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The Admiral
09/19/17 4:06:10 PM
#151:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I think the italicized part is important. If conditions in the bible belt of the US were as they are in syria, would you not expect christians in that area to behave the same way islamic terrorists do?


Christians live in third-world countries across the globe, have similar numbers to Muslims, and aren't showing up on that graph for acting this way. The Bible belt is a trivially small portion of global Christians.


that doesn't answer his nor question address the part I put emphasis on the italics.

I specifically asked for you to elaborate. if that link is what that was intended to be, you still haven't done your job.


You asked me to elaborate on how they're not equivalent in terms of violence. I gave you a link showing that one group is committing violence at ten times the rate of all others combined. Thus, they are not equivalent in terms of violence.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 4:33:19 PM
#152:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
The Admiral posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I think the italicized part is important. If conditions in the bible belt of the US were as they are in syria, would you not expect christians in that area to behave the same way islamic terrorists do?


Christians live in third-world countries across the globe, have similar numbers to Muslims, and aren't showing up on that graph for acting this way. The Bible belt is a trivially small portion of global Christians.


that doesn't answer his nor question address the part I put emphasis on the italics.

I specifically asked for you to elaborate. if that link is what that was intended to be, you still haven't done your job.


You asked me to elaborate on how they're not equivalent in terms of violence. I gave you a link showing that one group is committing violence at ten times the rate of all others combined. Thus, they are not equivalent in terms of violence.


do you agree that because they're both violent in the same manner, that they should be demonized the same as well?
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The Admiral
09/19/17 5:02:04 PM
#153:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
do you agree that because they're both violent in the same manner, that they should be demonized the same as well?


I'm not sure what's confusing to you. If one extremist group's actions are significantly more frequent than another's, there is no discussion of "same manner." They're not equivalent.

I agree that violence should definitely be demonized when it occurs regardless of who's doing it, but I also believe in working big to small and prioritizing the cause of tens of thousands of deaths before the one causing hundreds of deaths. That seems like the logical thing for anyone to be doing.
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mario2000
09/19/17 5:14:52 PM
#154:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
do you agree that because they're both violent in the same manner, that they should be demonized the same as well?


I'm not sure what's confusing to you. If one extremist group's actions are significantly more frequent than another's, there is no discussion of "same manner." They're not equivalent.

I agree that violence should definitely be demonized when it occurs regardless of who's doing it, but I also believe in working big to small and prioritizing the cause of tens of thousands of deaths before the one causing hundreds of deaths. That seems like the logical thing for anyone to be doing.

so what are you personally doing to stop islamic extremism?
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 5:18:50 PM
#155:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
do you agree that because they're both violent in the same manner, that they should be demonized the same as well?


I'm not sure what's confusing to you. If one extremist group's actions are significantly more frequent than another's, there is no discussion of "same manner." They're not equivalent.

I agree that violence should definitely be demonized when it occurs regardless of who's doing it, but I also believe in working big to small and prioritizing the cause of tens of thousands of deaths before the one causing hundreds of deaths. That seems like the logical thing for anyone to be doing.


I'm just trying to get some solid statements from you to see if you actually stand for basic principles, or if your principles change based on the group in question.

so you're saying that despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?

is this limited to religion or does it expand to other groups often caught in identity politics as well?

I'm hoping for some consistency.
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The Admiral
09/19/17 6:27:55 PM
#156:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I'm just trying to get some solid statements from you to see if you actually stand for basic principles, or if your principles change based on the group in question.


My principle is that I'm going to prioritize my energy towards an issue that's responsible for killing tens of thousands of people over one killing hundreds of people. What is so complicated about this concept that you're struggling this hard?
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 6:33:20 PM
#157:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I'm just trying to get some solid statements from you to see if you actually stand for basic principles, or if your principles change based on the group in question.


My principle is that I'm going to prioritize my energy towards an issue that's responsible for killing tens of thousands of people over one killing hundreds of people. What is so complicated about this concept that you're struggling this hard?


what specifically are you doing to spend your energy other than demonizing one group over the other? I believe someone else asked you that, too. unanswered.

despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?

is this limited to religion or does it expand to other groups often caught in identity politics as well?

