Current Events > Did Stephen Paddock do it?

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Way to go signal boosting ISIS propaganda, conspiracy freaks.
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"but how do you know" isn't a counter argument.
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HypnoCoosh posted...

At this point I think it's perfectly reasonable to have questions.

You literally think Charlottesville was a false flag, so of course you'd think this was as well.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Doom_Art posted...

What specifically in this specific case has led you to believe this?

A guy with supposedly no gun or military training having a personal armory and being able to take out hundreds of people with a rapid fire sniper rifle. The person that did this is someone that regularly uses firearms and was trained.

He used mounts to shoot into a crowd of 22,000 people. What part requires military training?
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Bio1590 posted...

HypnoCoosh posted...

At this point I think it's perfectly reasonable to have questions.

You literally think Charlottesville was a false flag, so of course you'd think this was as well.

does his earlier stances invalidate reason to be skeptical of the government period?
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Doom_Art posted...

Guys a while ago my nephew broke his arm on a jungle gym

something isn't adding up here though

I think the government may be behind it.

What would the government have to gain from your nephew breaking his arm?

WAIT!!! It's because they want to prevent his future!!!! This means the government definitely has time travel /observation technology!

Delta_F14 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Delta_F14 posted...

Previous operations undertaken by members of the government.

I'm talking about this specific instance though

What specifically in this specific case has led you to believe this?

Similarities to previous operations undertaken by members of the government.

Yeah, it looks like a reverse false flag. Party C is making a false flag saying that Party B is making a false flag to Party A. But then maybe there's another group false flagging C?

I'm just stating possibilities here....
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Darmik posted...

He used mounts to shoot into a crowd of 22,000 people. What part requires military training?

Do you know how hard it is to use a rapid fire gun as a sniper weapon? Even with a large crowd you wouldn't do much damage unless you knew what you were doing.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Darmik posted...

He used mounts to shoot into a crowd of 22,000 people. What part requires military training?

Do you know how hard it is to use a rapid fire gun as a sniper weapon? Even with a large crowd you wouldn't do much damage unless you knew what you were doing.

Is there something between 'he knew what he was doing' and 'military training'
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CarlGrimes posted...

Do you know how hard it is to use a rapid fire gun as a sniper weapon? Even with a large crowd you wouldn't do much damage unless you knew what you were doing.

are you familiar with the phrase "fish in a barrel"?

Musourenka posted...

Yeah, it looks like a reverse false flag. Party C is making a false flag saying that Party B is making a false flag to Party A. But then maybe there's another group false flagging C?

Here's a shocking suggestion

Maybe some guy just snapped or something happened in his personal life and so he lashed out at society in a spectacular fashion?

He'd hardly be the first
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Doom_Art posted...

are you familiar with the phrase "fish in a barrel"?

Have you ever fired an automatic weapon?

Darmik posted...

Is there something between 'he knew what he was doing' and 'military training'

The guy had several cameras set up so he could see outside his room. This wasn't some random nut.
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CarlGrimes posted...

The guy had several cameras set up so he could see outside his room. This wasn't some random nut.

So guys who secretly put cameras in toilets are highly trained now? As far as I'm aware it was a camera hidden in a dinner trolley placed in front of his room. Not exactly some Oracle hacker shit.
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Darmik posted...

As far as I'm aware it was a camera hidden in a dinner trolley placed in front of his room. Not exactly some Oracle hacker shit.

Last I heard there were 3 or 4. One on a cart, another on the peep hole, and I think the others were in vents.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Darmik posted...

As far as I'm aware it was a camera hidden in a dinner trolley placed in front of his room. Not exactly some Oracle hacker shit.

Last I heard there were 3 or 4. One on a cart, another on the peep hole, and I think the others were in vents.

So basically anywhere a normal person could put them.
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This guy had help, I know it.
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Darmik posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

Darmik posted...

As far as I'm aware it was a camera hidden in a dinner trolley placed in front of his room. Not exactly some Oracle hacker shit.

Last I heard there were 3 or 4. One on a cart, another on the peep hole, and I think the others were in vents.

So basically anywhere a normal person could put them.

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.
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CarlGrimes posted...

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.

A normal person wouldn't gun down hundreds of people from a hotel room but I don't think that's what you're getting at so why not?
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CarlGrimes posted...

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.

Seems like logical thinking tbh
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Doom_Art posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.

