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Omega Hunter
09/18/17 2:05:12 PM
#51:


The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Who cares if he is a criminal.


1. He will. Knocking that man unconscious will result in a felony charge, which may entail jail and will make this thug's dismal employment options even more limited.

2. Society will, since we need to spend money on legal and criminal justice resources for this thug, in addition to welfare benefits when he can't get a job after his prison release.

3. His family will. If this guy has a wife and kids, you better hope they share your morals when they learn daddy will going away for a while and will have diminished career prospects to afford things they might need in life.

But at least he hit a non-violent Nazi!!!


Now say all of that to the black man arrested in the 60s because he refused to give up his seat on the bus. It would all apply just the same. And just like the Nazi puncher we should commend them for the sacrifice.
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:05:32 PM
#52:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
By the way Addy, who don't you stop pulling punches and using thug when we all know you want to drop the N word


You punch a man in the face and knock him out when he isn't threatening you, you're a thug. If you think that's a racial thing, might want to work on your inner racist instincts.
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:05:33 PM
#53:


Bishop9800 posted...
No you wasn't. A mod even told you, that you was making racist statements. But hey, keep denying that

mods aren't gods. they made the same mistake you did. just cause you think I said something racist doesn't mean I did. I know my own brain and my own heart. I don't hate people based on their race.
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:06:35 PM
#54:


DrizztLink posted...
Tezlok posted...
DrizztLink posted...
Tezlok posted...
DrizztLink posted...
Oh hey I'm still perfectly alright with punching someone who espouses an ideology that would like to see me dead.

thye want to see me dead too. but they still have free speech

https://xkcd.com/1357/

that comic doesn't mention punching people.

sorry but I do not want to live in a chaotic society where laws are thrown out the window and everyone is attacking each other in the streets.

hello slippery slope my name is drizztlink

the one thing I'm talking about is physical violence. you failed to bring up a retort to that, and instead just mentioned a bunch of other crap. we are talking about if people should be allowed to sucker punch people they disagree with
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:06:51 PM
#55:


Omega Hunter posted...
Now say all of that to the black man arrested in the 60s because he refused to give up his seat on the bus.


It's unsurprising that you can't defend this without making fallacious analogies to the Civil Rights movement.
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jayj420
09/18/17 2:06:51 PM
#56:


DrizztLink posted...
Oh hey I'm still perfectly alright with punching someone who espouses an ideology that would like to see me dead.

It's like the wars in the Middle East. I wonder if the ones defending the Nazi are hunky-dory with that. A little intellectually dishonest if they are.

Yeah it's like if you are going to stand by an ideology that demonizes me and tries to target me aggressively just for being a minority, I say to hell with you.

It's time to stop being nice when you encounter people like that, who seek the power to kill you with.
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Omega Hunter
09/18/17 2:07:21 PM
#57:


FantomPayne posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
In our society the check and balance on the law is a jury, in a moral society no jury would convict someone of assaulting a Nazi.


The job of a jury is to be impartial not to be a moral compass.


Go put a woman on trial for murder after she kills a husband who has abused her for 20 years, good luck getting that conviction.
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Fin_Dawg_004
09/18/17 2:07:28 PM
#58:


satisfying post, will watch again.
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ReignFury
09/18/17 2:07:34 PM
#59:


Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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That_Happened
09/18/17 2:08:05 PM
#61:


Tezlok posted...
the one thing I'm talking about is physical violence. you failed to bring up a retort to that, and instead just mentioned a bunch of other crap. we are talking about if people should be allowed to sucker punch people they disagree with


No. It's not about "people who disagree with me." If someone got punched for thinking it was wrong to raise taxes, or to allow gay marriage, then we'd all be siding with the man who was assaulted. But if people want to assault someone who flat out says their belief is "you should be killed," then no sympathy should be given to that person.

Quit trying to make it about simple disagreement.
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Bishop9800
09/18/17 2:08:15 PM
#62:


Tezlok posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
No you wasn't. A mod even told you, that you was making racist statements. But hey, keep denying that

mods aren't gods. they made the same mistake you did. just cause you think I said something racist doesn't mean I did. I know my own brain and my own heart. I don't hate people based on their race.


