Current Events > Autistic 15 year old pleads guilty to hacking ex-CIA director's computer

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toyota
10/08/17 4:59:25 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6txr0W9eXI


What should his sentence be? Should he even be treated like an adult criminal?
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DesuDeku
10/08/17 5:38:27 AM
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tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct
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Scotty_Rogers
10/08/17 5:39:40 AM
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DesuDeku posted...
tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct


lmao
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SomeLikeItHoth
10/08/17 5:46:45 AM
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Ban him from using any computer.
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GunmaN1905
10/08/17 5:49:12 AM
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He'll probably start working for the CIA.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
10/08/17 5:55:37 AM
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Clearly a KGB agent.
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UncleBourbon33
10/08/17 5:55:54 AM
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Gamer99z
10/08/17 6:00:21 AM
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DesuDeku posted...
tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct

Haven't there been a couple different lawyers, law school students, and a police officer here are some point? If any of them are still around then they might be somewhat qualified to give an informed decision.
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_Schwarzlicht_
10/08/17 6:01:35 AM
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tote_all posted...
Also I doubt he's autistic, much more likely on the spectrum.


Doesn't 'the spectrum' refer to the spectrum of different types/severities of autism?
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scar the 1
10/08/17 6:04:44 AM
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_Schwarzlicht_ posted...
tote_all posted...
Also I doubt he's autistic, much more likely on the spectrum.


Doesn't 'the spectrum' refer to the spectrum of different types/severities of autism?

Yeah. What used to be called Asperger's is now placed on the spectrum as well. Since the severity varies so much between individuals.
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itachi15243
10/08/17 6:10:25 AM
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Gamer99z posted...
DesuDeku posted...
tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct

Haven't there been a couple different lawyers, law school students, and a police officer here are some point? If any of them are still around then they might be somewhat qualified to give an informed decision.


This is a matter of international law, and is serious business. We've had some criminal defense attorneys and cops, but if this kid was charged as an adult(especially if he got in), there'd likely be like half a dozen federal agencies involved.

You don't just call up a standard defense attorney for that shit
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_Schwarzlicht_
10/08/17 7:25:00 AM
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tote_all posted...
Autism spectrum disorders are varying deegrees of Asperger's. Spectrum people are far more functional and independent. Autism is an entirely different condition, with similar characteristics, but far more severe, with non-functional, dependant individuals.

An autistic person cannot learn to hack, as hacking is a language.

Sorry for saying so, but none of this sounds right. Asperger's is counted as an autism spectrum disorder, not the other way around. The 'spectrum' [dictionary def: a broad range of varied but related ideas or objects, the individual features of which tend to overlap so as to form a continuous series or sequence] includes a lot of different varieties and strengths of conditions. The 'Autism spectrum' isn't an condition, it's a category of them. There are high and low functioning autistic people who can have any of a large range of conditions. I also don't think being autistic means it's impossible to for them to learn a language or how to hack (which 'hacking' is not a language, what).
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Rika_Furude
10/08/17 7:27:33 AM
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tote_all posted...
as hacking is a language

its math, or not even math. its definitely not a language
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Antifar
10/08/17 7:28:33 AM
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This is more or less the back story of the CBS drama Scorpio, which sucks.
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scar the 1
10/08/17 7:37:14 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
tote_all posted...
as hacking is a language

its math, or not even math. its definitely not a language

I have some colleagues who do research on cybersecurity and hacking in particular, and they 100% treat it like a language problem. Can't speak much to the specifics since it's not my topic, but if you want I can ask next week and get back to you.
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_Schwarzlicht_
10/08/17 7:37:58 AM
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tote_all posted...
I didn't express everything right, let me rephrase.

Autism spectrum disorders are what was traditionally known as Asperger's, which have been sub-classified in recent times, with Asperger's now being what most specifically fit the original criteria.

You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack. Learning that for a truly autistic person (who normally have low IQ, among other things), would be next to impossible.


Got it. I don't really know enough about either Asperger's or autism in general to argue further, so I'll leave that one there.

That tiny clip didn't mention the severity of the guy's autism (or go into it in any way, e.g. if it's even true or not) so I still wouldn't automatically say it's impossible or near impossible, but I understand what you're saying.
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ChromaticAngel
10/08/17 8:43:14 AM
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tote_all posted...
You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack.