Seems like logical thinking tbh

Yet this is the only time we have seen it in a mass shooting. This is something that is obviously standing out yet you people are trying to play it off as nothing.
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The problems with this being a conspiracy is really simple. I don't know why conspiracy-minded people who play armchair detective lack the most basic skepticism or self-reflection.

-Why would the media make the killer's lack of apparent motive a constant point of discussion?
-Why wouldn't people in on the conspiracy create a motive to quell suspicion?
-Why would people in on the conspiracy leave vague things like a paper on a table?
-Why would they frame and kill somebody who doesn't fit a typical spree shooter profile?
-Why is it that none of these supposed attempts to curtail second amendment freedoms supposedly started by a nefarious deep state ever work out, ever, even in the slightest, even though this supposed crooked deep state include (or involves) "RINOs" like Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, etc. who don't fall totally in line with Daddy Trump over every issue?

Here's what it is: The killer was not a liberal, Islamic, nor ANTIFA. They do not fit the predetermined profile of what (predominantly) far-right conservatives expect, so the particularly crazy ones pitch a fit and decide that, in fact, it was all a massive conspiracy (even if it doesn't make any sense) because this terrorist act couldn't possibly be some that can't be blamed on their political opponents.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Doom_Art posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.

Seems like logical thinking tbh

Yet this is the only time we have seen it in a mass shooting. This is something that is obviously standing out yet you people are trying to play it off as nothing.

Every mass shooting has something unique about it. Doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.

The guy decided to stockpile weapons in a Vegas hotel over the course of several days. In order to do this he used a surveillance camera to avoid the risk of getting caught.

It doesn't make him some military genius with black ops training.
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CarlGrimes posted...

A normal person wouldn't have the foresight to set up a camera network when carrying out a mass shooting.

I'm not sure how you're figuring this. This person had a lot of money at their disposal and carried a significant amount of weaponry, so why is it impractical for them to set up cameras? They have the monetary need and intellect do so based on their apparent wealth.

The number of mass shootings is so low to begin that "firsts" like this don't make the situation suspicious. The key point here is that this shooter was consistently prepared for what they were doing, as public sources have noted, meaning cameras aren't out of place and don't really infer anything beyond "this guy really wanted to do this."
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It was just one dude, maybe with some help, not some government conspiracy

Honestly, ya'll dumb as hell
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pegusus123456 posted...

It was just one dude, maybe with some help, not some government conspiracy

Honestly, ya'll dumb as hell

Even the sheriff thinks he had help. And they're looking for a female accomplice.. sooo something bigger is going on. He had a shit ton of bomb making materials in his car too.

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The key point here is that this shooter was consistently prepared for what they were doing

And that right there stands out. For a guy with no firearms or military training he certainly carried this out like he had it. Camera network, large cache of weapons. This wasn't just some rich nutjob with a few guns.
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CarlGrimes posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The key point here is that this shooter was consistently prepared for what they were doing

And that right there stands out. For a guy with no firearms or military training he certainly carried this out like he had it. Camera network, large cache of weapons. This wasn't just some rich nutjob with a few guns.

It doesn't take military training to set up a camera
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CarlGrimes posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

The key point here is that this shooter was consistently prepared for what they were doing

And that right there stands out. For a guy with no firearms or military training he certainly carried this out like he had it. Camera network, large cache of weapons. This wasn't just some rich nutjob with a few guns.

What kind of military training teaches people how to do a mass shooting?

What about what he id requires military training? Cameras are not designed to need military training. The bump stock is easily available and has plenty of videos on YouTube where people without military training are using them. He lives in America where getting a gun isn't hard and it doesn't sound like any of the purchases were illegal.

So again why isn't it just a rich nutjob with a few guns? You don't need military training to have any sort of creativity.
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October 2016 is when he bought the 33 rifles and they assume some event happened that mentally cause him to buy and they could tell he wanted to survive by what was in his room.

Again the sheriff during the news conference basically just flat out said he had help.

Darmik posted...

What kind of military training teaches people how to do a mass shooting?

Ask the CIA. We know for a fact that they have no problems with carrying out terror attacks against American civilians.
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omg what if he was the punisher IRL guise???????
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metralo posted...

omg what if he was the punisher IRL guise???????

Ironically enough when the sheriff basically said he had help he was like "maybe he is super man." In terms of getting all them weapons in there alone.

