Current Events > Vegetarians/vegans - what should be done about animals that overbreed?

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I don't mean this topic in an antagonistic way, first of all. Genuine question.

Take for instance Kangaroos. This is a species that is more like vermin than anything else. In the past 10 years the population has gone from 7 million to 50 million.

What solution do you see other than eating them to control their populations? Because this is the kind of overbreeding that devastates ecosystems and agriculture.
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pinky topic.
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Have them fixed then sent back into the wild.

Repopulate more predators like dingos who hunt them to let it naturally take course.

Inject them with animal birth control. It lasts up to 2 years and works!

Your question is more for vegans though. A vegan life style is to prevent animal cruelty in the human world. A vegetarian just eats fruits, vegetables, and sometimes will even consume dairy products or fish. Their reasoning is to transition to a vegan life choice, they don't like meat, or for health reasons.
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Have them fixed then sent back into the wild.

Repopulate more predators like dingos who hunt them to let it naturally take course.

Inject them with animal birth control. It lasts up to 2 years and works!

Your question is more for vegans though. A vegan life style is to prevent animal cruelty in the human world. A vegetarian just eats fruits, vegetables, and sometimes will even consume dairy products or fish. Their reasoning is to transition to a vegan life choice, they don't like meat, or for health reasons.

That all just seems like a very expensive and redundant way to achieve exactly the same thing, i.e. the slow death of kangaroos. I get its an option, but I don't see how it's a better or even more ethical option for roos to die by dingo rather than gunshot.
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pinky0926 posted...

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Have them fixed then sent back into the wild.

Repopulate more predators like dingos who hunt them to let it naturally take course.

Inject them with animal birth control. It lasts up to 2 years and works!

Your question is more for vegans though. A vegan life style is to prevent animal cruelty in the human world. A vegetarian just eats fruits, vegetables, and sometimes will even consume dairy products or fish. Their reasoning is to transition to a vegan life choice, they don't like meat, or for health reasons.

That all just seems like a very expensive and redundant way to achieve exactly the same thing, i.e. the slow death of kangaroos. I get its an option, but I don't see how it's a better or even more ethical option for roos to die by dingo rather than gunshot.

Then your question can't be answered. You were given solutions.
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Your "solutions" are a FAR more expensive option for a much simpler/cheaper solution.

Where exactly are they supposed to get the money to achieve this? Just print it? Raise taxes? what?
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Dingos are an introduced species that will also overpopulate

They built a GIANT fence across the whole of the outback to keep them from moving further south

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_Fence
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I don't actually know how vegans feel about these sorts of issues. On the one hand, they probably don't like any sort of killing animals, but on the other hand, humans usually had a role in messing up the ecosystem to begin with.
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They're definitely a part of the feelings over facts crowd and don't understand the ecosystem. Hell, there are meat eaters that don't even support hunting. People r dum
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I'm a vegetarian and I have no issue with hunting so long as it is done in a regulated, controlled, and ecologically-friendly manner. Especially when the licenses to hunt animals typically help fund other ecological conservation programs.
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Gheb posted...

I'm a vegetarian and I have no issue with hunting so long as it is done in a regulated, controlled, and ecologically-friendly manner. Especially when the licenses to hunt animals typically help fund other ecological conservation programs.

Coolio. Shame more people aren't as thoughtful on it.
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pinky0926 posted...

What solution do you see other than eating them to control their populations? Because this is the kind of overbreeding that devastates ecosystems and agriculture.

Do you mean hunting and killing them in the same manner that deer hunting is? Do vegetarians generally have an issue with deer hunting?
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Dustin1280 posted...

Your "solutions" are a FAR more expensive option for a much simpler/cheaper solution.

Where exactly are they supposed to get the money to achieve this? Just print it? Raise taxes? what?

@--Zero-

It takes time and that's simply the solutions to that issue without the need to kill.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Your "solutions" are a FAR more expensive option for a much simpler/cheaper solution.

Where exactly are they supposed to get the money to achieve this? Just print it? Raise taxes? what?

@--Zero-

It takes time and that's simply the solutions to that issue without the need to kill.

