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Kazi1212 09/27/17 11:51:43 AM #1: |
80/80
Is that racist to say? Or is it only racist if it's implying something about the nature of black people or black culture? --- I don't know my gimmick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 09/27/17 11:52:49 AM #2: |
Depends on how you frame that statistic.
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FrisbeeDude 09/27/17 11:53:42 AM #3: |
Context is everyone, but history overwhelmingly has shown that when people bring it up, its usually as a deflection
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hockeybub89 09/27/17 11:54:06 AM #4: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Depends on how you frame that statistic. This. Facts aren't racist, but how you use them can be. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knutjob 09/27/17 11:54:14 AM #5: |
What do you mean by 'their nature'?
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Solar_Crimson 09/27/17 11:54:17 AM #6: |
Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues.
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Taxer 09/27/17 11:54:33 AM #7: |
Depends: are you using conviction rate to determine likelihood of occurrence? If you are, you can't extrapolate the statement that they're more likely to commit crime.
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Guide 09/27/17 11:55:29 AM #8: |
The intent here isn't racist, but the wording can be misleading. There's a difference between a higher percentage of black people committing crimes, and black people, in general, being more likely to commit crimes.
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Kazi1212 09/27/17 11:55:29 AM #9: |
knutjob posted...
What do you mean by 'their nature'? Solar_Crimson posted... Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. That's what I mean, like it's inherent to them --- I don't know my gimmick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Terra-enforcer 09/27/17 11:59:38 AM #11: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Depends on how you frame that statistic. This --- Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-3032-7898-9500 http://psnprofiles.com/Terraforce777 http://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Rayquaza487 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NINExATExSEVEN 09/27/17 12:05:34 PM #12: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. And that matters why? A crime is a crime. You don't get off Scott free just because of economic issues. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... Dubstep song of the week http://youtu.be/MmVHWPdI5d0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoreRpgs 09/27/17 12:06:31 PM #13: |
Not racist.
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Guide 09/27/17 12:08:56 PM #14: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. This is true. This also has nothing to do with what the guy is saying. --- [ s p e e d b o o s t ] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kazi1212 09/27/17 12:09:22 PM #15: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. It matters so we don't think all black people are inherently prone to crime, but rather it's circumstance that's the determining factor. Or at least that's what they tell me --- I don't know my gimmick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blastia 09/27/17 12:09:34 PM #16: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. OK...? No one said otherwise.... --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem boy 09/27/17 12:09:49 PM #17: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Who said that? Or even implied that? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/27/17 12:10:43 PM #18: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. It doesn't matter. The destitute are just more likely to become criminals. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NINExATExSEVEN 09/27/17 12:22:49 PM #19: |
emblem boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Well my point was that black crime statistics are almost always brought up when BLM for example blames cops and/or whites for their problems. Then people counter argue by saying "Hey maybe it might have something to do with these statistics". --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... Dubstep song of the week http://youtu.be/MmVHWPdI5d0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Esrac 09/27/17 12:30:07 PM #20: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Is that really true though? Or are they just more likely to commit different kinds of crime? I mean, being wealthy hasn't stopped people from committing various sorts of fraud, tax evasion, etc. Regardless, yes, black people are more likely to commit crime. But not necessarily because they're black. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/27/17 12:32:22 PM #21: |
Esrac posted...
Or are they just more likely to commit different kinds of crime? That, probably. Violent and property crime, usually. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 09/27/17 12:32:39 PM #22: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Bingo. --- I cannot believe it! http://i.imgur.com/QiEb7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kavatar 09/27/17 12:32:57 PM #23: |
It's racist depending on your intent in saying it. But I'd say if you're just throwing out that statement with no follow up, your intent is probably racist.
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Tyranoreal 09/27/17 12:34:39 PM #24: |
Low income is also positively correlated with crime. Black people also make up a larger percent of the poor than they should.
Hence why the "fact" can be racist as it neglects that there are other possible reasons to why they might me more likely to commit crime --- Patriots fan since Feb-5-2017 http://i.imgur.com/7Dlzg4f.png http://i.imgur.com/zIq5UIe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NBRZ6VM.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NINExATExSEVEN 09/27/17 12:34:53 PM #25: |
Esrac posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...NINExATExSEVEN posted...Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". Race has nothing to do with crime. It all comes down to culture and your surrounding communities. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... Dubstep song of the week http://youtu.be/MmVHWPdI5d0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 09/27/17 12:37:13 PM #26: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Not all criminal acts are related to socioeconomics. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veggeta X 09/27/17 12:39:04 PM #27: |
Like everything, it's all on context and how you're relaying it tactfully. This goes along with people who think being blunt honest is the only way to socialize and because it is honest it can't be wrong.
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Tyranoreal 09/27/17 12:39:36 PM #28: |
Capn Circus posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Not all criminal acts are related to race either, yet for some reason black people are disproportionately arrested too --- Patriots fan since Feb-5-2017 http://i.imgur.com/7Dlzg4f.png http://i.imgur.com/zIq5UIe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NBRZ6VM.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 09/27/17 12:43:30 PM #29: |
Tyranoreal posted...
