Current Events > Neo-Nazi has swastika tattoos removed after befriending overweight black woman.

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Guide posted...

But then you do this weird thing.

He's doing that on purpose. Take him with a grain of salt. Make jokes at his expense. Or just ignore him altogether. Any of those approaches is fine.
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If you don't think their opinion is worth defending then literally one of the stupidest things you can do is make them look sympathetic and smarter/more logical than you by attacking people.

If someone says "I think x" and your retort is to attack them, they have won that debate regardless of what they said.

If you truly think their idealogy is so harmful, why are you passionately empowering it and weakening the counters?

Why are you unable to point out the flaws and dangers in their opinions rationally?

If someone tells me they think Vaccines cause austim my response is not to attack them, and if I did the only garantee would be that anti-vax would gain credibility.

Why do you think Spain right now is beating people up and stealing ballet boxes? Because they are so darn right?

You're acting like an infant
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A_Good_Boy posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

But it's pretty hypocritical for you to wish that those people would just have an honest conversation with neo-nazis while at the same time posting dishonest replies about the dangers posed by those that follow their ideology.

And he was never seen again

fair point
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UnfairRepresent posted...

If you don't think their opinion is worth defending then literally one of the stupidest things you can do is make them look sympathetic and smarter/more logical than you by attacking people.

If someone says "I think x" and your retort is to attack them, they have won that debate regardless of what they said.

If you truly think their idealogy is so harmful, why are you passionately empowering it and weakening the counters?

Why are you unable to point out the flaws and dangers in their opinions rationally?

If someone tells me they think Vaccines cause austim my response is not to attack them, and if I did the only garantee would be that anti-vax would gain credibility.

Why do you think Spain right now is beating people up and stealing ballet boxes? Because they are so darn right?

You're acting like an infant

Pretty sure you're the one throwing the tantrum, buddy.

I'm not in favor of violence, I just have no sympathy for Nazis who get punched. Not once have I said it's a good thing to punch them, though.
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That_Happened posted...

I'm not in favor of violence,

The fact you spend large portions of your life passionately arguing for how it is okay to be violent to people who disagree with you and downplaying that logic and reason changes minds even against overwhelming evidence to the contrary, i'd say you absolutely are very much in favor of violence.

You're also just a deeply dishonest person.

But don't worry, even though we disagree about your justifications for violence, I'm not going to attack you over it.
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literally just said he's not in favor of the violence
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You're also just a deeply dishonest person.

Irony!

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

literally just said he's not in favor of the violence

Try not to take that guy too seriously. His gimmick is obvious.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

literally just said he's not in favor of the violence

Instead he just defended and justified it at length while downplaying and demonizing not being violent and having reasonable discussion.

Our views of "not in favor" differ and as a result he'd "Not be in favor but also would not be sympathetic" if a gaggle of his friends jumped me and broke my legs with a large block of wood
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Instead he just defended and justified it at length while downplaying and demonizing not being violent and having reasonable discussion.

While you downplay genocide and respond with dishonest arguments on why people should hold frank discussions with nazis. No wonder why you're such a child.
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Bagamak posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

This is what happens when your reaction is not to punch other humans beings CE.

Antifa doesn't care. they don't want to forgive or give a chance for redemption. they probably still hate this man. Antifa just wants to engage in violence, and they will use anything they can find to excuse it and justify the punch.

Right they are anarchists.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

with dishonest arguments on why people should hold frank discussions with nazis.

If Wade Watts had childishly attacked the KKK an entire chapter would be alive and well today
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UnfairRepresent posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

with dishonest arguments on why people should hold frank discussions with nazis.

If Wade Watts had childishly attacked the KKK an entire chapter would be alive and well today

bolded for emphasis
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creativerealms posted...

Bagamak posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

This is what happens when your reaction is not to punch other humans beings CE.

Antifa doesn't care. they don't want to forgive or give a chance for redemption. they probably still hate this man. Antifa just wants to engage in violence, and they will use anything they can find to excuse it and justify the punch.

Right they are anarchists.

which is why liberals need to stop supporting them and treating them like an ally

UnfairRepresent posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

with dishonest arguments on why people should hold frank discussions with nazis.

If Wade Watts had childishly attacked the KKK an entire chapter would be alive and well today

Childish and illiterate. What a combination.
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Don't: Instigate violence, provoke violence, threaten others.
Do: Defend yourself from violence, defend yourself from threats.