I'm hoping for some consistency.
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The Admiral
09/19/17 6:38:17 PM
#158:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?


This statement is incorrect, and the numbers bear it out. I don't really care to get into the tit-for-tat finding of violent verses in the Bible versus the Quran, I care about how the members of each group are actually interpreting that text in their daily lives. One is interpreting that as a violent ideology at a far, far greater rate than the other, so it's perfectly accurate to say they're not equivalent.

The fact that you think the scope of the violence is somehow irrelevant to how the ideology should be judged is asinine.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 6:42:22 PM
#159:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?


This statement is incorrect, and the numbers bear it out. I don't really care to get into the tit-for-tat finding of violent verses in the Bible versus the Quran, I care about how the members of each group are actually interpreting that text in their daily lives. One is interpreting that a violent ideology at a far, far greater rate than the other, so it's perfectly accurate to say they're not equivalent.

The fact that you think the scope of the violence is somehow irrelevant to how the ideology should be judged is asinine.


you're doing your best to play dumb because you clearly see the point I'm building up to. but these questions still need to be answered within the context I actually put them in. try again.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 6:42:47 PM
#160:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I'm just trying to get some solid statements from you to see if you actually stand for basic principles, or if your principles change based on the group in question.


My principle is that I'm going to prioritize my energy towards an issue that's responsible for killing tens of thousands of people over one killing hundreds of people. What is so complicated about this concept that you're struggling this hard?


what specifically are you doing to spend your energy other than demonizing one group over the other? I believe someone else asked you that, too. unanswered.

despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?

is this limited to religion or does it expand to other groups often caught in identity politics as well?

I'm hoping for some consistency.

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The Admiral
09/19/17 6:47:35 PM
#161:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?


This statement is incorrect, and the numbers bear it out. I don't really care to get into the tit-for-tat finding of violent verses in the Bible versus the Quran, I care about how the members of each group are actually interpreting that text in their daily lives. One is interpreting that a violent ideology at a far, far greater rate than the other, so it's perfectly accurate to say they're not equivalent.

The fact that you think the scope of the violence is somehow irrelevant to how the ideology should be judged is asinine.


you're doing your best to play dumb because you clearly see the point I'm building up to. but these questions still need to be answered within the context I actually put them in. try again.


Why don't you tell me your point and why you don't think a difference of tens of thousands of deaths should be an important factor in relative judgment. I'm all ears, Ricky.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 6:54:29 PM
#162:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
despite these groups being the same as far as violent idealogy, you believe that one should be prioritized higher on the demonization list than the other based on numbers?


This statement is incorrect, and the numbers bear it out. I don't really care to get into the tit-for-tat finding of violent verses in the Bible versus the Quran, I care about how the members of each group are actually interpreting that text in their daily lives. One is interpreting that a violent ideology at a far, far greater rate than the other, so it's perfectly accurate to say they're not equivalent.

The fact that you think the scope of the violence is somehow irrelevant to how the ideology should be judged is asinine.


you're doing your best to play dumb because you clearly see the point I'm building up to. but these questions still need to be answered within the context I actually put them in. try again.


Why don't you tell me your point and why you don't think a difference of tens of thousands of deaths should be an important factor in relative judgment. I'm all ears, Ricky.


my point is that you've got an overt bias that you couldn't hide if you tried. you misconstrue questions and statements, you avoid answering the actual questions asked, you cherry pick what is and isn't relevant with no rational reason, create criteria under your own authority, etc...

my point? you're completely disingenuous, and you should never be taken seriously.
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The Admiral
09/19/17 7:00:28 PM
#163:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
my point is that you've got an overt bias that you couldn't hide if you tried.


Yes, I am biased against oppressive ideologies and religious-based violence on a large scale. I'm happy to admit that.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...
my point? you're completely disingenuous, and you should never be taken seriously.