You made a racist topic. Plain and simple. Now you want to say, we all took it the wrong way. Whatever you want to tell yourself
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:09:13 PM
#63:


That_Happened posted...
Tezlok posted...
the one thing I'm talking about is physical violence. you failed to bring up a retort to that, and instead just mentioned a bunch of other crap. we are talking about if people should be allowed to sucker punch people they disagree with


No. It's not about "people who disagree with me." If someone got punched for thinking it was wrong to raise taxes, or to allow gay marriage, then we'd all be siding with the man who was assaulted. But if people want to assault someone who flat out says their belief is "you should be killed," then no sympathy should be given to that person.

Quit trying to make it about simple disagreement.

no because they have the right to say it without being attacked. only if they do something about it, can you attack them. in america it is illegal to punch someone cause of words
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jayj420
09/18/17 2:09:22 PM
#64:


BLAKUboy posted...
You know what I don't get? We send an entire generation to shoot Nazis, and we call them the Greatest Generation. And now suddenly it's not okay to punch Nazis?

You can thank Donald Trump for that one.
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DrizztLink
09/18/17 2:09:24 PM
#65:


Tezlok posted...
DrizztLink posted...
Tezlok posted...
DrizztLink posted...
Tezlok posted...
DrizztLink posted...
Oh hey I'm still perfectly alright with punching someone who espouses an ideology that would like to see me dead.

thye want to see me dead too. but they still have free speech

https://xkcd.com/1357/

that comic doesn't mention punching people.

sorry but I do not want to live in a chaotic society where laws are thrown out the window and everyone is attacking each other in the streets.

hello slippery slope my name is drizztlink

the one thing I'm talking about is physical violence. you failed to bring up a retort to that, and instead just mentioned a bunch of other crap. we are talking about if people should be allowed to sucker punch people they disagree with

If they're literally a Nazi? Sure.

If they're literally a terrorist? Sure.

We've actually gone to war over these things. Pretty sure taking a punch is a lighter punishment than having a Tomahawk missile destroy your entire apartment building.
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thelovefist
09/18/17 2:10:00 PM
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Ok serious question - Why do people think that saying hitting this person is wrong means that you're defending Nazism?
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:10:12 PM
#67:


Bishop9800 posted...
You made a racist topic. Plain and simple. Now you want to say, we all took it the wrong way. Whatever you want to tell yourself

I didn't. whatever you want to tell yourself though. look, your a stranger. I shouldn't care what you think. I know myself. I am not a racist. you can believe it or not. I'm never going to stop saying it because it's true.
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:10:43 PM
#68:


thelovefist posted...
Ok serious question - Why do people think that saying hitting this person is wrong means that you're defending Nazism?


That sounds better than saying they support criminality and unprovoked violence.
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jayj420
09/18/17 2:11:22 PM
#69:


That_Happened posted...
Tezlok posted...
the one thing I'm talking about is physical violence. you failed to bring up a retort to that, and instead just mentioned a bunch of other crap. we are talking about if people should be allowed to sucker punch people they disagree with


No. It's not about "people who disagree with me." If someone got punched for thinking it was wrong to raise taxes, or to allow gay marriage, then we'd all be siding with the man who was assaulted. But if people want to assault someone who flat out says their belief is "you should be killed," then no sympathy should be given to that person.

Quit trying to make it about simple disagreement.

Exactly. If you threaten people's existence, a sucker punch is getting off easy.
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Bishop9800
09/18/17 2:11:45 PM
#70:


Tezlok posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
You made a racist topic. Plain and simple. Now you want to say, we all took it the wrong way. Whatever you want to tell yourself

I didn't. whatever you want to tell yourself though. look, your a stranger. I shouldn't care what you think. I know myself. I am not a racist. you can believe it or not. I'm never going to stop saying it because it's true.



