Current Events > Vox is defending Antifa, do you agree with them?

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xBloodBrotherx
10/04/17 12:51:00 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TJOjAKL7Qs


7 minute video but the gist comes down to #notallantifa and claiming Antifa violence and such isn't nearly as common as the media makes it out to be and that people need to focus on the message and the group at large.
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Metal_Bomberman
10/04/17 12:58:14 AM
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Yes, yes I do. Fuck nazis and white supremascists
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StucklnMyPants
10/04/17 12:59:14 AM
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The people at Vox are dumb. That's like saying not all neo-Nazis are bad. Is that really the hill you want to die on?
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glitteringfairy
10/04/17 12:59:52 AM
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Metal_Bomberman posted...
Yes, yes I do. Fuck nazis and white supremascists


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TomNook20
10/04/17 1:00:04 AM
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The media certainly does exaggerate and misrepresent things to push their narrative and get views.

And that also applies to Vox.

I thought the ending was particularly stupid where he was saying the "message" gets lost because people focus on the violence instead. That's one of the biggest criticisms of Antifa. As a group it has no real message and commits acts of violence that taint what might otherwise be legitimate protests.

Ultimately they conflate leftist protesters as a whole with Antifa, which ironically is something right wing outlets like Fox do to make the left look bad, only in this case, Vox is doing that to make Antifa look better. Fox, Vox, same difference.
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ProudlyHated87
10/04/17 1:00:27 AM
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vox is a joke website
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discodancer77
10/04/17 1:00:28 AM
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Antifa is bad
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Zikten
10/04/17 1:00:46 AM
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Metal_Bomberman posted...
Yes, yes I do. Fuck nazis and white supremascists

antifa's main goal is not to fight nazis. it's to take over the world. they want to destroy all governments. fighting nazis is a propaganda mission to gain support from liberals
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TomNook20
10/04/17 1:01:53 AM
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MabusIncarnate
10/04/17 1:02:01 AM
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Metal_Bomberman
10/04/17 1:02:27 AM
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StucklnMyPants posted...
The people at Vox are dumb. That's like saying not all neo-Nazis are bad. Is that really the hill you want to die on?


"both sides"

"The people who oppose neo-nazis are the same as the neo-nazis themselves" Imagine believing this.

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xBloodBrotherx
10/05/17 5:19:21 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
My name is beam. I support buildings.

Lol
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The Catgirl Fondler
10/05/17 5:38:50 AM
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Same shit both sides, I wouldn't trust an antifa any more than I would a neo-nazi.
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Banana_Cyanide
10/05/17 5:48:32 AM
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Metal_Bomberman posted...
"both sides"

"The people who oppose neo-nazis are the same as the neo-nazis themselves" Imagine believing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhGYo9TExU

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Keith_Valentine
10/05/17 6:02:55 AM
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They're a bunch of dirty nobodies. They want revolution because they're fuckin losers.
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lowtides
10/05/17 6:05:19 AM
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Kineth
10/05/17 6:06:19 AM
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Considering that it is Antifa v. white supremacist organizations and not just Antifa by itself, I really don't care about any criticisms against them. I'm fine with any group that's against the types of goals and beliefs that are common amongst any supremacist groups. The type of character assassination being attempted on them is the same that was used against BLM, the Black Panthers and, to a slightly lesser extent, the 99% protests. Never any arguing about the issue itself, only rhetoric and propaganda propagated by selected/selective media aimed at discrediting the speaker so the voice is not listened to.
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DifferentialEquation
10/05/17 6:40:49 AM
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Antifa is a shit group. If you want to excuse them because they're not as bad as Nazis, then you can excuse just about any group in existence on that basis.

Also, I guarantee that if a group like the NRA started encouraging people to go around punching nazis, the left wouldn't all of a sudden love the NRA. The real reason the left loves Antifa is because they use violence, intimidation, etc. in an attempt to silence anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton . Antifa does the dirty work that average leftist wants to do but doesn't want to admit to and is too much of a coward to do on their own.
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The Admiral
10/05/17 6:48:53 AM
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Vox is a clickbait site where insecure liberals get to read articles that confirm their worldview and make them feel less insane for constantly having to defend issues that seemingly violate their principles. So even though Antifa behaves worse than these "Nazis" in many cases and embraces an ideology (Communism) that killed more people than Naziism, they can still maintain their virtues and proudly signal by pretending Antifa is about combatting the world's greatest evil -- racism.

The rest of us just roll our eyes or laugh at them, but thus reassurance is critical to keeping many of them from snapping.
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Newhopes
10/05/17 6:55:15 AM
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Terrorists.
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Polycosm
10/05/17 7:05:14 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
If you want to excuse them because they're not as bad as Nazis, then you can excuse just about any group in existence on that basis.

