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What's the deal with white people who claim to be non-racist but don't want to give black people the recognition and reprimands for having their ancestors profit from others?

Its like going to restaurant and eating, but in the middle of it, a divider in the middle of the establishment is opened up, and you see all these people with less food than you. They ask you for some food, because the restaurant isn't serving any more food, and their portions weren't enough to stave the hunger. They were promised a larger amount.

So then you say no, even though you realized that some of the food you have on your plate came off of theirs before it left the kitchen. Then you dare to say that you agree that they deserve more food, but its stupid cause the store has no more left.
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Lets say their ancestors suffered because of slavery, then it's still ignorant for only black people to deserve reprimands.

Slavery existed, white people were slaves too, or why do you think here in Europe, we have "Slavic" countries?

Also, look to Africa.

The abolishment of slavery, is proof that we deemed it inhuman, to say the least. How would giving people money for what happened so long ago, by people who aren't alive today, make things better? No alive today in the US or EU has to deal with what happened back then.
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So the restaurant chain should pay a big sum of money 150 years later because they messed up their food order?
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So basically every white person who doesn't agree with reparations is racist to you. It would have been shorter to just say that
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Yeah keep making white people who had nothing to do with slavery give money to minorities. That'll get rid of racism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tanz1IxVpVA
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Nazanir posted...

Lets say their ancestors suffered because of slavery, then it's still ignorant for only black people to deserve reprimands.

Slavery existed, white people were slaves too, or why do you think here in Europe, we have "Slavic" countries?

Um...this is America. Reparations are done by America to Black Americans because they were slaves. There were no European slaves in America.

You realize it's not worldwide but a country thing right?
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Dragonblade01 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tanz1IxVpVA

Jesus fucking Christ
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because my family never owned slaves. so why do I owe them money?

also at least black people still exist. I'd rather give more money to the few native americans left, to apologize for driving them to near extinction

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Its like going to restaurant and eating, but in the middle of it, a divider in the middle of the establishment is opened up, and you see all these people with less food than you. They ask you for some food, because the restaurant isn't serving any more food, and their portions weren't enough to stave the hunger. They were promised a larger amount.

So then you say no, even though you realized that some of the food you have on your plate came off of theirs before it left the kitchen. Then you dare to say that you agree that they deserve more food, but its stupid cause the store has no more left.

But it isn't like that because you're using the same people from before and after the change. It would only be applicable to people who lived during the abolition of slavery.
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To be fair though, slavery isn't the only reason to have reparations. There are people alive who experienced the Civil Rights era. Being beaten and treated as second-class citizens, they are still alive.
Rosa Parks and MLK's wife only died ~ten years ago. They passed on their experiences to their children and their grandchildren.
Maybe when our grandchildren are what's left of us, then we can talk about how we're equal, but until the memories of segregation are only from history textbooks, it still is relevant today.
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My ancestors didn't arrive until well after the abolition of slavery. Why should I give reparations?

In no way have I benefited from slavery in the US.
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Because most white people are descendents of immigrants who weren't slave owners.
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I'm pretty sure that most white Americans living today don't have ancestors that profited off of black slavery. My ancestors came over on Ellis Island, and were British, Czechoslovakian, Italian, and Polish Jewish.

iPhone_7 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tanz1IxVpVA

Jesus fucking Christ

Reminds me of a cult leader and his cult.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

To be fair though, slavery isn't the only reason to have reparations. There are people alive who experienced the Civil Rights era. Being beaten and treated as second-class citizens, they are still alive.
Rosa Parks and MLK's wife only died ~ten years ago. They passed on their experiences to their children and their grandchildren.
Maybe when our grandchildren are what's left of us, then we can talk about how we're equal, but until the memories of segregation are only from history textbooks, it still is relevant today.

Maybe we can have this argument when black people only commit around 13% of the violent crime in America.
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To be clear, reparations is a claim against the state, not "white people." When reparations were given to those who were held in internment camps during WW2, they didn't pay them out with a separate pool of "white tax money, only from people who were in the country during WW2." Similarly, when police brutality cases are settled, that money comes from the general fund, even though the vast majority of people are not police. Believe what you will about the merits of the claim, but let's first grasp the concept.
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troll topic #2638382627 on this subject
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darkjedilink posted...

Maybe we can have this argument when black people only commit around 13% of the violent crime in America.

Why do you think it is that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Do you think it might reflect the disproportionate, concentrated poverty they face, or do you have alternative explanations?
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Nazanir posted...

Lets say their ancestors suffered because of slavery, then it's still ignorant for only black people to deserve reprimands.

Slavery existed, white people were slaves too, or why do you think here in Europe, we have "Slavic" countries?

Dumb post

White people weren't slaves simply because they were white, and weren't seen as "lesser people" due to the fact that they were white.

Black people were, and were also seen as lesser people because they were black.
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Just be grateful you where sold to whites rather than the Muslims....

