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WalkingLobsters
10/04/17 7:22:59 PM
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fucking lol.

If the government decides to let the military loose on its people, you really think a bunch of rednecks are going to band together and fend off tanks, missiles, jets, submarines, and all sorts of advanced technology with a couple of guns?

Lmao.
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southcoast09
10/04/17 7:23:40 PM
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The vast majority of the military would refuse to fight us. Fact. So there's that. Plus we have more guns and nobody knows exactly where they are.
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Zeeak4444
10/04/17 7:23:49 PM
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New and original
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FLUFFYGERM
10/04/17 7:24:39 PM
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it certainly helps. there are examples all around the world. guerrilla warfare is very effective.

would you rather people be fish in a barrel without any chance to survive whatsoever?
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ThePrinceFish
10/04/17 7:25:35 PM
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You're insane if you don't think the United States military would fracture in a civil war scenario. What happened to the liberal stereotype of soldiers being dumbass rednecks?
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lilORANG
10/04/17 7:26:05 PM
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No, they don't really think that, but they like their guns too much to give them up so they have to come up with something.
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Samurontai
10/04/17 7:26:49 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
The vast majority of the military would refuse to fight us. Theory. So there's that. Plus we have more guns and nobody knows exactly where they are.


It's not a fact, because it's not proven, so fixed that for you
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snakes_righteye
10/04/17 7:28:54 PM
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The absurdity of Americans and their guns is being exposed worldwide. It won't be long now, it's time to hand in your guns.

It worked for Australia
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

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WalkingLobsters
10/04/17 7:28:56 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
You're insane if you don't think the United States military would fracture in a civil war scenario. What happened to the liberal stereotype of soldiers being dumbass rednecks?

liberal stereotype? Lol, bro. People are brainwashed into psychopathic serial killers in the military. Doesn't matter where they come from. They can come in redneck, hipster, nerd, or even geek, the end result is a cold-blooded killer who will follow orders at the flick of a switch.

lilORANG posted...
No, they don't really think that, but they like their guns too much to give them up so they have to come up with something.
Ben Shapiro thinks that. He always talks about how his Jewish ancestors would still be alive if they had guns to stand up the Nazi military. There's not a chance in hell a bunch of bible belt rednecks will be able to stop an encroaching and menacing military.
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ThePrinceFish
10/04/17 7:30:17 PM
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snakes_righteye posted...
The absurdity of Americans and their guns is being exposed worldwide. It won't be long now, it's time to hand in your guns.

It worked for Australia
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

America is not Australia. Americans are not Australians and the average gun owning Australian did not own 17 firearms.
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Patchwork
10/04/17 7:34:18 PM
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The US military would never wholly turn on its people, and even so, the kryptonite of our military might has been guerilla warfare.

You see a lot of afghans with tanks? Helicopters?

And yet...
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snakes_righteye
10/04/17 7:34:58 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
snakes_righteye posted...
The absurdity of Americans and their guns is being exposed worldwide. It won't be long now, it's time to hand in your guns.

It worked for Australia
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

America is not Australia. Americans are not Australians and the average gun owning Australian did not own 17 firearms.


That is the absurdity I'm talking about.
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ThePrinceFish
10/04/17 7:35:59 PM
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snakes_righteye posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
snakes_righteye posted...
The absurdity of Americans and their guns is being exposed worldwide. It won't be long now, it's time to hand in your guns.

It worked for Australia
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/

America is not Australia. Americans are not Australians and the average gun owning Australian did not own 17 firearms.


That is the absurdity I'm talking about.

At least it's not as absurd as saying "well it worked when Australia turned in their guns" without having to think of the billion differences in gun culture between the United States and Australia.
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Samurontai
10/04/17 7:37:38 PM
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Patchwork posted...
The US military would never wholly turn on its people, and even so, the kryptonite of our military might has been guerilla warfare.

You see a lot of afghans with tanks? Helicopters?

And yet...


The US military would turn on its people if fed enough lies about why they should turn on its people

Remember, the CIA agents who attacked our own people back during the 20th century were also Americans themselves.

Comparing American guerilla warfare to middle eastern guerilla warfare is extremely stupid

We don't have an extensive intelligence network established in the Middle East. We don't have 24/7 coverage, both surveillance, and taps, in the Middle East.

Not to mention the home field advantage and cultural knowledge.

