Current Events > GoT's seventh season deserves a lotta shit, but you have to admit. *spoilers*

(+) Yeah! (+)

The scene where Daenarys finally rides a dragon and just completely fucks up the Lannisters will give you a boner every time.
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every time daenyarys tries to act tough riding the dragons always makes me cringe for some reason. i think GoT tries too hard to make Daenarys look tough when emilia clarke is like this 5'2" 110lb girl. it was even worse in the terminator movie she was in. why did she have to ride the dragon lol
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every time daenyarys tries to act tough makes me cringe

this.
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Romulox28 posted...

why did she have to ride the dragon lol

The same reason people ride horses...
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the only real issues I had with the season were: the fast travel, and those moments where characters would catch up about stuff. their convos didn't feel that natural

besides those things that annoyed me, I felt that it was a great season.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

why did she have to ride the dragon lol

The same reason people ride horses...

like why is she riding the dragons into battle? they obviously have the ability to understand commands and she isnt really doing anything special on it.

her being on the back is just a chance for the show to go "look how tough daenarys is! she's in combat too!" i guess the writers want to show how shes not afraid of war and all that but it just strikes me as kind of odd. nobody would say that cercei's character is not tough or dangerous but you dont see her running around with an axe
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apart from the criminally short amount of episodes, season 7 was fine.

Set up nicely for the final season.

Now the white walkers have a friggin dragon.. and the wall is breached!
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Romulox28 posted...

like why is she riding the dragons into battle? they obviously have the ability to understand commands and she isnt really doing anything special on it.

They understand commands, not strategy. Daenarys is the one that has it burn an opening in the Lannister defenses so the Dothraki can break their line. She's the one that targets the supply chain and the scorpion. She's the one that forces Drogon to pull out of a fall after taking a hit.
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I remember CE gave me so much when I predicted the Ice King's dragon would breathe blue fire instead of ice.

Also Dany was flying dragons since last season.
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pegusus123456 posted...

. Daenarys is the one that has it burn an opening in the Lannister defenses so the Dothraki can break their line.

a 10' opening instead of strafing their front line because "it looks cooler"

the supply chain was just a bunch of grain trucks, gj dany you just starved westeros
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she commands the dragon from on it. would you prefer she uses a megaphone?

Expected Ed Sheeran topic

Darkman124 posted...

a 10' opening instead of strafing their front line because "it looks cooler"

It's because dragonriders are the only really vulnerable part of the dragon. They tend to do hit and run tactics on specific targets rather than take on the entire army.

Darkman124 posted...

the supply chain was just a bunch of grain trucks, gj dany you just starved westeros

Yeah, that's what Robb and Tywin and everyone else were doing <_<
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pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, that's what Robb and Tywin and everyone else were doing <_<

didnt say she was better

just said that those trucks werent going anywhere and burning them actually was a strategic setback

pegusus123456 posted...

It's because dragonriders are the only really vulnerable part of the dragon. They tend to do hit and run tactics on specific targets rather than take on the entire army.

you mean like that time she charged directly at a scorpion

or that time she flew over top of the whole army burning the grain instead of the army

those scenes looked awesome but you have to turn your brain off when you watch them.
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I don't know why they didn't make it so the gold was still on the supply train.

then the field of fire 2.0 would've actually had some consequences
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Darkman124 posted...

didnt say she was better

just said that those trucks werent going anywhere and burning them actually was a strategic setback

It's because she's trying to turn the commonfolk against the Lannisters.

Darkman124 posted...

you mean like that time she charged directly at a scorpion

or that time she flew over top of the whole army burning the grain instead of the army

Yes. Those are hit and run tactics.

Doom_Art posted...

I don't know why they didn't make it so the gold was still on the supply train.

then the field of fire 2.0 would've actually had some consequences

This is a legit complaint tho
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Doom_Art posted...

I don't know why they didn't make it so the gold was still on the supply train.

then the field of fire 2.0 would've actually had some consequences

because the writers didnt like GRRM's interpretation of cersei as a paranoid fool who bungled everything relating to governance and instead want her to be competition with the night king for 'final villain'

she's using the gold to purchase the golden company, an army of mercenaries exactly the size the plot demands them to be

i would laugh a bunch if in book 6 (assuming it is ever released) GRRM has jaime murder her real early on
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pegusus123456 posted...

It's because she's trying to turn the commonfolk against the Lannisters.

burning their food is a bad way of doing that

pegusus123456 posted...

