this is cover for something he personally probably cares very little about knowing that any changes that go into action will have huge negative consequences for his own base. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:888979561] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>It reeks of just looking for a way to turn a non-controversial statement into something bad.</quote> his statement is not controversial his statement is suspect of being a lie, because similar statements have been lies in the past using stronger language that defines an action on his part in response to such a bill would mean a greater investment of political capital. the president's power to veto is a power to pressure capital hill. if he is publicly threatening the GOP, he is actually coming to bat for voters, rather than providing damage control for his party. in such a scenario, lying about his intent would be far more destructive for him than his present statement, and the most rational conclusion would be that while he has lied many times before, this time he's serious, because there's too much to lose. he's not putting enough on the line with this statement for voters to trust that it is different from his present pattern of lies when attempting damage control.</quote> We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. The man knows weasel words enough that if he wanted to look good but cover his ass he wouldn't have been so blatant as to say There will be NO change to your 401(k)". That's Bush Sr. "Read my lips" levels of making yourself accountable to the result. I'd say he's putting it ALL on the line because what he said means any change to 401K plans through government action would be in direct contradiction to his statement. If he had been overly specific, like "I won't propose a tax plan that will change your 401Ks" then I'd be in complete agreement with you, because the specificity would exist solely to allow other means of making it happen. In this instance, though, he cast a net too wide to allow for loopholes like that. EDIT: I'm more likely to believe he's willing to commit to not changing the 401K plans because it's populist and he has no problem throwing his own party under the bus than I am likely to believe this is cover for something he personally probably cares very little about knowing that any changes that go into action will have huge negative consequences for his own base.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sylph 10/23/17 12:45:56 PM #19:	"Oh man, you wouldn't believe how hard it was to get you these new tax cuts. We had to cut off some of the 401k options, but the program has a huge run, a tremendous run, and now it is time for something new!. Who knew taxes were going to be so complicated? Well now we worked out this deal on this great plan, this stupendous plan that will just do amazing things and bring us back from the disastrous tax codes of the Obama times." --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:888979601] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>"Oh man, you wouldn't believe how hard it was to get you these new tax cuts. We had to cut off some of the 401k options, but the program has a huge run, a tremendous run, and now it is time for something new!. Who knew taxes were going to be so complicated? Well now we worked out this deal on this great plan, this stupendous plan that will just do amazing things and bring us back from the disastrous tax codes of the Obama times."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 10/23/17 12:49:45 PM #21:	Bullet_Wing posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Can't wait for those tax cuts to pass. You're probably not gonna notice much difference unless you make over 200k a year, lol. Not like Trump gives a damn about anyone below that. he might be leveraged long on stocks that stand to see a benefit from the cut steve mnuchin seems to think that most of that gain is already priced in though i went long in the late spring and rode the summer highs, then stepped out. missed these more recent higher highs but got a nice 7% return on the trade. will prob go long again if the tax plan stumbles, after markets dive. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888979844] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Can't wait for those tax cuts to pass.</quote> You're probably not gonna notice much difference unless you make over 200k a year, lol. Not like Trump gives a damn about anyone below that.</quote> he might be leveraged long on stocks that stand to see a benefit from the cut steve mnuchin seems to think that most of that gain is already priced in though i went long in the late spring and rode the summer highs, then stepped out. missed these more recent higher highs but got a nice 7% return on the trade. will prob go long again if the tax plan stumbles, after markets dive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 12:51:08 PM #22:	s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar. --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888979940] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 10/23/17 12:51:26 PM #23:	- tax cut for the superwealthy - 401k changes - stupid fucking border wall Which one is going to be cut first? Ill give you a hint. Its the one Trump doesnt care about. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:888979961] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>- tax cut for the superwealthy - 401k changes - stupid fucking border wall Which one is going to be cut first? Ill give you a hint. Its the one Trump doesnt care about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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E32005 10/23/17 12:53:18 PM #26:	itachi15243 posted... So it's basically confirmed to happen now. Great. --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:888980078] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's basically confirmed to happen now. Great.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/23/17 12:53:23 PM #27:	Oh I'd definitely see a difference. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:888980089] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>Oh I'd definitely see a difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 10/23/17 12:54:11 PM #28:	"we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!" --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:888980140] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>"we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 12:55:17 PM #29:	Caution998 posted... "we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!" "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980208] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>"we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!"