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Veggeta X
09/07/17 10:32:44 AM
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"Everyone agrees with my opinion so you are wrong".
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Mikablu
09/07/17 10:33:01 AM
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No.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 10:34:52 AM
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Mikablu posted...
No.

Why?
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Terryville
09/07/17 10:59:27 AM
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Do you think this is a valid rebuttal?

"Well, everyone else is wrong, because they don't know what I know!"
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Nazanir
09/07/17 11:04:45 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Mikablu posted...
No.

Why?

Opinion =/= fact. A group of people, believing the same thing, can be wrong.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 11:09:45 AM
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So then why do people use this so much then? Is it some form of validation to say the majority agrees with you then?
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I Like Toast
09/07/17 11:11:57 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Mikablu posted...
No.

Why?

Everyone agrees
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ReignFury
09/07/17 11:13:10 AM
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Aka peer review
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krazychao5
09/07/17 11:14:21 AM
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That's like saying "we've always done it this way, so it's the best way"

But if everyone believes something, you'll be more likely to believe it too even if it is obviously untrue.

Mind Games did a segment on it.
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Dragonblade01
09/07/17 11:27:49 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
"Everyone agrees with my opinion so you are wrong".

Premise: Everyone agrees with my opinion.
Conclusion: You're wrong.

I don't see how it can be valid when the premise doesn't actually lead to the conclusion.
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Seneca_Wallace_
09/07/17 11:34:15 AM
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because it's human nature to want validation for your opinions and to be a complete dickbag to the minority of people who have opposing opinions
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LittleRoyal
09/07/17 11:35:25 AM
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Lol!! No it's called a shared dilusion, or just one person having an unpopular opinion.


No children use that argument because their minds are too young to comprehend the complexities of this world~
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 11:38:11 AM
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Who posted
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LittleRoyal
09/07/17 11:45:00 AM
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It was me
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 11:58:39 AM
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Stop posting in my topics
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I Like Toast
09/07/17 12:07:33 PM
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Don't like it? Don't read it
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lilORANG
09/07/17 12:07:59 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Veggeta X posted...
"Everyone agrees with my opinion so you are wrong".

Premise: Everyone agrees with my opinion.
Conclusion: You're wrong.

I don't see how it can be valid when the premise doesn't actually lead to the conclusion.

this lol. It immediately defeats itself.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 12:10:00 PM
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Why do you guys think so many people use this argument as means to end the argument in their favor?
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Solid Sonic
09/07/17 12:10:28 PM
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Terryville posted...
Do you think this is a valid rebuttal?

"Well, everyone else is wrong, because they don't know what I know!"

That works in court.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 12:10:50 PM
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@Bok_Choi
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 12:11:02 PM
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WTF What happened to bok?
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Mikablu
09/07/17 12:15:00 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Why do you guys think so many people use this argument as means to end the argument in their favor?

Because they're stupid.
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PMarth2002
09/07/17 12:24:44 PM
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That's a logical fallacy, argument ad populum.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 12:27:09 PM
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PMarth2002 posted...
That's a logical fallacy, argument ad populum.

AHA I knew there was a term for it. Can't wait to use it against bok because he tries this shit 24/7.
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Terryville
09/07/17 1:59:51 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
Terryville posted...
Do you think this is a valid rebuttal?

"Well, everyone else is wrong, because they don't know what I know!"

That works in court.

Yeah, if it's expanded on. Literally, just saying that seems incomplete to me.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/07/17 2:01:07 PM
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Nazanir posted...
Veggeta X posted...
Mikablu posted...
No.

Why?

Opinion =/= fact. A group of people, believing the same thing, can be wrong.


Religion is an excellent example of this.
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ThyCorndog
09/07/17 2:01:45 PM
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popularity doesn't make something a fact. there's nothing to debate
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 2:10:22 PM
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But they are more right if more people agrees with them than not right?
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Mikablu
09/07/17 3:10:05 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
But they are more right if more people agrees with them than not right?

There are no varying degrees of "rightness". Either something is true or it is false. Doesn't matter how many people think something is true; if it is not true, then it IS NOT TRUE.
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Veggeta X
09/07/17 3:11:06 PM
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Mikablu posted...
There are no varying degrees of "rightness".

Yes there are. Majority rules.
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ReignFury
09/07/17 4:03:36 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Mikablu posted...
There are no varying degrees of "rightness".

Yes there are. Majority rules.


Its relative, there was a time when the majority scientists believed the earth was flat and the center of the universe. The peer review process of scientific method and research gives us our best understanding of "rightness".

Opinions however can be subjective and not necessarily based on knowledge or facts.
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