You're leaving out a lot of variables when you blanket everything with the "but we couldn't fight the guerillas in Afghan!!!1!1!"
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snakes_righteye
10/04/17 7:39:26 PM
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There sure is a bunch of pro murder people
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Lorenzo_2003
10/04/17 7:49:38 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
Ben Shapiro thinks that. He always talks about how his Jewish ancestors would still be alive if they had guns to stand up the Nazi military. There's not a chance in hell a bunch of bible belt rednecks will be able to stop an encroaching and menacing military.


I don't know about Shapiro's ancestors, but you have heard of the Bielski partisans, right? They were a bunch of Polish Jews who armed themselves during World War 2 and went around fighting Germans and collaborators to the Germans. They spent two years living on the run and safeguarded more than a thousand people.

You might want to also read up on the Vietnam War. A lot of those Northern combatants were just farmers and other civilians who picked up an AK-47 to fight off the French and, later, US forces. Americans were dropping napalm and artillery shells on those guys, and the Northern Viets still outlasted them. You do know that, right?
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Kineth
10/04/17 7:53:57 PM
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It really is sad but true that the 2nd amendment's granted right of protecting citizens from a tyrannical government is damn near a fantasy due to the firepower that the military and police have.

People say the military won't fight us, but it's the police that you'd have to deal with first and they seem just fine squaring off with people who protest and riot.
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WalkingLobsters
10/04/17 8:00:30 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
Ben Shapiro thinks that. He always talks about how his Jewish ancestors would still be alive if they had guns to stand up the Nazi military. There's not a chance in hell a bunch of bible belt rednecks will be able to stop an encroaching and menacing military.


I don't know about Shapiro's ancestors, but you have heard of the Bielski partisans, right? They were a bunch of Polish Jews who armed themselves during World War 2 and went around fighting Germans and collaborators to the Germans. They spent two years living on the run and safeguarded more than a thousand people.

You might want to also read up on the Vietnam War. A lot of those Northern combatants were just farmers and other civilians who picked up an AK-47 to fight off the French and, later, US forces. Americans were dropping napalm and artillery shells on those guys, and the Northern Viets still outlasted them. You do know that, right?


Vietnam war was a defensive mission, not an offense when LBJ assumed control. That's why the Americans lost. America had the means to absolutely decimate the north if they wanted to, but they didn't because it could have induced China or USSR into the war.
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TheAnthraxBunny
10/04/17 8:07:24 PM
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Texas needs their guns for when they finally decide to pull a Catalonia.
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Kineth
10/04/17 8:08:58 PM
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GregShmedley posted...
Kineth posted...
It really is sad but true that the 2nd amendment's granted right of protecting citizens from a tyrannical government is damn near a fantasy due to the firepower that the military and police have.

People say the military won't fight us, but it's the police that you'd have to deal with first and they seem just fine squaring off with people who protest and riot.


Police are typically pro-2nd amendment and will be there along with the soldiers. The government itself wouldn't stand a chance unless it bombed its own infrastructure and civilians.


I'm not talking about a repeal of the 2nd amendment. I'm talking about the utility of the second amendment being reduced over time.
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cerealbox760
10/04/17 9:12:02 PM
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Guns wont protect you in chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear warfare. Sarin gas, alone, can eliminate entire populations without damaging infrastructure. And if you think the military wont turn against its people, think again. The Civil War proves Americans are always ready to turn against each other and kill. Its worse today because it only takes ONE person to push a button to execute chemical weapons. We are that vulnerable

Guns grant you the illusion of protection. They wont protect you from tyranny
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Dark_Spiret
10/04/17 9:12:56 PM
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how many threads is this now?
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DarthAragorn
10/04/17 9:13:40 PM
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cerealbox760 posted...
Guns wont protect you in chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear warfare. Sarin gas, alone, can eliminate entire populations without damaging infrastructure. And if you think the military wont turn against its people, think again. The Civil War proves Americans are always ready to turn against each other and kill. Its worse today because it only takes ONE person to push a button to execute chemical weapons. We are that vulnerable

Guns grant you the illusion of protection. They wont protect you from tyranny

The Civil War was 150 years ago and people cared way more about their state than the rest of the country
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NadYobWoc
10/04/17 9:15:13 PM
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2Patchwork posted...
The US military would never wholly turn on its people, and even so, the kryptonite of our military might has been guerilla warfare.

You see a lot of afghans with tanks? Helicopters?

And yet...