</quote> "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_MacPhisto 10/23/17 12:56:22 PM #30:	CocteauQuintplt posted... s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar. If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board. --- Off with the horns, On with the show! <cite>Mr_MacPhisto posted [p:888980297] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar.</quote> If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution998 10/23/17 12:57:50 PM #32:	CocteauQuintplt posted... Caution998 posted... "we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!" "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:888980388] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>"we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!"</quote> "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution</quote> I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 12:57:52 PM #33:	Mr_MacPhisto posted... CocteauQuintplt posted... s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar. If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board. I've never shared false information here. So, you are basically admitting to fake news confirmation bias. How was Brietbart today? --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980390] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_MacPhisto posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar.</quote> If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board.</quote> I've never shared false information here. So, you are basically admitting to fake news confirmation bias. How was Brietbart today?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/23/17 12:59:00 PM #34:	Caution998 posted... I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. i think most are not mad at him for this statement we just don't believe him --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888980470] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. </quote> i think most are not mad at him for this statement we just don't believe him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 12:59:14 PM #36:	Caution998 posted... CocteauQuintplt posted... Caution998 posted... "we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!" "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. Yeah, it's such a stretch to hate the most ineffective president of all time, could only do gymnastics to find things to dislike about him! Lol --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980492] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>"we can still hate Trump for coming out and saying this won't happen guys!"</quote> "I found a piece of well-done ribeye up Trump's ass!" - Caution</quote> I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him.</quote> Yeah, it's such a stretch to hate the most ineffective president of all time, could only do gymnastics to find things to dislike about him! Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 10/23/17 12:59:48 PM #37:	Which, btw, this is a very serious subject. I, among most other Americans, have a 401k, so if Trump doesn't keep true to his word, I'll be in line trashing him about this with the rest of you. --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:888980529] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>Which, btw, this is a very serious subject. I, among most other Americans, have a 401k, so if Trump doesn't keep true to his word, I'll be in line trashing him about this with the rest of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 12:59:52 PM #38:	Bullet_Wing posted... Mr_MacPhisto posted... CocteauQuintplt posted... s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar. If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board. Says the guy who always takes Trump's side in any issue. Yep, Macphisto is a joke. --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980538] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_MacPhisto posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar.</quote> If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board.</quote> Says the guy who always takes Trump's side in any issue.</quote> Yep, Macphisto is a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 1:00:16 PM #39:	Caution998 posted... Which, btw, this is a very serious subject. I, among most other Americans, have a 401k, so if Trump doesn't keep true to his word, I'll be in line trashing him about this with the rest of you. We will hold you to it. --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980561] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>Which, btw, this is a very serious subject. I, among most other Americans, have a 401k, so if Trump doesn't keep true to his word, I'll be in line trashing him about this with the rest of you.</quote> We will hold you to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_MacPhisto 10/23/17 1:01:14 PM #41:	Bullet_Wing posted... Mr_MacPhisto posted... CocteauQuintplt posted... s0nicfan posted... So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good? No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar. If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board. Says the guy who always takes Trump's side in any issue. A professional shitposter quoting me. I'm flattered. --- Off with the horns, On with the show! <cite>Mr_MacPhisto posted [p:888980636] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_MacPhisto posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuintplt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>So wait, are we saying now that whatever trump says he's going to do the opposite? Because I thought we were supposed to believe that everything he says is 100% going to happen, and any day now all the Mexicans will be trail of tears'd across the border where the wall is gonna come down to clear up enough of our prisons to begin hunting muslims down. Or are we playing that game where we treat everything he says as 100% true if it makes him look bad, and 100% false if it makes him look good?</quote> No, race-baiter, we are treating him like a fucking liar.</quote> If I see you in a topic on 1 side of an issue, I'm always positive the opposite is true. It's very convenient on this board.</quote> Says the guy who always takes Trump's side in any issue.</quote> A professional shitposter quoting me. I'm flattered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 1:01:40 PM #42:	Darkman124 posted... Caution998 posted... I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. i think most are not mad at him for this statement we just don't believe him Exactly. 4 out of 5 of his statements are consistently false. It's good odds to just assume any comment he makes, about anything, is false or incorrect. --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980662] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm calling it how I see it. I do disagree with some of Trump's policies, but this is just mental gymnastics to maintain your hatred for him. </quote> i think most are not mad at him for this statement we just don't believe him</quote> Exactly. 