More whining and complaining, just what the world needs. The past is the past, leave people alone that had nothing to do with it. You got old statues take down because they hurt you, and that's history, so erase it.
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Nazanir posted...

Lets say their ancestors suffered because of slavery, then it's still ignorant for only black people to deserve reprimands.

Slavery existed, white people were slaves too, or why do you think here in Europe, we have "Slavic" countries?

Also, look to Africa.

The abolishment of slavery, is proof that we deemed it inhuman, to say the least. How would giving people money for what happened so long ago, by people who aren't alive today, make things better? No alive today in the US or EU has to deal with what happened back then.

Slavic does not mean slave wtf lol
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Antifar posted...

To be clear, reparations is a claim against the state, not "white people." When reparations were given to those who were held in internment camps during WW2, they didn't pay them out with a separate pool of "white tax money, only from people who were in the country during WW2." Similarly, when police brutality cases are settled, that money comes from the general fund, even though the vast majority of people are not police. Believe what you will about the merits of the claim, but let's first grasp the concept.

But, in those examples, reparations were given to people ACTUALLY HELD in internment camps.

At no point were black people offered reparations. Why should people get them now?
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darkjedilink posted...

But, in those examples, reparations were given to people ACTUALLY HELD in internment camps.

At no point were black people offered reparations. Why should people get them now?

There are people alive today who suffered loss of wealth because of federally sanctioned redlining policies, and housing discrimination. There are people alive today who can remember being denied the right to vote under Jim Crow.
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Antifar posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Maybe we can have this argument when black people only commit around 13% of the violent crime in America.

Why do you think it is that black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime? Do you think it might reflect the disproportionate, concentrated poverty they face, or do you have alternative explanations?

It isn't poverty, because the crime rates don't proportionately affect poor whites, Asians, or Latinos.
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In my case it's because I don't want my non racism to be measured in how much I'm giving someone. It reminds me too much of an emotionally abusive relative of mine that's always judged how much she's loved by who's giving her the most stuff and attention. I'm not falling for it again.
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Antifar posted...

darkjedilink posted...

But, in those examples, reparations were given to people ACTUALLY HELD in internment camps.

At no point were black people offered reparations. Why should people get them now?

There are people alive today who suffered loss of wealth because of federally sanctioned redlining policies, and housing discrimination. There are people alive today who can remember being denied the right to vote under Jim Crow.

And did anyone in any position to make it happen promise them reparations?
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darkjedilink posted...

My ancestors didn't arrive until well after the abolition of slavery. Why should I give reparations?

In no way have I benefited from slavery in the US.

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darkjedilink posted...

And did anyone in any position to make it happen promise them reparations?

Did anyone promise the Japanese reparations when they were interned? It's generally not something you promise ahead of time.
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Antifar posted...

darkjedilink posted...

And did anyone in any position to make it happen promise them reparations?

Did anyone promise the Japanese reparations when they were interned? It's generally not something you promise ahead of time.

No. They were promised it upon released.

Were black people promised reparations by the US government at any time?

No.
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Reprimands? Did you mean reparations?

In any case, I don't really give a fuck about ancestors, mine or otherwise.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Its like going to restaurant and eating, but in the middle of it, a divider in the middle of the establishment is opened up, and you see all these people with less food than you.

This is the worst analogy i've ever read. I wish I could reparation you some education.
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I don't like how certain people use "we" to include themselves in the good deeds of people who they and/or their ancestors opposed. but all of the sudden want to be an individual when it's time to talk about ethnic privilege.

it's hard to see where people stand when they keep hopping the fence depending on which grass is greener at the time.
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Hey posted...

darkjedilink posted...

My ancestors didn't arrive until well after the abolition of slavery. Why should I give reparations?

In no way have I benefited from slavery in the US.

Actually you did. Literally everything in the South and most things in the North (due to being propped up by slavery in the South) is a benefit of slave work. So literally anything enjoyed in America is benefiting from slavery.

That said, no one said normal people should pay. The gov't should pay as they did Japanese people for the internment camps, Native Americans for their genocide, and (for some reason) Holocaust survivors.

darkjedilink posted...

Were black people promised reparations by the US government at any time?

40 acres and a mule.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I don't like how certain people use "we" to include themselves in the good deeds of people who they and/or their ancestors opposed. but all of the sudden want to be an individual when it's time to talk about ethnic privilege.

it's hard to see where people stand when they keep hopping the fence depending on which grass is greener at the time.

Or how some people claim white people have no culture and should stop discussing their ancestry, but should pay reparations because they suddenly represent their ancestors in that case.
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darkjedilink posted...

They were promised it upon released.

This did not happen
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I don't like how certain people use "we" to include themselves in the good deeds of people who they and/or their ancestors opposed. but all of the sudden want to be an individual when it's time to talk about ethnic privilege.

it's hard to see where people stand when they keep hopping the fence depending on which grass is greener at the time.