But the mods say you made a racist statement. So who am I going to believe. Them or you?
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Fin_Dawg_004
09/18/17 2:12:19 PM
#71:


in that video there were fine people on both sides
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Taharqa_
09/18/17 2:13:14 PM
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Man that guy was put to sleep.
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DrizztLink
09/18/17 2:13:17 PM
#73:


The Admiral posted...
unprovoked violence

I know you just like Jews because you get to bone a bunch of Jewish girls on J-date or whatever, but you don't really understand what its like to see people marching around flying insignias that literally mean "We want you and your family and everyone like you to burn."
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Looked gf
09/18/17 2:13:27 PM
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FantomPayne
09/18/17 2:13:34 PM
#75:


Omega Hunter posted...
Go put a woman on trial for murder after she kills a husband who has abused her for 20 years, good luck getting that conviction.


Now you are comparing punching Nazis to battered women. Pick a horse to ride on already and stop with the stupid analogies. You know damn well that there is a huge difference between the two.
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jayj420
09/18/17 2:13:43 PM
#76:


thelovefist posted...
Ok serious question - Why do people think that saying hitting this person is wrong means that you're defending Nazism?

Because in this case you are...

You are basically trying to imply that we should accept nazism.
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Forlorn_Ass
09/18/17 2:14:30 PM
#77:


One dude committed physical violence, the other guy did not. Therefor the Nazi is actually the better person than that POS.
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:14:50 PM
#78:


DrizztLink posted...
The Admiral posted...
unprovoked violence

I know you just like Jews because you get to bone a bunch of Jewish girls on J-date or whatever, but you don't really understand what its like to see people marching around flying insignias that literally mean "We want you and your family and everyone like you to burn."


It means there are shitty people in this world, which I already knew. As long as those disgusting thoughts and words remain thoughts and words, I don't especially care what those losers do. If it becomes more than words, by all means, use the necessary violence and the legal system to bring the hammer down on them. Until then, you're in the wrong for initiating violence over hurt feelings.
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Freddie_Mercury
09/18/17 2:14:58 PM
#79:


rare vid of sarm and admiral during a debate
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MikeArmstrong
09/18/17 2:15:23 PM
#80:


Freddie_Mercury posted...
rare vid of sarm and admiral during a debate

Oh shit!!
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Omega Hunter
09/18/17 2:15:30 PM
#81:


The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Now say all of that to the black man arrested in the 60s because he refused to give up his seat on the bus.


It's unsurprising that you can't defend this without making fallacious analogies to the Civil Rights movement.


There is nothing fallacious about it. These are two examples of people breaking the law to stand up for what they believe in and suffering the consequences. I call that a hero.

Funny part is how time changes everything in the 40s we were giving medals out to people punching nazis and killing them while putting people in jail for not abiding segregation laws. Today it's a ok for whites and blacks to mix but punching a Nazi will get you arrested.

My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be. Just like stealing food to feed your starving child makes you a decent parent and a criminal at the same time. Knocking out a Nazi makes you a criminal and a corageous defender of humanity.
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Blue_Inigo
09/18/17 2:15:59 PM
#82:


Lmao
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thelovefist
09/18/17 2:16:03 PM
#83:


jayj420 posted...
thelovefist posted...
Ok serious question - Why do people think that saying hitting this person is wrong means that you're defending Nazism?

Because in this case you are...

You are basically trying to imply that we should accept nazism.

Ok I don't know how to put it more plainly than this, but I will try since you seem to be in a fit of hysterical rage:

I emphatically denounce Nazism and find it to be amoral, evil and disgusting. I do not think it is right to punch someone in the face that has not attempted to attack you or your family.
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Solid Snake07
09/18/17 2:16:24 PM
#84:


That's fucked up
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:17:07 PM
#85:


thelovefist posted...
jayj420 posted...
thelovefist posted...
Ok serious question - Why do people think that saying hitting this person is wrong means that you're defending Nazism?

Because in this case you are...

You are basically trying to imply that we should accept nazism.