This coming from the guy who has dodged this question five times now:

Why don't you tell me why you don't think a difference of tens of thousands of deaths should be an important factor in relative judgment.


And we all know why you're not saying a damn thing, despite this being the most relevant point in this entire topic. The lengths that you are going to to justify a false equivalency in this topic are astounding.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/19/17 7:16:32 PM
#164:


that was a question based on a straw man statement that never came from me, therefore not relevant. if it weren't meant to be a baseless accusation, maybe you can ask again properly.

context? context!?

C/D:

Admiral believes violent idealogies should have their moral alignment be judged by numbers rather than by ideals practiced.

C/D: if the first is C, Admiral also believes all demographicss involved in social politics should be judged by the same standards?
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LinkAndEpona
09/19/17 7:30:13 PM
#165:


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Ammonitida
09/19/17 9:57:46 PM
#167:


DarkPink posted...
Capn Circus posted...
It's always amusing to see "bigot" and "racist" get tossed around on users' perceived whiteness, but when faced with a minority Trump supporter or Islam story poster, they need to change their song and dance routine.


when the main bashers of islam are like admiral, gavirulax and unplesant milk, all very likely white people with no experience with islam at all besides what they see in the news people will call them out on it.


Gavirulax was raised as a Muslim. So much for your stereotype.
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Tezlok
09/19/17 9:58:54 PM
#168:


Ammonitida posted...
DarkPink posted...
Capn Circus posted...
It's always amusing to see "bigot" and "racist" get tossed around on users' perceived whiteness, but when faced with a minority Trump supporter or Islam story poster, they need to change their song and dance routine.


when the main bashers of islam are like admiral, gavirulax and unplesant milk, all very likely white people with no experience with islam at all besides what they see in the news people will call them out on it.


Gavirulax was raised as a Muslim. So much for your stereotype.

yep. alot of people still seem not know that he was raised Muslim. they always yell at him when he talks bad about the religion, not knowing he has a right to
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thanosibe
09/20/17 12:36:30 AM
#169:


Ammonitida posted...
DarkPink posted...
Capn Circus posted...
It's always amusing to see "bigot" and "racist" get tossed around on users' perceived whiteness, but when faced with a minority Trump supporter or Islam story poster, they need to change their song and dance routine.


when the main bashers of islam are like admiral, gavirulax and unplesant milk, all very likely white people with no experience with islam at all besides what they see in the news people will call them out on it.


Gavirulax was raised as a Muslim. So much for your stereotype.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/20/17 2:11:21 AM
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SerperiorThanU posted...
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fair enough. actually he does look a little middle eastern.

Gavi is literally a gay middle eastern former muslim. He knows more about its effects than likely anyone else in this topic.


a gay Muslim? I'd probably be angry, too.

but hopefully people don't use him for validation of their own Muslim beefs the way Fox did Stacey Dash for Black people period, lol
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DarkPink
09/20/17 2:45:58 AM
#172:


SerperiorThanU posted...
DarkPink posted...

fair enough. actually he does look a little middle eastern.

Gavi is literally a gay middle eastern former muslim. He knows more about its effects than likely anyone else in this topic.


he also is kinda psychopathic and is very likely to be locked up for forcing those below him to kiss his ass as evident in the other topic. i admit i didnt know he was a former muslim but come on people hes not exactly credible when it comes to things he doesnt like.

although now i can understand why some of the far right trolls on this board get behind gavi when he talks shit about islam similar to how they do the same thing when it comes to someone like Ayyan hirsi ali.
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iron jojo
09/20/17 3:23:44 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Oh, it was about Islam? Even fairer, nexter then.

Lmao what a clown
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unpleasant_milk
09/20/17 3:28:18 AM
#175:


ThePrinceFish posted...
mario2000 posted...
https://www.glamour.com/story/teenage-muslim-girl-beaten-to-death-virginia

Not sure how Muslim girl beaten to death by illegal immigrant equates to Muslim beaten to death in school by Christian peers


You know how much they love the 'ol false equivalency' argument.

Islamist terrorism claims fresh victims every day

Some Christian raised nutjob kills several people the other month.