You don't know much about hacking. I can probably break into your PC using nothing but drag and drop if I had physical access to it.
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scar the 1
10/08/17 8:44:26 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
tote_all posted...
You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack.

You don't know much about hacking. I can probably break into your PC using nothing but drag and drop if I had physical access to it.

And that's got very little to do with the skillset required to successfully do what this kid allegedly did.
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UncleBourbon33
10/08/17 8:45:19 AM
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Hacking is easy. All you have to do is reroute the encryptions in the GUI mainframe.
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ChromaticAngel
10/08/17 8:47:42 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
tote_all posted...
You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack.

You don't know much about hacking. I can probably break into your PC using nothing but drag and drop if I had physical access to it.

And that's got very little to do with the skillset required to successfully do what this kid allegedly did.

What this kid allegedly did isn't stated in the video. Just that he tried and didn't even succeed.
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scar the 1
10/08/17 8:49:06 AM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
scar the 1 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
tote_all posted...
You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack.

You don't know much about hacking. I can probably break into your PC using nothing but drag and drop if I had physical access to it.

And that's got very little to do with the skillset required to successfully do what this kid allegedly did.

What this kid allegedly did isn't stated in the video. Just that he tried and didn't even succeed.

Fair enough
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RE_expert44
10/08/17 9:16:34 AM
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6 months in the chokey
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Eat More Beef
10/08/17 9:20:19 AM
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Punishing him would be fucming dumb. He's obviously smart so they'd be best to hire him, let him learn and teach him how to work for the government. Let him grow withe the technology. He'll be much more useful to society that way.
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myzz7
10/08/17 9:20:59 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
DesuDeku posted...
tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct


lmao

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J E S U S
10/08/17 9:21:37 AM
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Bet he wishes he knew Bruce Willis
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charey
10/08/17 10:36:26 AM
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tote_all posted...
_Schwarzlicht_ posted...
tote_all posted...
Autism spectrum disorders are varying deegrees of Asperger's. Spectrum people are far more functional and independent. Autism is an entirely different condition, with similar characteristics, but far more severe, with non-functional, dependant individuals.

An autistic person cannot learn to hack, as hacking is a language.

Sorry for saying so, but none of this sounds right. Asperger's is counted as an autism spectrum disorder, not the other way around. The 'spectrum' [dictionary def: a broad range of varied but related ideas or objects, the individual features of which tend to overlap so as to form a continuous series or sequence] includes a lot of different varieties and strengths of conditions. The 'Autism spectrum' isn't an condition, it's a category of them. There are high and low functioning autistic people who can have any of a large range of conditions. I also don't think being autistic means it's impossible to for them to learn a language or how to hack (which 'hacking' is not a language, what).


I didn't express everything right, let me rephrase.

Autism spectrum disorders are what was traditionally known as Asperger's, which have been sub-classified in recent times, with Asperger's now being what most specifically fit the original criteria.

You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack. Learning that for a truly autistic person (who normally have low IQ, among other things), would be next to impossible.
You are a bit misinformed about autisim, while there is a loss of vocabulary at a young age it can be metigated or completely reversed with speech therapy in a lot of cases. I had separate speech therapy sessions after class through all of grade and middle school.

Autism has basically no effect on a person's general intelligence rather it effects thier ability to communicate and pick up on social queues, there is a lot of subtext to language that can be harder to pick up on like sarcasm or eye contact.

(On a side note the fact that kids lose some speech ability as toddlers is probably why some parents look for an outside cause rather then just seeing it as something the kids are born with.)
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COVxy
10/08/17 10:45:17 AM
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tote_all posted...

You are again, mixing up true autism with spectrum disorders.


I'm pretty sure this distinction is purely imaginary, btw.

Not that DSM criteria aren't already arbitrary...
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Kitt
10/08/17 10:49:33 AM
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He's going to get recruited and become a super top secret secret service hacker for the government.
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COVxy
10/08/17 10:49:41 AM
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tote_all posted...
Then you don't know jackshit about psychiatry.


http://images.pearsonclinical.com/images/assets/basc-3/basc3resources/DSM5_DiagnosticCriteria_AutismSpectrumDisorder.pdf

I mean, the main change from DSM-IV and the DSM-V with respect from autism, was removing the subcategorical diagnoses based on the 3 axes of autism, and placing it all into a category called "autism spectrum disorder".
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COVxy
10/08/17 10:54:37 AM
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tote_all posted...
Let me get this straight. You say the DSM is arbitrary, yet you think that because the distinction is not clear in the DSM, you believe two evidently different conditions (strange, socially awkward person with obsessive behavior, interests and ideas vs person with severe deficiency in communication and lower than average IQ compared to the general population) are not different?