This is what most people were taught "when they were 3." Violence should be a last resort, but if someone else is making you feel like your safety is in danger you do what you have to do. But if it makes you feel better Unfairrepresent if I or my "gaggle of friends" ever come up to you and say "we're gonna kick your ass because we don't like the color of your tshirt," (not that we would but still) we definitely don't expect you to wait like a sitting duck. Feel free to take the first swing and defend yourself.
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Bagamak posted...

which is why liberals need to stop supporting them and treating them like an ally

I am a liberal and I agree with you. Antifa are shit.
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That_Happened posted...

Don't: Instigate violence, provoke violence, threaten others.
Do: Defend yourself from violence, defend yourself from threats.

"That guys disagees with me" is not a threat.

A man coming at you with a knife going "I'm going to stab you" is a threat.

A guy sitting on a bus wearing a "I hate immigrants" T-shirt is not.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That_Happened posted...

Don't: Instigate violence, provoke violence, threaten others.
Do: Defend yourself from violence, defend yourself from threats.

"That guys disagees with me" is not a threat.

A man coming at you with a knife going "I'm going to stab you" is a threat.

A guy sitting on a bus wearing a "I hate immigrants" T-shirt is not.

Antifa fans like to say that Nazis simply existing at all makes them a threat. They think they have to do self defense against a man just sitting on a bus

UnfairRepresent posted...

"That guys disagees with me" is not a threat.

That_Happened posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Genocide isn't up for debate and I don't know why keep on acting like it is.

Yeah that the first sign you can just completely disregard someone's opinion. When they think advocating genocide is equal to "having a disagreement."

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It's really not fair that the onus for inciting change falls on the victims, but sitting around expecting the other side to change in situations like this is almost destined to fail.
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https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/903033886585888768
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Sphyx posted...

It's really not fair that the onus for inciting change falls on the victims

I don't see how this lady the man has befriended is a victim.
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That's not to say there's anything wrong with backing down scared when someone threatens you with bodily harm. Wade Watts was very lucky to joke his way out of danger, but most of the time people are just too weak to stand up for themselves. Being a coward isn't so bad as long as you find a way to stay alive. But I've found you've got a better chance of not being fucked with if you actually do stand up and protect yourself.
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Sphyx posted...

It's really not fair that the onus for inciting change falls on the victims, but sitting around expecting the other side to change in situations like this is almost destined to fail.

Cause he thinks that genocide is a priori position and the potential victims of neo-nazis must justify their lives in the face of their argument.
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That_Happened posted...

Wade Watts was very lucky to joke his way out of danger,

Wasn't luck.

It was intelligence and bravery.

Only a coward fears opposing ideas so much that they resort to violence.
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Pointless pedantry isn't doing you any favours, UR.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Only a coward fears opposing ideas

That_Happened posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Genocide isn't up for debate and I don't know why keep on acting like it is.

Yeah that the first sign you can just completely disregard someone's opinion. When they think advocating genocide is equal to "having a disagreement."

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And pray tell how many acts of genocide did the man listening to music on the bus commit? How many acts of genocide did the man in the OP who was easily pulled to equality due to kindess commit? The man who was openly a Nazi.

Or the libertarian who got pepper-sprayed?

You seem to think very very very childish semantic games going "It's not that they disagree with my opinion. It's that they disagree with my opinion. NAZIS! GENOCIDE! See It's okay to attack them now because I shouted the bad words."

That's just the same thing but you've chosen colorful words you don't even seem to understand just to cover for the fact you're emotional, cowardly and support violence because your parents did a poor job raising you.

Never forget that as you make excuses literally thousands if not millions of Americans right now are calling the current president of the United States a Nazi or worse.

It really is just justifying violence because a man disagrees with you and you're too cowardly or too incompotent to challenge them directly, or else too immature to just walk away.

Remember Christians believe in an eternal afterlife of torment. That is eternity of suffering, pain, agony and torture. And this is a place that millions go to. A fate worse than death, a fate worse than Genocide, the ultimate evil fate. And they think and often want you or others to go there.

The opinion is objectively worse. That doesn't make it okay for Atheists to go around beating the shit out of Christians because they disagree.

Your trigger words are not a defense of anything, they are a very weak, very childish evasion out of fear.
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No, UR, no matter how hard you scream you're not going to position Jews, black people, or other minorities into placing themselves into a precarious argumentative position where they have to justify their lives in the face of nazis trying to enact genocide. You can call us childish for not wanting to swing from trees by our necks as much as you want but you've already demonstrated that you're an illiterate child throwing temper tantrums.

"Why don't you just go talk down that crowd of people wanting to murder you and your family? If you can't then that just means you deserve what happens to you." is the position of a sociopath and you need to seek help before you get someone killed.
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Metal_Bomberman posted...

https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/903033886585888768

Lol classic
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That_Happened posted...