I agree with this. Antifa is a violent group which shows up to rallies in paramilitary gear, commits arson and calls in bomb threats. The SF bay area Antifa group did all three of these this year and no other regional Antifa leaders have denounced it. The entire movement is poison.

But congrats to them for being better than Nazis, I guess.
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SuperShake666
10/05/17 7:10:45 AM
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Banana_Cyanide posted...
Metal_Bomberman posted...
"both sides"

"The people who oppose neo-nazis are the same as the neo-nazis themselves" Imagine believing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AhGYo9TExU


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Lorenzo_2003
10/05/17 7:40:03 AM
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Fuck Nazis. Fuck Antifa.

See, guys? It is totally possible to recognize both as garbage. Does that mean they are equal or whatever it is you want to argue so that one doesn't look so bad by comparison? No. Nazis have a horrible legacy. Antifa just started building up their own brand of anarchist, pro-censorship and violent movement.
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thelovefist
10/05/17 7:59:10 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Fuck Nazis. Fuck Antifa.

See, guys? It is totally possible to recognize both as garbage. Does that mean they are equal or whatever it is you want to argue so that one doesn't look so bad by comparison? No. Nazis have a horrible legacy. Antifa just started building up their own brand of anarchist, pro-censorship and violent movement.

Pretty much this
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myzz007
10/05/17 8:06:43 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Fuck Nazis. Fuck Antifa.

See, guys? It is totally possible to recognize both as garbage. Does that mean they are equal or whatever it is you want to argue so that one doesn't look so bad by comparison? No. Nazis have a horrible legacy. Antifa just started building up their own brand of anarchist, pro-censorship and violent movement.

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FL81
10/05/17 8:52:48 AM
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I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism
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Kineth
10/05/17 8:56:06 AM
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FL81 posted...
I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism


Eh, one or both of those are tied to millions of deaths actually. Unless Stalin doesn't exist anymore.
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Esrac
10/05/17 9:56:38 AM
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Kineth posted...
FL81 posted...
I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism


Eh, one or both of those are tied to millions of deaths actually. Unless Stalin doesn't exist anymore.


No shit, dude. That's why he said he doesn't support them.

"I support the ideology that isn't responsible for tens of millions of death.

I.E. not communism or fascism."

As I see it, he is saying he doesn't support either the Nazis, because they're fascist, or Antifa, because they're communist.
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Kineth
10/05/17 9:58:03 AM
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Esrac posted...
Kineth posted...
FL81 posted...
I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism


Eh, one or both of those are tied to millions of deaths actually. Unless Stalin doesn't exist anymore.


No shit, dude. That's why he said he doesn't support them.

"I support the ideology that isn't responsible for tens of millions of death.

I.E. not communism or fascism."

As I see it, he is saying he doesn't support either the Nazis, because they're fascist, or Antifa, because they're communist.


Hmm, yeah, I probably read that wrong.
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CarlGrimes
10/07/17 4:53:58 AM
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Metal_Bomberman posted...
Yes, yes I do. Fuck nazis and white supremascists

Yes, because the commies are so much better.
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Gamer99z
10/07/17 6:09:21 AM
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Kineth posted...
Esrac posted...
Kineth posted...
FL81 posted...
I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism


Eh, one or both of those are tied to millions of deaths actually. Unless Stalin doesn't exist anymore.


No shit, dude. That's why he said he doesn't support them.

"I support the ideology that isn't responsible for tens of millions of death.

I.E. not communism or fascism."

As I see it, he is saying he doesn't support either the Nazis, because they're fascist, or Antifa, because they're communist.


Hmm, yeah, I probably read that wrong.

No I see what you mean, he phrased it in a way that could be interpreted as him saying Communism and fascism aren't the ideology he's referring to that's responsible for that many deaths.
If that is what he means then it's kinda unintentionally hilarious since Communism is tied to more deaths than the Holocaust.
Maybe you should clarify @FL81
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FL81
10/07/17 1:58:52 PM
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Esrac posted...
Kineth posted...
FL81 posted...
I for one support the ideology not responsible for tens of millions of deaths

Hint: it's not communism or fascism


Eh, one or both of those are tied to millions of deaths actually. Unless Stalin doesn't exist anymore.


No shit, dude. That's why he said he doesn't support them.

"I support the ideology that isn't responsible for tens of millions of death.

I.E. not communism or fascism."

As I see it, he is saying he doesn't support either the Nazis, because they're fascist, or Antifa, because they're communist.

This is what I was going for

this is what I get for staying up until 6 AM posting on CE ;>_>
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