The distinction between autism spectrum disorder and autism literally doesn't exist, clinically. That's the entire point of moving towards a spectrum diagnosis.

Someone with severe impairment in all 3 domains is classified as just that, autism spectrum disorder extremely impaired in all 3 domains.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
10/08/17 10:58:09 AM
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DesuDeku posted...
tote_all posted...
toyota posted...
What should his sentence be?


Literally no one on CE is even remotely qualified to answer this.

This is correct

This is the correct answer to most topics on CE, but a bunch of illiterate dumbasses won't let that stop them from spouting their terrible opinions.
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COVxy
10/08/17 11:03:29 AM
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tote_all posted...
Literally or clinically? Gotta decide, pal.


Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

tote_all posted...
According to the same source you were just bashing, yes.

How is in your mind the most serious form of a disease the same as a mild form of it?


I mean, so then you agree with the older classification in which case autism spectrum disorder isn't a thing.

The classifications are arbitrary, yes (the RDoC is probably the more scientific approach to clinical diagnosis), but you can't just willy nilly use these classifications however you choose without regard to their actual definitions. You're like someone walking into a chemistry class and defining bonds to only mean ionic bonds. Yeah, they may be the only bonds you care about, but the field has a set definition for what constitutes a bond.
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DarkDragon400
10/08/17 11:06:36 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
tote_all posted...
as hacking is a language

its math, or not even math. its definitely not a language

I have some colleagues who do research on cybersecurity and hacking in particular, and they 100% treat it like a language problem. Can't speak much to the specifics since it's not my topic, but if you want I can ask next week and get back to you.

I think it depends on what you mean by that. In a sense you might be kind of right, but I really wouldn't describe hacking like that.
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--kresnik--
10/08/17 11:09:10 AM
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His condition is not an excuse. To let this kid off free would set a precedent that people with his disorder could get away with hacking government files.

"I knowingly committed a massive felony, but I have a disorder so you can't punish me!"
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COVxy
10/08/17 11:11:34 AM
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tote_all posted...
You used literally wrong, I mocked you. Deal with it and move on.


No I didn't. The distinction doesn't exist literally, clinically. This is a completely proper and accurate sentence.
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COVxy
10/08/17 11:13:04 AM
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You are arguing about shit that you have no expertise in, but wielding your supposed knowledge like you do.

Just don't be so overconfident in things that you don't actually understand.
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ChromaticAngel
10/08/17 11:37:23 AM
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tote_all posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
tote_all posted...
You use a language, in a very specific way, to hack.

You don't know much about hacking. I can probably break into your PC using nothing but drag and drop if I had physical access to it.


And is that how this kid would have done it?


Obviously not but we don't know what he did do. For all you know, he got ahold of some scripts from a hacking community and just ran them on IP addresses he found from someone else's doxxing of CIA staff.

Additionally, it's unlikely that he was so autistic that he would not have a grasp on language and perform hacking. Cases that severe are often highly supervised as they're accompanied by several other different types of special needs.
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charey
10/08/17 11:51:16 AM
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tote_all posted...
charey posted...
You are a bit misinformed about autisim, while there is a loss of vocabulary at a young age it can be metigated or completely reversed with speech therapy in a lot of cases. I had separate speech therapy sessions after class through all of grade and middle school.

Autism has basically no effect on a person's general intelligence rather it effects thier ability to communicate and pick up on social queues, there is a lot of subtext to language that can be harder to pick up on like sarcasm or eye contact.

(On a side note the fact that kids lose some speech ability as toddlers is probably why some parents look for an outside cause rather then just seeing it as something the kids are born with.)


Are you implying you have autism?

You are again, mixing up true autism with spectrum disorders.
Yes I have autism. I have learned to work around it now but it did take effort.

Autism is a spectrum disorder, there are multiple facets of autism that are more or less severe in different individuals. What I think you are talking about low functioning vs high functioning autism which is more about how severely if effects someone. (I think more recently the distinction has been removed from the medical terminology)
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AffligemFR
10/08/17 11:54:05 AM
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Death penalty


RE_expert44 posted...
6 months in the chokey


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