Current Events > if you look at things logically

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and like to find the best solution and realize every situation is different does that make you a democrat or republican? I realize everyones values are different and what they prefer but good people generally have a better grasp of right and wrong than others.

helping poor people = garbage means you're republican

c?? that simple!
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Despite all the people who will declare one side as "right" and the other as "wrong" it's not really like that. It would be great if one side was the logical thinkers and the other wasn't, but like most things in the world it's not that black and white.
There's good and bad on both sides and trying to pick a specific side to blindly follow is always a terrible idea.
Honestly both sides agree on a lot more than you'd think, the issue is just that both sides have different world views and what they perceive as the best solution for that problem.
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anarchy is the opposite of logic. anarchy is basically letting people do whatever they want regardless of how nuts it is. A lot of what is going on now is anarchy in ways.

kg88222 posted...

anarchy is the opposite of logic.

Now TC, if you look at things logically...
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Gamer99z posted...

Despite all the people who will declare one side as "right" and the other as "wrong" it's not really like that.

one side is fox news and the other isn't. that's seriously all it amounts to.
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kg88222 posted...

and like to find the best solution and realize every situation is different does that make you a democrat or republican?

It's unrelated.
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anth0ny posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Despite all the people who will declare one side as "right" and the other as "wrong" it's not really like that.

one side is fox news and the other isn't. that's seriously all it amounts to.

The Democratic party has done and said some dumb ass shit and taken stupid stances over the years too.
Yeah I'd personally say that the Democratic party is much more on the side of logic and reasoning generally speaking, I still can't in good conscience say either party is fully like that, they've both said and done stupid stuff and one of the two isn't always in the right on every issue and neither party is infallible.
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nono. what i mean is, people literally vote how fox news tells them to.

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-09-unplanned-fox-news-viewing-likelihood.html

there's tons of articles like that
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reasonable is a good word too. That's not everything. you need to understand a lot of things and be able to be able to have fun and understand situations to be reasonable anyways. I'm not saying be a stiff. you also need to be able to communicate those thoughts so people will follow you. BUt as far as politics looking at situations and what the country actually needs at that point in time is the entire point of government isn't it? I'm a king more than a republican or a democrat?

I usually just end up voting for who i think the country needs more at that point in time. I lean democratic but they are flawed too. Republicans are just as flawed particularly the current ones just living in a bizarro world. Some younger republicans seem better suited than Trump. He is just living in a bizarro world. Liberals seem to want to open the floodgates on everything which leads to a lack of morals and personal responsibility though. That's something republicans completely lack right now though. Both abuse the system.

dolomedes posted...

kg88222 posted...

anarchy is the opposite of logic. anarchy is basically letting people do whatever they want regardless of how nuts it is. A lot of what is going on now is anarchy in ways.

"an anarchist is anybody who doesn't need a cop to tell them what's wrong or right."

any adult i've met that describes themselves as an anarchist is also an activist fighting for human rights. i think you have a skewed notion of anarchism.

i would say i am an anarchist in ways but also not. I don't need people telling me what to do though overly. If i have an issue im perfectly capable of asking questions. i don't know everything. control freakish people who tell me what i think over the internet particularly are absurd. i'm being told to do stuff im already doing 90 percent of the time and it just f's me up people trying to control stuff. misjudgements. Assumptions etc.. That stuff is just absurd. i need my space.

I see that stuff too. I"m super perceptive that way as far as ignorance is concerned. But also can tell humor too.

A lot of political divides, at least fundamentally, come down to different intrinsic values and premises. Both sides can be completely logical, but starting with different premises will lead to different conclusions.
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dolomedes posted...

if you look at things logically you're probably an anarchist tbh

Pffffft
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COVxy posted...

A lot of political divides, at least fundamentally, come down to different intrinsic values and premises. Both sides can be completely logical, but starting with different premises will lead to different conclusions.

I agree with this but that's being logical that people come from different places and in order to govern there need to be certain values in place. Allowing anarchy to occur where the system and people are being abused isn't the answer though.

It amazes me how flawed and corrupt the system can be where even in situations and what is being taught how mindless people can be because the system says so and how sheepish people can be.

It goes both ways. Certain values are lost in that. Like actually being intelligent people. When you have stupid people making stupid rules that's a problem.

You are probably a centrist.
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I would agree. I would say I'm a centrist who leans democratic moreso these days. But also can lean republican depending on where I"m at. I think I used to be more of a republican but then started realizing how corrupt they can become. Liberals are the same way though.

I'm a warrior caught between these days which isn't always the most fun though. Sometimes it is if you can laugh at the stupidity but it will drive you nuts too.