Capn Circus posted...Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. There's various explanations for that. But I agree, I just wanted to throw that out there. Some crimes have nothing to do with being poor --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oshawottownage 09/27/17 12:48:16 PM #30: |
Capn Circus posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. True. Some are related to mental illness, culture etc. --- I am definitely not an alt. Official oshawott of the 3DS board ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 09/27/17 12:50:10 PM #31: |
The quote is wrong anyway. They're not more likely to commit crimes, they're more likely to be convicted. Cops patrol black neighbourhoods, find black people committing crimes, arrest them, and use that as justification to keep patrolling black neighbourhoods. Meanwhile I literally haven't seen a cop car on my street a single time in my entire life. I could smoke all the marijuanas ever and they wouldn't be there to arrest me, while black people who smoke all the marijuanas ever get arrested for it.
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Anteaterking 09/27/17 12:51:32 PM #32: |
I think stating the topic title as is is false.
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NINExATExSEVEN 09/27/17 12:56:00 PM #33: |
Darklit_Minuet posted...
The quote is wrong anyway. They're not more likely to commit crimes, they're more likely to be convicted. Cops patrol black neighbourhoods, find black people committing crimes, arrest them, and use that as justification to keep patrolling black neighbourhoods. Meanwhile I literally haven't seen a cop car on my street a single time in my entire life. I could smoke all the marijuanas ever and they wouldn't be there to arrest me, while black people who smoke all the marijuanas ever get arrested for it. Do you live in a good community? Because if you never see cops there then that means there is virtually no crime there and thus there's no reason to call the police. --- Listen to my story... This... May be our last chance... Dubstep song of the week http://youtu.be/MmVHWPdI5d0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 09/27/17 12:56:54 PM #34: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". A lot of people on gamefaqs believe that but can't say it. --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 09/27/17 12:58:39 PM #35: |
Webmaster4531 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". And JonTron did say it, and folks were jumping to his defense. No they weren't his exact words, but he did say that the richest black commits more crime than the poorest white. --- I cannot believe it! http://i.imgur.com/QiEb7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 09/27/17 1:00:39 PM #36: |
l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...NINExATExSEVEN posted...I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". Yeah, what Jontron said is pretty fucked up. --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darklit_Minuet 09/27/17 4:58:42 PM #38: |
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...The quote is wrong anyway. They're not more likely to commit crimes, they're more likely to be convicted. Cops patrol black neighbourhoods, find black people committing crimes, arrest them, and use that as justification to keep patrolling black neighbourhoods. Meanwhile I literally haven't seen a cop car on my street a single time in my entire life. I could smoke all the marijuanas ever and they wouldn't be there to arrest me, while black people who smoke all the marijuanas ever get arrested for it. I have seen people smoking the marijuanas a few times and nobody comes to arrest them and ruin their life because of it ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/27/17 5:04:24 PM #39: |
I want to see what admiral has to say.
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Webmaster4531 09/27/17 5:07:20 PM #40: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I want to see what admiral has to say. Webmaster4531 posted... NINExATExSEVEN posted...I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fam_Fam 09/27/17 5:08:20 PM #41: |
Webmaster4531 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...I want to see what admiral has to say. yes, some people DO believe that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Near_ 09/27/17 5:08:51 PM #42: |
Tyranoreal posted...
Low income is also positively correlated with crime. Black people also make up a larger percent of the poor than they should. Exactly, and people often ignore the fact that most wealth is inherited. What does that mean for black people? Black people were property for 200 years, and second-class citizens for 100 after that. Most wealth is inherited and white people got a 300-year head start. That's not to say that there aren't low-income white people who came to America well after slavery, but if they came before the 1960s, the law literally put you above black people. And the effects of systemic racism is still felt today. So it shouldn't be shocking to anyone that black people are disproportionately low income which leads to more crime. But all redhats will say is "stop whining about slavery" and "civil rights" because it was such a long time ago and doesn't have to do with anything so that they can keep denying white privilege and not understand why a confederate statute isn't a fucking slap to the face to black people. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 09/27/17 5:10:18 PM #43: |
Solar_Crimson posted...
Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Most people who bring up socioeconomic factors do so in an attempt to blame white people for the fact that black people are more violent. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 09/27/17 5:11:21 PM #45: |
darkjedilink posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. You blame liberals for your divorce. Leave your glass house before casting stones. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Webmaster4531 09/27/17 5:12:43 PM #46: |
darkjedilink posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Webmaster4531 posted... NINExATExSEVEN posted...I don't think the argument has ever been "black people commit more crime because they're black". --- Ad Hominem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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qyll3 09/27/17 5:13:34 PM #47: |
_Near_ posted...
Tyranoreal posted...Low income is also positively correlated with crime. Black people also make up a larger percent of the poor than they should. Asian also immigrated to the US and mostly arrived with very little wealth but already had the highest median income of any ethnicity in 1988 (first available year of data for Asians). Wouldn't this contradict your assessment? --- No sig here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 09/27/17 5:15:41 PM #48: |
darkjedilink posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...Most people who say that are trying to frame it as something inherent to Black people, and not due to socioeconomic issues. Or more accurately, that the way people in power have treated blacks in this country for several centuries is a huge factor in regards to the status of that community to date. To believe it has had little to no effect takes some Simone Biles level mental gymnastics. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Near_ 09/27/17 5:16:50 PM #49: |
qyll3 posted...
Weren't kept as slaves (to the same extent. almost incomparable). Weren't discriminated as badly as black people. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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qyll3 09/27/17 5:20:56 PM #50: |
_Near_ posted...
qyll3 posted... Is the last part true? From what I've read, Asian immigrants faced massive amounts of discrimination comparable to blacks up through the 1960s. --- No sig here ... Copied to Clipboard!
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