Yes. Those are hit and run tactics.

no they most certainly are not

nor was charging the exact front of an army, head on. flanking it then flying away would be a hit-and-run tactic, though.

look, i'm not claiming the shot of her riding drogon a few feet above the charging horsemen to the tune of the best composed music in the series wasn't visually appealing

i'm saying that it made no tactical sense because:

1) it offered no protection via misdirection, whereas flanking them would mean minimal range fire could come her way on the approach
2) it offered her army no actual strategic advantage

the show is not meant for critical thought, it's meant to be visually enjoyed.
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Darkman124 posted...

because the writers didnt like GRRM's interpretation of cersei as a paranoid fool who bungled everything relating to governance and instead want her to be competition with the night king for 'final villain'

she's using the gold to purchase the golden company, an army of mercenaries exactly the size the plot demands them to be

Which is kind of hilarious if you know the origins of the Golden Company.

Darkman124 posted...

burning their food is a bad way of doing that

Not really. After Highgarden joins the Lannisters, the commoners praise the Tyrells....forgetting that they were starving because the Tyrells blockaded the Rose Road in the first place.

Darkman124 posted...

no they most certainly are not

nor was charging the exact front of an army, head on. flanking it then flying away would be a hit-and-run tactic, though.

Well, you got me there.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Which is kind of hilarious if you know the origins of the Golden Company.

oh i know. the show completely excises any content about them other than "that there big 'ol army that nobody's using because SHUT UP"

admittedly in the book high probability exists of dany fighting said army given their allegiance to the mummer's dragon

i am glad they at least revived jon connington's sad story with jorah mormont though. best characters.

pegusus123456 posted...

Not really. After Highgarden joins the Lannisters, the commoners praise the Tyrells....forgetting that they were starving because the Tyrells blockaded the Rose Road in the first place.

the tyrells had food to give the commoners

dany does not

anymore
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Darkman124 posted...

the tyrells had food to give the commoners

dany does not

anymore

She will though, we can assume.
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pegusus123456 posted...

She will though, we can assume.

from where? jon snow's dick?
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Darkman124 posted...

from where? jon snow's dick?

pegusus123456 posted...

we can assume

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so we're in agreement now
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Darkman124 posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

She will though, we can assume.

from where? jon snow's dick?

Stop it, if you say things like that they'll come true
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pegusus123456 posted...

This is a legit complaint tho

I remember thinking "aw shit they have the gold on there so Dany is gonna come in and melt the lannister army and kill the gold"

then randyll tarly said something like "the gold is safely through the gate of king's landing" then some shit about flogging men to make them march faster

and i'm like oh well that's just silly

Darkman124 posted...

because the writers didnt like GRRM's interpretation of cersei as a paranoid fool who bungled everything relating to governance and instead want her to be competition with the night king for 'final villain'

she's using the gold to purchase the golden company, an army of mercenaries exactly the size the plot demands them to be

i would laugh a bunch if in book 6 (assuming it is ever released) GRRM has jaime murder her real early on

I know it's so fucking infuriating

I'm still irked that for some reason not only did she get away with nuking the fucking biggest religious site in the country and murdering most of the assembled nobility but for some reason she crowned herself Queen, and the rest of the patriarchal feudal society just kind of went along with it with no problem.

like there was the scene where Tycho was all "you are certainly your father's daughter" or some shit

And it's like no that's what she's supposed to think. she's actually supposed to be a moron.

it's the same bullshit that the writers did with Ramsay. He's supposed to be a wormy little creep who is actually an idiot and can't fight worth shit.

yet the show keeps giving him a handicap so he's a master swordsman, tactician, and a handsome charmer.

fucking hate the shit out of it

also fucking Jaimie man. His arc is one of the best in the entire book series. Some of the best parts of SoS and AFfC are him travelling around war torn Westeros, seeing the horrors his family's wars have inflicted on the country, seeing what a shit bag Cersei really is, eventually deciding he's done with her, done being her lackey/fucktoy, and that he'll forge his own identity

in the show? he spends a season in Dorne for some dumbass reason, then kinda meanders around the Riverlands a bit, there's shades of this arc when he's in the Riverlands, and he arrives at the end of the season to find that Cersei blew up part of King's Landing with wildfire (YOU KNOW THE THING HE KILLED AERYS FOR MERELY THREATENING TO DO) but then he's right back to being her lackey

they just dragged their fucking heels on it way too much it was annoying to watch

/rant
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Darkman124 posted...

so we're in agreement now

Yes.