Or how some people claim white people have no culture and should stop discussing their ancestry, but should pay reparations because they suddenly represent their ancestors in that case.

I've never heard of anybody making those arguments together, tbh.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I don't like how certain people use "we" to include themselves in the good deeds of people who they and/or their ancestors opposed. but all of the sudden want to be an individual when it's time to talk about ethnic privilege.

it's hard to see where people stand when they keep hopping the fence depending on which grass is greener at the time.

Or how some people claim white people have no culture and should stop discussing their ancestry, but should pay reparations because they suddenly represent their ancestors in that case.

I've never heard of anybody making those arguments together, tbh.

...well of course not. They're contradictory statements. They wouldn't say them in the same breath.
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Not every white person has ancestors that were slave owners in America and not every black person has ancestors that were slaves in America, so that's one thing. Plus I think people deserve to be treated like individuals, not punished for the actions of their ancestors and especially not punished as a whole race because of what people of that race did. Racism sucks but if you personally have nothing to do with it, then its not right for you to suffer for it. I don't think that's fair to anyone.

So, this topic isn't trolling.

GameFAQs moderators.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Hey posted...

darkjedilink posted...

My ancestors didn't arrive until well after the abolition of slavery. Why should I give reparations?

In no way have I benefited from slavery in the US.

Actually you did. Literally everything in the South and most things in the North (due to being propped up by slavery in the South) is a benefit of slave work. So literally anything enjoyed in America is benefiting from slavery.

That said, no one said normal people should pay. The gov't should pay as they did Japanese people for the internment camps, Native Americans for their genocide, and (for some reason) Holocaust survivors.

darkjedilink posted...

Were black people promised reparations by the US government at any time?

40 acres and a mule.

A US Army general cannot make civilian policy.
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darkjedilink posted...

A US Army general cannot make civilian policy.

But he is part of the government and he did promise things. Just because he tricked them or did it incorrectly/not the legal way, doesn't mean that the gov't didn't promise them reparations.

LJRENEGADE posted...

Not every white person has ancestors that were slave owners in America and not every black person has ancestors that were slaves in America, so that's one thing. Plus I think people deserve to be treated like individuals, not punished for the actions of their ancestors and especially not punished as a whole race because of what people of that race did. Racism sucks but if you personally have nothing to do with it, then its not right for you to suffer for it. I don't think that's fair to anyone.

Again, the people don't pay or suffer. Literally only the country/government does.
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Knowledge_King posted...

LJRENEGADE posted...

Not every white person has ancestors that were slave owners in America and not every black person has ancestors that were slaves in America, so that's one thing. Plus I think people deserve to be treated like individuals, not punished for the actions of their ancestors and especially not punished as a whole race because of what people of that race did. Racism sucks but if you personally have nothing to do with it, then its not right for you to suffer for it. I don't think that's fair to anyone.

Again, the people don't pay or suffer. Literally only the country/government does.

That's not how the topic was worded, but if that's the case, then I think that's a much more reasonable thing.

Afaik my ancestors were poor af. They didn't have any damn slaves. I don't think they even lived in the states during the times of slavery. I believe my moms great grandma didn't even speak English.
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Knowledge_King posted...

darkjedilink posted...

A US Army general cannot make civilian policy.

But he is part of the government and he did promise things. Just because he tricked them or did it incorrectly/not the legal way, doesn't mean that the gov't didn't promise them reparations.

LJRENEGADE posted...

Not every white person has ancestors that were slave owners in America and not every black person has ancestors that were slaves in America, so that's one thing. Plus I think people deserve to be treated like individuals, not punished for the actions of their ancestors and especially not punished as a whole race because of what people of that race did. Racism sucks but if you personally have nothing to do with it, then its not right for you to suffer for it. I don't think that's fair to anyone.

Again, the people don't pay or suffer. Literally only the country/government does.

The people don't pay? Who the fuck do you think the government steals their money from?
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darkjedilink posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

darkjedilink posted...

A US Army general cannot make civilian policy.

But he is part of the government and he did promise things. Just because he tricked them or did it incorrectly/not the legal way, doesn't mean that the gov't didn't promise them reparations.

LJRENEGADE posted...

Not every white person has ancestors that were slave owners in America and not every black person has ancestors that were slaves in America, so that's one thing. Plus I think people deserve to be treated like individuals, not punished for the actions of their ancestors and especially not punished as a whole race because of what people of that race did. Racism sucks but if you personally have nothing to do with it, then its not right for you to suffer for it. I don't think that's fair to anyone.

Again, the people don't pay or suffer. Literally only the country/government does.

The people don't pay? Who the fuck do you think the government steals their money from?

for real! I'll let you do the honor of providing proof for the counter argument. I can't be bothered to school this guy.
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My ancestors didn't do shit.
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You can't say that "white people owe black people reparations" and then change it to "the government owes black people reparations." The government takes money from anyone living in the country, regardless of race.
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