Metal_Bomberman posted...

https://twitter.com/historyinflicks/status/903033886585888768

Lol classic

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Your argument is silly.

If a crowd of people are trying to kill your family call the police.

But going "ITs okay to go beat up that guy I don't know and have never met and refuse to talk to and demand no one else talks to because he has a different opinion and I am afraid of talking to him and am too childish to ignore him" is madness.

Do you have the intelligence to realize that if you cowardly punched the man in the OP in the face he'd still be a nazi right now? Probably a more aggressive one?

If Wade Watts had a whole chapter of the KKK would still exist

If your dad had beat up your mom you would never have been born.

That's not how civilized people act or grow.
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You talk about civilized people in the same post where you advocate that minorities need to justify their lives to nazis. That's sick bro, get some help. Somebody is going to come to you for help one day because they're being pursued by a mob of assailants with tiki torches and hoods over their faces. I hope for their sake you give them sanctuary instead of a soapbox.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

You talk about civilized people in the same post where you advocate that minorities need to justify their lives to nazis. That's sick bro, get some help. Somebody is going to come to you for help one day because they're being pursued by a mob of assailants with tiki torches and hoods over their faces. I hope for their sake you give them sanctuary instead of a soapbox.

if they are being threatened, then I would help them. but I am not going to punch someone just cause a minority says "help! help! these nazis over there are standing around minding their own business! I'm scared!"

I sympathize that they hate the nazis. but until the nazis do more than just march or talk, they are not threats and they are obeying US laws. you are too emotional. and irrational. it's illegal to physically attack someone that is peacefully having an opinion

Bagamak posted...

I sympathize that they hate the nazis. but until the nazis do more than just march or talk, they are not threats and they are obeying US laws

The most recent one got punched after he harassed a black guy on a bus, then threw a banana at a different man and called him an "ape" before yelling hate speech Alex Jones style at passersby. The Nazis in Charlottesville were marching with weapons and threatening people. None of this is "minding their own business" or "having a peaceful opinion" and several of these things are not obeying US law. So would you like to try again?

Also what you're suggesting is that the people who do not threaten others and only attack when threatened are "too emotional" but the Nazis who are literally carrying weapons, throwing bananas, and screaming at innocent people unprovoked are "peacefully having an opinion."
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That_Happened posted...

Bagamak posted...

I sympathize that they hate the nazis. but until the nazis do more than just march or talk, they are not threats and they are obeying US laws

The most recent one got punched after he harassed a black guy on a bus, then threw a banana at a different man and called him an "ape" before yelling hate speech Alex Jones style at passersby. The Nazis in Charlottesville were marching with weapons and threatening people. None of this is "minding their own business" or "having a peaceful opinion" and several of these things are not obeying US law. So would you like to try again?

for the bus one: that is still not violent. shouting and throwing fruit is not enough to warrant violence

as for the march, the only person I saw doing violence was the guy that ran over someone and that guy is in prison now where he belongs.

I will say it again. if I was standing on a street corner and a Jewish guy ran up to me and pointed at some nazis eating hot dogs at a hot dog stand and talking to each other and said "omg! go punch them!" I would not do it

UR ive got two questions

Is doesn committing violence make you worse than the racist ?

Why is it the responsibility of the person getting told racist things to be the bigger person ?
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gamepimp12 posted...

UR ive got two questions

Is doesn committing violence make you worse than the racist ?

Why is it the responsibility of the person getting told racist things to be the bigger person ?

because they need to keep their cool. think of it as a citizenship test. if you can't contain yourself from going all psycho just cause someone says words to you, then you don't belong free on the streets where you might end up hurting someone. you can't be trusted if you can't control yourself

Bagamak posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

UR ive got two questions

Is doesn committing violence make you worse than the racist ?

Why is it the responsibility of the person getting told racist things to be the bigger person ?

because they need to keep their cool. think of it as a citizenship test. if you can't contain yourself from going all psycho just cause someone says words to you, then you don't belong free on the streets where you might end up hurting someone. you can't be trusted if you can't control yourself

So you're also another sociopath that thinks minorities need to justify why they don't deserve to die in the face of nazis. Man, what's up with this topic and its sickos?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

So you're also another sociopath that thinks minorities need to justify why they don't deserve to die in the face of nazis. Man, what's up with this topic and its sickos?

how am I the sociopath when I am proposing peace? I'm the one saying to not attack people over words. that's not something a sociopath says. the sociopath is the one who can't handle hearing words and has to try to kill someone

if the nazis are trying to kill, then they are in the wrong. but if they are just marching and chanting. or if they are just hanging out somewhere minding their own business and someone spots their tattoo... you should not attack them. that's psychotic to attack people just cause you don't like what they said or their tattoo. act more mature, realize they have the right to free speech and let it go. and if you see them attack someone then call the cops. but you have no right to try to kill them just cause you don't like them