4 out of 5 of his statements are consistently false. It's good odds to just assume any comment he makes, about anything, is false or incorrect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/23/17 1:02:05 PM #43:	Fyi fossil is a Christian fundamentalist <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:888980694] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>Fyi fossil is a Christian fundamentalist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 10/23/17 1:02:37 PM #44:	If you're already resigned to the fact that he won't keep his word, then enjoy your heart-attack dude. Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change. --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:888980728] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>If you're already resigned to the fact that he won't keep his word, then enjoy your heart-attack dude. Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 10/23/17 1:05:13 PM #46:	s0nicfan posted... We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. The man knows weasel words enough that if he wanted to look good but cover his ass he wouldn't have been so blatant as to say There will be NO change to your 401(k)". That's Bush Sr. "Read my lips" levels of making yourself accountable to the result. I'd say he's putting it ALL on the line because what he said means any change to 401K plans through government action would be in direct contradiction to his statement. I think you can look at his statements on healthcare and see statements that don't leave any wiggle room. "As his run for president took shape, candidate Trump boasted via Twitter, I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid before arguing that GOP also-ran Mike Huckabee was copying him. " But he endorsed health bills that did exactly that. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:888980878] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're just going to have to agree to disagree, then. The man knows weasel words enough that if he wanted to look good but cover his ass he wouldn't have been so blatant as to say There will be NO change to your 401(k)". That's Bush Sr. "Read my lips" levels of making yourself accountable to the result. I'd say he's putting it ALL on the line because what he said means any change to 401K plans through government action would be in direct contradiction to his statement.</quote> I think you can look at his statements on healthcare and see statements that don't leave any wiggle room. "As his run for president took shape, candidate Trump boasted via Twitter, I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid before arguing that GOP also-ran Mike Huckabee was copying him. " But he endorsed health bills that did exactly that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/23/17 1:05:31 PM #47:	Caution998 posted... Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change. it's actually super useful to be acting in advance because then you'll call your congressman and tell them you don't want the law passed seriously, i challenge you to let your house represenative know you, a republican who voted for him, don't want him to pass any tax bill that undermines 401k contributions, and you will vote against him in the future if he votes for it. it's really bad to passively await the government passing laws to react to them. that is how government gets the idea that it can act without voter support. nobody is angry here though we just dont believe him. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888980898] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change. </quote> it's actually super useful to be acting in advance because then you'll call your congressman and tell them you don't want the law passed seriously, i challenge you to let your house represenative know you, a republican who voted for him, don't want him to pass any tax bill that undermines 401k contributions, and you will vote against him in the future if he votes for it. it's really bad to passively await the government passing laws to react to them. that is how government gets the idea that it can act without voter support. nobody is angry here though we just dont believe him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 10/23/17 1:05:39 PM #48:	lmfao If Obama said this exact line: "WHEW that's a load off my shoulders!" - everyone in this topic Me: "Well what if this still happens guys?" Everyone: "OMG LOOK AT THIS IDIOT QUESTIONING OBAMA!" --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:888980906] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote>lmfao If Obama said this exact line: "WHEW that's a load off my shoulders!" - everyone in this topic Me: "Well what if this still happens guys?" Everyone: "OMG LOOK AT THIS IDIOT QUESTIONING OBAMA!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 1:06:12 PM #49:	Caution998 posted... If you're already resigned to the fact that he won't keep his word, then enjoy your heart-attack dude. Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change. Who here is displaying anger? Chill. Get angry when we actually are angry. We are calmly explaining why Trump should not be believed. Even though he lies 80% of the time, you still insist his statements deserve the benefit of the doubt? Lol --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888980942] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>If you're already resigned to the fact that he won't keep his word, then enjoy your heart-attack dude. Chill. Get angry when something actually happens. It's not healthy to be angry about something that he claims won't change.</quote> Who here is displaying anger? Chill. Get angry when we actually are angry. We are calmly explaining why Trump should not be believed. Even though he lies 80% of the time, you still insist his statements deserve the benefit of the doubt? Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CocteauQuintplt 10/23/17 1:07:24 PM #50:	Caution998 posted... lmfao If Obama said this exact line: "WHEW that's a load off my shoulders!" - everyone in this topic Me: "Well what if this still happens guys?" Everyone: "OMG LOOK AT THIS IDIOT QUESTIONING OBAMA!" Oh look, you're just making up hypothetical bullshit now. People are not like you, generally. That is how you react. --- I am Amp <cite>CocteauQuintplt posted [p:888981031] in Trump says... [t:75910726]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>lmfao If Obama said this exact line: "WHEW that's a load off my shoulders!" - everyone in this topic Me: "Well what if this still happens guys?" Everyone: "OMG LOOK AT THIS IDIOT QUESTIONING OBAMA!"</quote> Oh look, you're just making up hypothetical bullshit now. People are not like you, generally. That is how you react.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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