The force we exerted in Afghanistan is not comparable to what we would for a domestic insurgency.
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cerealbox760
10/04/17 9:19:06 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
cerealbox760 posted...
Guns wont protect you in chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear warfare. Sarin gas, alone, can eliminate entire populations without damaging infrastructure. And if you think the military wont turn against its people, think again. The Civil War proves Americans are always ready to turn against each other and kill. Its worse today because it only takes ONE person to push a button to execute chemical weapons. We are that vulnerable

Guns grant you the illusion of protection. They wont protect you from tyranny

The Civil War was 150 years ago and people cared way more about their state than the rest of the country

If you think everyone in the military gets along, you are clueless. It only takes one to tango. Technology has outpaced guns to the point where you dont need a military to eliminate entire populations. And its only going to get worse.

Forget the military. One political extremist can do so much damage with computers and other biological weaponry. Guns are outdated in comparison to a manufactured virus or disease.
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CarlGrimes
10/04/17 9:28:45 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
People are brainwashed into psychopathic serial killers in the military. Doesn't matter where they come from. They can come in redneck, hipster, nerd, or even geek, the end result is a cold-blooded killer who will follow orders at the flick of a switch.

L O fucking L.
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50Blessings
10/04/17 9:29:53 PM
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Why are liberals so quick to just give up and surrender?

No wonder Trump is president.
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Zodd3224
10/04/17 9:30:30 PM
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Its insanity, TC. Really is.
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NadYobWoc
10/04/17 9:35:42 PM
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50Blessings posted...
Why are liberals so quick to just give up and surrender?

No wonder Trump is president.

It's more a matter of pragmatism vs gut based emotional response.
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EdgeMaster
10/04/17 9:40:48 PM
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snakes_righteye posted...
The absurdity of Americans and their guns is being exposed worldwide. It won't be long now, it's time to hand in your guns.

It worked for Australia
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/


I like how they failed to mention that, while homicide rate decreased, home invasion and armed robbery went up.
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HiddenRoar
10/04/17 9:45:13 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
fucking lol.

If the government decides to let the military loose on its people, you really think a bunch of rednecks are going to band together and fend off tanks, missiles, jets, submarines, and all sorts of advanced technology with a couple of guns?

Lmao.


Don't underestimate how good rednecks are with guns.

The best shooter in our unit is a redneck from Kentucky, complete with stereotypical accent, getting a 39/40 for rifle qual.
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Samurontai
10/04/17 9:46:54 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
fucking lol.

If the government decides to let the military loose on its people, you really think a bunch of rednecks are going to band together and fend off tanks, missiles, jets, submarines, and all sorts of advanced technology with a couple of guns?

Lmao.


Don't underestimate how good rednecks are with guns.

The best shooter in our unit is a redneck from Kentucky, complete with stereotypical accent, getting a 39/40 for rifle qual.


That means literally jack shit
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_Krave_
10/04/17 9:51:10 PM
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Lolberals

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LordRazziel
10/04/17 9:56:44 PM
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I'm no tactical expert, but it's my understanding that guerilla warfare is a bitch.
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GOATSLAYER
10/04/17 9:59:19 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
Its insanity, TC. Really is.

It's insane to think that having no weapons will give you a better chance than having weapons
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thompsontalker7
10/04/17 10:00:44 PM
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So I guess the Taliban is the exception and not the rule then huh
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Zodd3224
10/04/17 10:08:12 PM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Its insanity, TC. Really is.

It's insane to think that having no weapons will give you a better chance than having weapons


Its insane to think the US government is coming for you. Or that if they do, that you owning a gun will make any difference whatsoever
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glitteringfairy
10/04/17 10:13:50 PM
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Yea I'm sure all the military personnel will happily murder all their family members and totally not say fuck that order
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CarlGrimes
10/04/17 10:15:45 PM
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Samurontai posted...
HiddenRoar posted...
WalkingLobsters posted...
fucking lol.

If the government decides to let the military loose on its people, you really think a bunch of rednecks are going to band together and fend off tanks, missiles, jets, submarines, and all sorts of advanced technology with a couple of guns?

Lmao.


Don't underestimate how good rednecks are with guns.

The best shooter in our unit is a redneck from Kentucky, complete with stereotypical accent, getting a 39/40 for rifle qual.


That means literally jack shit

What is your shooting score?
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Zodd3224
10/04/17 10:17:40 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Yea I'm sure all the military personnel will happily murder all their family members and totally not say fuck that order


What does that have to do with you personally owning guns?
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IHeartRadiation
10/04/17 10:20:14 PM
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You can't fight the military even if you point the gun at yourself.
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glitteringfairy
10/04/17 10:20:54 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Yea I'm sure all the military personnel will happily murder all their family members and totally not say fuck that order


What does that have to do with you personally owning guns?