Bagamak posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

So you're also another sociopath that thinks minorities need to justify why they don't deserve to die in the face of nazis. Man, what's up with this topic and its sickos?

how am I the sociopath when I am proposing peace? I'm the one saying to not attack people over words. that's not something a sociopath says. the sociopath is the one who can't handle hearing words and has to try to kill someone

if the nazis are trying to kill, then they are in the wrong. but if they are just marching and chanting. or if they are just hanging out somewhere minding their own business and someone spots their tattoo... you should not attack them. that's psychotic to attack people just cause you don't like what they said or their tattoo. act more mature, realize they have the right to free speech and let it go. and if you see them attack someone then call the cops. but you have no right to try to kill them just cause you don't like them

You think neo-nazis advocating for genocide is just a frank discussion. Yup, just as barbaric as UR. I'm glad the rest of society doesn't tolerate their crap like the way you want us too. Neo-nazis are in hiding cause their views are vile and abhorrent. It's gross that you think they should be entertained and coddled. Maybe one day you'll grow up and won't find lynching to be a joke like UR does. Or maybe you won't and you'll have to hide your face when you go out in public, just like the precious neo-nazis that you think are so super civilized.
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I don't link lynching is a joke. but point to me when is the last time someone was lynched in america

and why would I need to hide my face? I'm no nazi and I don't even have a single tattoo of anything.

So how many white supremacists have you converted away from racism again? Last week you said you infiltrated 2-3 white supremacist groups or something.
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Bagamak posted...

I don't link lynching is a joke. but point to me when is the last time someone was lynched in america

and why would I need to hide my face? I'm no nazi and I don't even have a single tattoo of anything.

Why should I assign white supremacists any sort of respect just because you think they haven't killed anyone lately? What kind of position is that where you think they should be respected at all for that? Do you let your kids play with rabid dogs just because you don't know the last time it bit someone?
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I would never associate with a white supremacist. I am just saying not to punch them. as vile as they are, they have rights in america. If you don;t like it, move to Canada

Bagamak posted...

That_Happened posted...

Bagamak posted...

I sympathize that they hate the nazis. but until the nazis do more than just march or talk, they are not threats and they are obeying US laws

The most recent one got punched after he harassed a black guy on a bus, then threw a banana at a different man and called him an "ape" before yelling hate speech Alex Jones style at passersby. The Nazis in Charlottesville were marching with weapons and threatening people. None of this is "minding their own business" or "having a peaceful opinion" and several of these things are not obeying US law. So would you like to try again?

for the bus one: that is still not violent. shouting and throwing fruit is not enough to warrant violence

as for the march, the only person I saw doing violence was the guy that ran over someone and that guy is in prison now where he belongs.

I will say it again. if I was standing on a street corner and a Jewish guy ran up to me and pointed at some nazis eating hot dogs at a hot dog stand and talking to each other and said "omg! go punch them!" I would not do it

And I will say it again: we're not talking about a couple of nazis peacefully eating hot dogs and talking to each other. We're talking about a large group of nazis marching with weapons and threatening people. We're talking about a nazi on a bus harassing people and throwing things at them.

So why can't you stop being dishonest? Why can't you use the real-life examples given to you instead of taking them and changing them from "violent, threatening antagonists carrying weapons" to "calm hot dog consumers?" And again, why do you feel the need to defend Nazis? I'd like answers to all of the above questions, plz.
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Why do Unfair's topics always derail like this?
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That_Happened posted...

We're talking about a large group of nazis marching with weapons and threatening people.

I never read every detail of charlotteville but the only violence from nazis that I heard of was 1 guy running 1 person over and then going to prison. case closed

That_Happened posted...

We're talking about a nazi on a bus harassing people and throwing things at them.

throwing fruit is not violent enough to warrant self defense. it's fucking fruit. dodge it or block it and call the cops and move on.

That_Happened posted...

why do you feel the need to defend Nazis?

because nobody will do it. there was a famous poem or something that asked "who then will pray for the biggest sinner of them all, Satan?"

someone has to stand up for their rights. as long as they are peaceful, they deserve the same rights as everyone else. in america you can say anything you want.

Bagamak posted...

I never read every detail of charlotteville but the only violence from nazis that I heard of was 1 guy running 1 person over and then going to prison. case closed

Correction: 1 guy running 20 people over and killing 1.

Clearly you didn't read about the most notable event of the riot.
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