No every single suggestion you recommended costs money...
Not a single one of those only takes time.

All of those are FAR more expensive then the obvious solution, in fact the obvious solution would likely INCREASE cash flow as a whole.

Come up with something just as cheap as allowing hunting and get back to me, or front the money for your "solutions" yourself.
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Dustin1280 posted...

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Dustin1280 posted...

Your "solutions" are a FAR more expensive option for a much simpler/cheaper solution.

Where exactly are they supposed to get the money to achieve this? Just print it? Raise taxes? what?

@--Zero-

It takes time and that's simply the solutions to that issue without the need to kill.

No every single suggestion you recommended costs money...
Not a single one of those only takes time.

All of those are FAR more expensive then the obvious solution, in fact the obvious solution would likely INCREASE cash flow as a whole.

Come up with something just as cheap as allowing hunting and get back to me, or front the money for your "solutions" yourself.

Neither of us know how much it would cost, but the point of Veganism is to eliminate the murder and cruelty of animals. Those solutions will take time and money, but that's as far as my knowledge goes for solving the over population issue.
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As soon as vegans can figure out a way to do that won't likely cost an excess amount of money, I will get behind them.
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Death by Dingo, getting your throat ripped out and slowly bleed to death or/and having your entrails and nether regions being eaten while still alive.

Vs

Bullet to the brain and instant death.

I know which I would choose.
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Dustin1280 posted...

As soon as vegans can figure out a way to do that won't likely cost an excess amount of money, I will get behind them.

It shouldn't take any measures to convince anyone that murder is wrong.
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Dustin1280 posted...

As soon as vegans can figure out a way to do that won't likely cost an excess amount of money, I will get behind them.

It shouldn't take any measures to convince anyone that murder is wrong.

To be clear, murder is when you unlawfully kill a human being. Killing an animal so that you can eat it, use the flesh as a tool and protect the environment all lawfully is not murder.
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Forced sterilization. Whichever species are over-breeding or causing problems for other species should be dealt with the most harshly. If this method doesn't work then they should simply be exterminated.
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pinky0926 posted...

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Dustin1280 posted...

As soon as vegans can figure out a way to do that won't likely cost an excess amount of money, I will get behind them.

It shouldn't take any measures to convince anyone that murder is wrong.

To be clear, murder is when you unlawfully kill a human being. Killing an animal so that you can eat it, use the flesh as a tool and protect the environment all lawfully is not murder.

Sometimes the law is wrong.
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Sometimes the law is wrong.

Sure, but that means it's not (by definition) murder. You're arguing that it;s the wrongful killing of an animal, which is the distinction I was making.

Although I still don't see how sterilising a population and allowing dingos to inflict wanton mutilation is more humane or even possible to any degree.
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emblem boy posted...

pinky0926 posted...

What solution do you see other than eating them to control their populations? Because this is the kind of overbreeding that devastates ecosystems and agriculture.

Do you mean hunting and killing them in the same manner that deer hunting is? Do vegetarians generally have an issue with deer hunting?

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emblem boy posted...

emblem boy posted...

pinky0926 posted...

What solution do you see other than eating them to control their populations? Because this is the kind of overbreeding that devastates ecosystems and agriculture.

Do you mean hunting and killing them in the same manner that deer hunting is? Do vegetarians generally have an issue with deer hunting?

Yes, basically. I don't know what vegetarians think about deer hunting. I would guess they generally have a poor opinion of sport hunters though.
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pinky0926 posted...

emblem boy posted...

emblem boy posted...

pinky0926 posted...

What solution do you see other than eating them to control their populations? Because this is the kind of overbreeding that devastates ecosystems and agriculture.

Do you mean hunting and killing them in the same manner that deer hunting is? Do vegetarians generally have an issue with deer hunting?

Yes, basically. I don't know what vegetarians think about deer hunting. I would guess they generally have a poor opinion of sport hunters though.

I only ask because I'd think the answer to the deer hunting is the same as the answer for kangaroos.
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Sunhawk posted...

pinky topic.

Upset that a pinky topic has far more substance than your own?
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