It has to do with that the government wouldn't be able to let loose the military on the civilian population because the military personnel aren't going to murder their family members so whatever TC thinks it's irrelevant because their will be no military intervention.

And me personally, I would never turn in my guns. I'd wrap them in trash bags and bury them if they were going door to door
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On_The_Edge
10/04/17 10:27:02 PM
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Nobody legitimately believes that the armed populace can beat the fucking military in a fight, don't strawman. It would not come down to the full might of the military against the populace, and if it did, the populace would obviously lose, because the US military is the most powerful military force in the entire world. But there are stages of conflict before that in which an armed populace would pose a potent threat to the encroaching government. Tyranny can't really get a foot in the door when the populace is armed as it is.

Anyway, even if we imagine that it goes from 0 to 100 immediately, don't you at least want to retain some remote fucking chance of resisting? In Independence Day did you just think to yourself that the Earth should disarm because the aliens are 100x more potent?
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NINExATExSEVEN
10/04/17 10:31:13 PM
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Are users here really underestimating millions of armed citizens with ammunition to last years and more guns than there are people in America?

Do you guys think that the entire military is going to have tanks and fighter jets or something?

What are they going to do? Destroy all their infrastructure to kill a few people?

Lol at people thinking regular citizens wouldn't stand a chance.
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Zodd3224
10/04/17 10:31:31 PM
#47:


glitteringfairy posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Yea I'm sure all the military personnel will happily murder all their family members and totally not say fuck that order


What does that have to do with you personally owning guns?

It has to do with that the government wouldn't be able to let loose the military on the civilian population because the military personnel aren't going to murder their family members so whatever TC thinks it's irrelevant because their will be no military intervention.

And me personally, I would never turn in my guns. I'd wrap them in trash bags and bury them if they were going door to door


I agree. And you sound reasonable. TC is referring to people thay think their guns will prevent the military from doing whatever.

And that is fine. Personally Im not against guns. I dont own any persobally, but Im okay with people owning them. I am concerned by people who build an aresenal to defend themselves from the government, like one of my wack job family members. People like that owning a cache of guns is concerning to me.

Also, you are my LP brother
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Atralis
10/04/17 10:35:05 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
You're insane if you don't think the United States military would fracture in a civil war scenario. What happened to the liberal stereotype of soldiers being dumbass rednecks?


A huge portion of the infantry are dumbass rednecks. I say that as someone that spent four years active duty in the Army. The infantry are a lot whiter, more southern, and more likely to be hillbilly gun nuts in general than the rest of the military. Black people are more likely to join the military to move their lives forward and less likely to volunteer run into bullets, especially when someone like W. Bush or Trump is president.
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ThePrinceFish
10/04/17 11:06:35 PM
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Atralis posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
You're insane if you don't think the United States military would fracture in a civil war scenario. What happened to the liberal stereotype of soldiers being dumbass rednecks?


A huge portion of the infantry are dumbass rednecks. I say that as someone that spent four years active duty in the Army. The infantry are a lot whiter, more southern, and more likely to be hillbilly gun nuts in general than the rest of the military. Black people are more likely to join the military to move their lives forward and less likely to volunteer run into bullets, especially when someone like W. Bush or Trump is president.

And yet none of those groups of people sound like they would be willing to execute American citizens on the orders of politicians who they generally hate anyways.
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Patchwork
10/05/17 7:07:08 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Patchwork posted...
The US military would never wholly turn on its people, and even so, the kryptonite of our military might has been guerilla warfare.

You see a lot of afghans with tanks? Helicopters?

And yet...


The US military would turn on its people if fed enough lies about why they should turn on its people

Remember, the CIA agents who attacked our own people back during the 20th century were also Americans themselves.

Comparing American guerilla warfare to middle eastern guerilla warfare is extremely stupid

We don't have an extensive intelligence network established in the Middle East. We don't have 24/7 coverage, both surveillance, and taps, in the Middle East.

Not to mention the home field advantage and cultural knowledge.

You're leaving out a lot of variables when you blanket everything with the "but we couldn't fight the guerillas in Afghan!!!1!1!"


We couldn't win against guerillas in Vietnam, or Afghanistan, or sustain Iraq long enough to win. An insurgency in the US would turn this country INTO the Middle East, plunging it into an unending war. Yes, the government has access to surveillance, but to assume that an insurgent force wouldn't adapt to that is ridiculous.

And the military is comprised of volunteers. You might turn some with lies and propaganda, but getting the military machine to turn in its entirety against the American people is unrealistic.
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