CarlGrimes posted...

Darmik posted...

What kind of military training teaches people how to do a mass shooting?

Ask the CIA. We know for a fact that they have no problems with carrying out terror attacks against American civilians.

So no answers for any of my questions. Nice.

"But the CIA can be dodgy sometimes!" isn't an explanation.

You know who else has ad no problems gunning down Americans? Lone psychos with a death wish and access to weaponry.
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Darmik posted...

So no answers for any of my questions. Nice.

Because you obviously don't want to understand.
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Apparently something in October '16, mentally... made him want to buy all them weapons.

Of course they wouldn't say what it is.

Agnostic420 posted...

Apparently something in October '16, mentally... made him want to buy all them weapons.

Of course they wouldn't say what it is.

...because they don't know what it is.
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Serious question:

How come on every single video I've seen on CNN, they show the hotel itself and the area where the room would be, and none of them show any flashes of light or gunfire in any videos I've seen flash across the screen on the news or CNN.

Again there might be a reason for it but I've been looking and I still haven't seen anything.

pegusus123456 posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

Apparently something in October '16, mentally... made him want to buy all them weapons.

Of course they wouldn't say what it is.

...because they don't know what it is.

He knew what it was. He smiled, said yes and then said he couldn't comment...

Agnostic420 posted...

Serious question:

How come on every single video I've seen on CNN, they show the hotel itself and the area where the room would be, and none of them show any flashes of light or gunfire in any videos I've seen flash across the screen on the news or CNN.

Again there might be a reason for it but I've been looking and I still haven't seen anything.

Maybe they don't want to show actual footage of someone murdering people
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pegusus123456 posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

Serious question:

How come on every single video I've seen on CNN, they show the hotel itself and the area where the room would be, and none of them show any flashes of light or gunfire in any videos I've seen flash across the screen on the news or CNN.

Again there might be a reason for it but I've been looking and I still haven't seen anything.

Maybe they don't want to show actual footage of someone murdering people

I'm talking about all of the videos people have sent or posted that show the room and the gunfire going off and you never see any flashes on any of these videos.

pegusus123456 posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

Apparently something in October '16, mentally... made him want to buy all them weapons.

Of course they wouldn't say what it is.

...because they don't know what it is.

And because they don't know what it is means that anyone with an opinion can just draw up any sort of wild theories they want to without reason because they can.

Now because of the internet all of these psychos can group up together and share their horrible opinions on what 'actually' happened, and naive impressionable people read them on the internet and now we've got a new conspiracy theorist on our hands.
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Agnostic420 posted...

I'm talking about all of the videos people have sent or posted that show the room and the gunfire going off and you never see any flashes on any of these videos.

pegusus123456 posted...

Maybe they don't want to show actual footage of someone murdering people

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Agnostic420 posted...

I'm talking about all of the videos people have sent or posted that show the room and the gunfire going off and you never see any flashes on any of these videos.

Because it's not visible in the videos.
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Agnostic420 posted...

He knew what it was. He smiled, said yes and then said he couldn't comment...

jfc you're a wacko
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Schwarber posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

He knew what it was. He smiled, said yes and then said he couldn't comment...

jfc you're a wacko

And apparently you're a completing ****ing moron that shouldn't speak if you didn't even watch the ****in press conference.

Moron.

He was controlled by the government to distract the public! The government also created all the recent hurricanes and earthquakes! They are trying to put the world into panic mode and harvest souls! Trump's election signaled this! It was rigged for him to win because TPTB want chaos! They love the division and bulls*** Republicans are pulling! They're testing us and they know we're dumb and easily manipulated!

Did he twirl his moustache after? That certainly would be dastardly. I bet he's working with the CIA too to cover this up!!
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pegusus123456 posted...

Agnostic420 posted...

I'm talking about all of the videos people have sent or posted that show the room and the gunfire going off and you never see any flashes on any of these videos.

pegusus123456 posted...

Maybe they don't want to show actual footage of someone murdering people

Lol. Showing a muzzleflash is not the same as showing someone getting shot.
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CarlGrimes posted...

And that right there stands out. For a guy with no firearms or military training he certainly carried this out like he had it. Camera network, large cache of weapons. This wasn't just some rich nutjob with a few guns.

He fired into a concert crowd (i.e. a mass of people) from a distance and had an arsenal at his disposal. I'm not sure how he needs military training to do this.
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