B-but all religion is equally bad, stop shitting on Islam.

Happens quite a lot on here.

Admiral posted the stats for this previously which highlight the common denominator with terror attacks. I suggest more people - who are in denial about this, take note.

https://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=Islam+&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search
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DarkPink
09/20/17 3:31:03 AM
#176:


SerperiorThanU posted...
Why would he be locked up? He doesn't do anything illegal. He offers them hundreds-thousands of dollars and they voluntarily do it. He doesn't force anyone to do anything. And besides some illegal stuff that could get him modded he's very forthcoming about his life. Hell, you can ask for his facebook if you wanted to or skype to get a closer real life interaction and he'll gladly oblige. Unlike most people here he has no need to hide behind a screen name for anonymity.


i guess you werent following his recent court drama then, but i would be interested in taking a peek at his facebook, if only to see if he ever really acts like a decent human being. also because just because hes so open about his life doesnt mean hes automatically a good person.
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DrizztLink
09/20/17 3:31:38 AM
#177:


Ammonitida posted...
DarkPink posted...
Capn Circus posted...
It's always amusing to see "bigot" and "racist" get tossed around on users' perceived whiteness, but when faced with a minority Trump supporter or Islam story poster, they need to change their song and dance routine.


when the main bashers of islam are like admiral, gavirulax and unplesant milk, all very likely white people with no experience with islam at all besides what they see in the news people will call them out on it.


Gavirulax was raised as a Muslim. So much for your stereotype.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/20/17 12:51:38 PM
#179:


Tezlok posted...
Ammonitida posted...
DarkPink posted...
Capn Circus posted...
It's always amusing to see "bigot" and "racist" get tossed around on users' perceived whiteness, but when faced with a minority Trump supporter or Islam story poster, they need to change their song and dance routine.


when the main bashers of islam are like admiral, gavirulax and unplesant milk, all very likely white people with no experience with islam at all besides what they see in the news people will call them out on it.


Gavirulax was raised as a Muslim. So much for your stereotype.

yep. alot of people still seem not know that he was raised Muslim. they always yell at him when he talks bad about the religion, not knowing he has a right to


I was technically raised as a christian, so I will be sure to cite this parallel anytime anyone here gives me shit for bashing christianity
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OpheliaAdenade
09/20/17 12:52:39 PM
#180:


Gavi is in prison right now. :u He shouldn't be used as a positive example for anything.
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Vindris_SNH
09/20/17 12:55:34 PM
#181:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
for a common cause of disbanding organized religion permanently.


Sure, religion has caused some pretty stupid stuff to happen in the world. But it has also motivated people to do a lot of great things for humanity.

Evil people will always find an excuse to be evil. Removing religion won't make the world a better place.


I don't believe in evil. I think the concept is an amalgamation that's too convenient.


Evil, as in hateful, destructive, corrupt, etc.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/20/17 12:58:29 PM
#182:


Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
for a common cause of disbanding organized religion permanently.


Sure, religion has caused some pretty stupid stuff to happen in the world. But it has also motivated people to do a lot of great things for humanity.

Evil people will always find an excuse to be evil. Removing religion won't make the world a better place.


I don't believe in evil. I think the concept is an amalgamation that's too convenient.


Evil, as in hateful, destructive, corrupt, etc.


I prefer the term inherently negative. It dissociates from nonsense ideas like the devil or demons or other myths.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/20/17 12:58:44 PM
#183:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Gavi is in prison right now. :u He shouldn't be used as a positive example for anything.


lol
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Nepsy
09/20/17 12:58:56 PM
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Libruls and SJWs swarm r/exmuslim for downvote brigading and that's just so fucking awful and despicable but what we expect from those intolerant types.
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Vindris_SNH
09/20/17 12:59:41 PM
#185:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
for a common cause of disbanding organized religion permanently.


Sure, religion has caused some pretty stupid stuff to happen in the world. But it has also motivated people to do a lot of great things for humanity.

Evil people will always find an excuse to be evil. Removing religion won't make the world a better place.