I think I'm a perfectly fine rational person dealing with a lot of crazy people sometimes which has its issues.

anth0ny posted...

nono. what i mean is, people literally vote how fox news tells them to.

https://m.phys.org/news/2017-09-unplanned-fox-news-viewing-likelihood.html

there's tons of articles like that

Oh my bad, and that's... Pretty sad to say the least. But it's an interesting topic to get into, how much can the media really away elections, even if they're blatantly biased media like Fox News?
And shit, that would explain why the Republican party has seemingly just gotten worse and worse over this last decade or so especially. I really wish the Republican party didn't give Fox News so much merit, they'd probably be doing better right now.
But then again, they're pretty much in control of our federal government right now so I guess it's somewhat working out for them... Sigh.
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i honestly can't stand the media. there is so much drama and bias out there its absurd. even on sites like this. its a freaking waste of time dealing with opinions im not going to agree with anyways. ive been listenting to the media for too long and its nothing but drama and a bunch of trolls on issues going on in this world that are just causing drama.

when the president of the united states is basically a troll that's an issue. when 90 percent of the media just thrives on it to create more drama that's an issue too.

its all to create money for media outlets while nothing is actually done. the sky is falling daily in the media. there is so much bs out there i never had to learn in the first place. the internet will suck you in and then make it out like you are the selfish one. theres a point where it's like fu.

propaganda everywhere.

kg88222 posted...

i honestly can't stand the media. there is so much drama and bias out there its absurd. even on sites like this. its a freaking waste of time dealing with opinions im not going to agree with anyways. ive been listenting to the media for too long and its nothing but drama and a bunch of trolls on issues going on in this world that are just causing drama.

when the president of the united states is basically a troll that's an issue. when 90 percent of the media just thrives on it to create more drama that's an issue too.

its all to create money for media outlets while nothing is actually done. the sky is falling daily in the media. there is so much bs out there i never had to learn in the first place.

Yep, pretty much.
Fox News does it with fear mongering over the liberals coming to take their guns, ban Christianity, treat all white people like Hitler, and freeload off of you. Then splice in some clip of them interviewing some dumb kid, doing some dumb package on spiring break kids, etc. Playing into that "kids these days!!!" shit that everyone eventually gets old and deals with to some extent.

Then you'll have various liberal outlets that do the same thing, act like Trump is literally Hitler and he's about to destroy the entire country, treat Republicans like the devil, try way too hard to pander to the younger demographics, push played put things like the bs wage gap statistics, etc.

Even worse is you have people who blindly follow one of them, acknowledge all those things about the other ones, but refuse to acknowledge the same about the one they like.
Idk I'm younger than a lot of people here so idk if it's really always been this way and I'm just now old enough and involved enough to see it, or if it's changed that much over the last decade or so where media seems to be entirely sensational and money hungry for as many eyes as possible while neglecting the actual news and actual facts, or bending them for a narrative to pander to their chosen demographics.
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i hate moderators too. the internet is basically one big suck fillled with trolls sayiing blind stuff to people trying to control what you think. they'll even tell you what you think.

Gamer99z posted...

Yep, pretty much.
Fox News does it with fear mongering over the liberals coming to take their guns, ban Christianity, treat all white people like Hitler, and freeload off of you. Then splice in some clip of them interviewing some dumb kid, doing some dumb package on spiring break kids, etc. Playing into that "kids these days!!!" shit that everyone eventually gets old and deals with to some extent.

Then you'll have various liberal outlets that do the same thing, act like Trump is literally Hitler and he's about to destroy the entire country, treat Republicans like the devil, try way too hard to pander to the younger demographics, push played put things like the bs wage gap statistics, etc.

Even worse is you have people who blindly follow one of them, acknowledge all those things about the other ones, but refuse to acknowledge the same about the one they like.
Idk I'm younger than a lot of people here so idk if it's really always been this way and I'm just now old enough and involved enough to see it, or if it's changed that much over the last decade or so where media seems to be entirely sensational and money hungry for as many eyes as possible while neglecting the actual news and actual facts, or bending them for a narrative to pander to their chosen demographics.

I get the suspicion that you don't watch any television news outlets at all, lol.
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MrPeppers posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Yep, pretty much.
Fox News does it with fear mongering over the liberals coming to take their guns, ban Christianity, treat all white people like Hitler, and freeload off of you. Then splice in some clip of them interviewing some dumb kid, doing some dumb package on spiring break kids, etc. Playing into that "kids these days!!!" shit that everyone eventually gets old and deals with to some extent.

Then you'll have various liberal outlets that do the same thing, act like Trump is literally Hitler and he's about to destroy the entire country, treat Republicans like the devil, try way too hard to pander to the younger demographics, push played put things like the bs wage gap statistics, etc.

Even worse is you have people who blindly follow one of them, acknowledge all those things about the other ones, but refuse to acknowledge the same about the one they like.
Idk I'm younger than a lot of people here so idk if it's really always been this way and I'm just now old enough and involved enough to see it, or if it's changed that much over the last decade or so where media seems to be entirely sensational and money hungry for as many eyes as possible while neglecting the actual news and actual facts, or bending them for a narrative to pander to their chosen demographics.

I get the suspicion that you don't watch any television news outlets at all, lol.

While I don't anymore I did up until somewhat recently, I watched more Fox News than I'd care to admit in the mid-late 2000's because of my dad and up until I recently shut off my cable from never really watching it much anymore I'd have it on CNN all the time as background stuff while I'm working, browsing the internet, cleaning, etc. And I occasionally put it on the network news stuff like NBC news or whatever just for the same reasons. Plus my work has a TV constantly on CNN so I still catch a lot.
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