Ok I don't know how to put it more plainly than this, but I will try since you seem to be in a fit of hysterical rage:

I emphatically denounce Nazism and find it to be amoral, evil and disgusting. I do not think it is right to punch someone in the face that has not attempted to attack you or your family.

this won't work. they will still argue with you. they like to ignore certain things you say and pretend they didn't see it so they can keep calling you evil
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ledbowman
09/18/17 2:17:08 PM
#86:


No it's fine *oblivion*
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:17:29 PM
#87:


Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

I'll give you the chance to explain how this assault is moral on it's own, if I'm misstating your position.
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Fin_Dawg_004
09/18/17 2:17:36 PM
#88:


"No it's fine.."

*ko*
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That_Happened
09/18/17 2:17:53 PM
#89:


Tezlok posted...
in america it is illegal to punch someone cause of words

Again, no. Incitement is a very real crime. You cannot incite other people to violence.
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lww99
09/18/17 2:19:14 PM
#91:


Mal_Fet posted...
"If you don't support violence against nonviolent people, you MUST support their ideology."

TC supports homophobia, antisemitism, and sexism since he said in theast topic that he doesn't support violence against Muslims.


Aren't your arms tired, from all that reaching?
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MikeArmstrong
09/18/17 2:19:20 PM
#92:


ledbowman posted...
No it's fine *oblivion*

The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

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Vindris_SNH
09/18/17 2:20:56 PM
#93:


Omega Hunter posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
Nazis are scum, but this kind of behavior isn't going to solve the bigger issue. In fact, it will only make it worse.


Not everything needs to solve the bigger issue. It's a good thing to give a sandwich to a homeless man even if it doesn't solve poverty. It's a good thing to knockout a nazi even if it doesn't end Naziism.


You missed the part where I said "it will make it worse"
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Blue_Inigo
09/18/17 2:20:57 PM
#94:


MikeArmstrong posted...
ledbowman posted...
No it's fine *oblivion*

The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

I'll give you the chance to explain how this assault is moral on it's own, if I'm misstating your position.

>Nazis
>non violent

Pick one
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Omega Hunter
09/18/17 2:21:03 PM
#95:


The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

I'll give you the chance to explain how this assault is moral on it's own, if I'm misstating your position.


We disagree on the starting point I don't see how anyone wearing a literal Nazi armband can be called non violent. I can address your further points if we can get past this hang up.
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MikeArmstrong
09/18/17 2:22:21 PM
#96:


Blue_Inigo posted...
MikeArmstrong posted...
ledbowman posted...
No it's fine *oblivion*

The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

I'll give you the chance to explain how this assault is moral on it's own, if I'm misstating your position.

>Nazis
>non violent

Pick one

You missed the joke
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Tezlok
09/18/17 2:23:01 PM
#97:


Omega Hunter posted...
We disagree on the starting point I don't see how anyone wearing a literal Nazi armband can be called non violent.

the difference is that I think that no matter what someone says with their mouth, until they actually act on it, they are not violent
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Fin_Dawg_004
09/18/17 2:23:34 PM
#98:


They deserve the welfare!

No it's fine.

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emblem boy
09/18/17 2:24:13 PM
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My issue with stories like these is that what does him punching that guy accomplish?

People who are against Nazis 100% are still going to be against Nazis. People who are not, are still not going to be against it. Those in the middle(wrongly in the middle by the way. There is no middle ground for the idealogy) will just end up feeling a little bit of sympathy for them.

While those in the middle are not good, the point is, you want as many on your side as possible.

There just is no end result in punching a Nazi.
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SaikyoStyle
09/18/17 2:24:18 PM
#100:


Raise your hand if seeing a Nazi get punched in the face made you want to become one.
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The Admiral
09/18/17 2:24:32 PM
#101:


Omega Hunter posted...
The Admiral posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
My point to you is the law is not a compass for morality, never has been and never will be.


That's fine, but you have yet to make an argument for how assaulting a non-violent person is moral. You keep arguing by analogy, which is a fallacy.

I'll give you the chance to explain how this assault is moral on it's own, if I'm misstating your position.


We disagree on the starting point I don't see how anyone wearing a literal Nazi armband can be called non violent. I can address your further points if we can get past this hang up.


If you don't understand what basic words like "violence" means, there probably isn't much of a discussion to be had on any level. However, if you have a respected source that defines "violence" in a different way than the legal system and the dictionary, you're welcome to share that.
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