I don't believe in evil. I think the concept is an amalgamation that's too convenient.


Evil, as in hateful, destructive, corrupt, etc.


I prefer the term inherently negative. It dissociates from nonsense ideas like the devil or demons or other myths.


You can use whatever term you want. My original point still stands.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/20/17 1:07:28 PM
#186:


Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
for a common cause of disbanding organized religion permanently.


Sure, religion has caused some pretty stupid stuff to happen in the world. But it has also motivated people to do a lot of great things for humanity.

Evil people will always find an excuse to be evil. Removing religion won't make the world a better place.


I don't believe in evil. I think the concept is an amalgamation that's too convenient.


Evil, as in hateful, destructive, corrupt, etc.


I prefer the term inherently negative. It dissociates from nonsense ideas like the devil or demons or other myths.


You can use whatever term you want. My original point still stands.


I mean yeah, people will still find excuses to be bullshit. That's human nature. Eliminating religion would add an element of transparency to people who otherwise would be hiding their bullshit behind a facade of self-righteousness. It wouldn't solve all problems but it would be an overall net gain.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/20/17 1:54:08 PM
#187:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
for a common cause of disbanding organized religion permanently.


Sure, religion has caused some pretty stupid stuff to happen in the world. But it has also motivated people to do a lot of great things for humanity.

Evil people will always find an excuse to be evil. Removing religion won't make the world a better place.


I don't believe in evil. I think the concept is an amalgamation that's too convenient.


Evil, as in hateful, destructive, corrupt, etc.


I prefer the term inherently negative. It dissociates from nonsense ideas like the devil or demons or other myths.


You can use whatever term you want. My original point still stands.


I mean yeah, people will still find excuses to be bullshit. That's human nature. Eliminating religion would add an element of transparency to people who otherwise would be hiding their bullshit behind a facade of self-righteousness. It wouldn't solve all problems but it would be an overall net gain.


these situations are pretty amusing to me because the people who attack Islam are usually Christians who like to ignore their OWN bias, and start trying to split hairs to justify their bigotry when confronted.

then when you point out how the pot is calling the kettle black, they often start trying to create their own arbitrary criteria to justify attacking one but not their own, use straw man arguments, and whatever other tactics that dishonest people use.

whether you're Christian or Muslim, the fundamentalist are detrimental to society and should both be shunned together. the divisive rhetoric from these blind tribal folk is regressive at best. shitty people are shitty people regardless of what idealogy they're hiding behind and country they live in.

I wouldn't call Brock Turner a slightly better person than Bill Cosby just because one has a higher body count. they're both fucking rapist who should be thrown under the jail. one had more power to have his way, but they both operated within their own power. both are rapist.
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Lathissamus
09/20/17 1:56:48 PM
#188:


unpleasant_milk posted...
Mustn't talk negatively about Islam now. That's not allowed..

(Although arguably warranted)


Is this the forum for that?
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The Admiral
09/20/17 2:38:35 PM
#189:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I wouldn't call Brock Turner a slightly better person than Bill Cosby just because one has a higher body count


I'm really trying to understand the way your mind works here, Ricky. Just for clarity, you believe a man who murders a single person is equivalent to a serial killer who murders 20 people simply because they both committed murder? Is that correct? You don't think it's fair to judge one of those people as being worse than the other?
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/20/17 3:43:18 PM
#190:


The Admiral posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
I wouldn't call Brock Turner a slightly better person than Bill Cosby just because one has a higher body count


I'm really trying to understand the way your mind works here, Ricky. Just for clarity, you believe a man who murders a single person is equivalent to a serial killer who murders 20 people simply because they both committed murder? Is that correct? You don't think it's fair to judge one of those people as being worse than the other?


if they've got murderous beliefs and have actually acted on them, they should both be shunned equally.

you understand me perfectly which is why you keep playing dumb. I keep using words like judge, demonize, shunned, etc... and for some reason you keep glossing over that context. that's always been my point and you never want to acknowledge it.

I choose the words I use on purpose. emphasize on them or don't bother replying.
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Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story!
Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!!
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