She will birth Jon's bastard children and use them to feed the smallfolk of King's Landing.
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Doom_Art posted...

like there was the scene where Tycho was all "you are certainly your father's daughter" or some shit

I personally read that scene as Tycho knowing that she's full of shit.
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Doom_Art posted...

/rant

Let's not forget how he raped Cersei for absolutely no reason and a little while later she completely forgot about it
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Doom_Art posted...

yet the show keeps giving him a handicap so he's a master swordsman, tactician, and a handsome charmer.

to be fair, ramsay in book 2 is actually a pretty good tactician from a complete monster standpoint

he destroys a stark army four times his size because they don't realize he's going to betray them

then in book 5 he uses his reek to destroy the ironborn holdouts in the neck
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Darkman124 posted...

to be fair, ramsay in book 2 is actually a pretty good tactician from a complete monster standpoint

he destroys a stark army four times his size because they don't realize he's going to betray them

then in book 5 he uses his reek to destroy the ironborn holdouts in the neck

I get the sense that Roose Bolton planned both those things
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scar the 1 posted...

Let's not forget how he raped Cersei for absolutely no reason and a little while later she completely forgot about it

I chalk that up to a failure on the director to properly show intent

And I do forgive that scene because it gave me one of my favorite GIFs



Darkman124 posted...

to be fair, ramsay in book 2 is actually a pretty good tactician from a complete monster standpoint

he destroys a stark army four times his size because they don't realize he's going to betray them

eh that's fair I guess

The rest of what I said still applies though.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I get the sense that Roose Bolton planned both those things

hard to say with certainty, but probably.

Doom_Art posted...

The rest of what I said still applies though.

yep no argument with the rest of it
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Also I get the show leans more on the realistic interpretation of character looks, locations, and shit

but holy god damn Casterly Rock and Highgarden were disappointing
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I can somewhat imagine Casterly Rock looking the way it did in the show.

Highgarden was a disappointment though.
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Doom_Art posted...

Also I get the show leans more on the realistic interpretation of character looks, locations, and shit

but holy god damn Casterly Rock and Highgarden were disappointing

nothing is quite as lolworthy as the crappy iron throne compared to what it really looks like
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Darkman124 posted...

the supply chain was just a bunch of grain trucks, gj dany you just starved westeros

Oh please like any of that grain was going to trickle down to the rest of the continent.

1. The North:
in rebellion to the crown

2. The Vale:
in rebellion to the crown

3. The Iron Islands:
in rebellion to the crown

4. Dorne:
in rebellion to the crown

5. The Riverlands:
Let them eat fish

6. The Stormlands:
.....lol wut

7. The Reach
Whatever amount was left behind.

8. The Westerlands
Now grainless

9. The Crownlands
Now grainless

So really its only 2 out of the 9 regions that lost out on the food supply. And during the harsh winter the army will get first dibs of what food there is and then the nobles in Kings Landing. Cersei wont mind the poor in her city all starving to death, the nobles will just become the new poor by the time Spring comes back.
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Season 7 was the best season besides being short. We finally got to see Dragons and Dothraki fucking shit up. And White Walkers too.
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foreveraIone posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Also I get the show leans more on the realistic interpretation of character looks, locations, and shit

but holy god damn Casterly Rock and Highgarden were disappointing

nothing is quite as lolworthy as the crappy iron throne compared to what it really looks like

Had to look it up cause I did not realize GRRM didn't like the throne

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/e/e5/Marc_Simonetti_Bran_theironthroneJoff.jpg

Wow, that is way more badass
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I didn't think S7 was all that bad. It definitely had its pacing issues, but I recognize that is due to them wanting to speed up where the plot is to better match their vision for the final season. It also doesn't have GRRM's wit with respect to some of the dialogue, but at this point I'm not expecting those books and I'm pretty invested in the story and lore.

What has happened thus far is more or less the direction I expected things to go anyway.
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Darkman124 posted...

the supply chain was just a bunch of grain trucks, gj dany you just starved westeros

u wot

She starved the Lannisters and their armies, not Westeros. You're one of the smartest people on this board, Darkman, so I have a hard time imagining you actually believe any of that food was actually intended for anyone other than the Lannisters themselves.
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sylverlolol posted...

u wot

She starved the Lannisters and their armies, not Westeros. You're one of the smartest people on this board, Darkman, so I have a hard time imagining you actually believe any of that food was actually intended for anyone other than the Lannisters themselves.

the point is she captured it by defeating the army, and would have been in position to give it to the people

but instead of using drogon to burn the army she went ahead and destroyed the food that she was capturing
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